Oscar on returning next year

Cowtown Cat

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You're reading past the discussion point like everyone else. It's disingenuous to suggest he should run from playing for Cal after the difference in his play between the two college coaches he's had.
Meh, he was unhappy at WVU and extremely happy at UK. I think Cal had very little to do with it. Oscar got a positive change of scenery and took advantage. Simple as that.
 
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Lempface

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Meh, he was unhappy at WVU and extremely happy at UK. I think Cal had very little to do with it. Oscar got a positive change of scenery and took advantage. Simple as that.
That's trivializing it to suit a narrative. The only thing we can actually see is the performance difference. Whatever the components were that led to his ascendance happened under Cal's watch, so why would he want to run from that, it just doesn't make sense unless you're a pissed off fan who is just angry and being irrational.
 

LmdCat

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You're reading past the discussion point like everyone else. It's disingenuous to suggest he should run from playing for Cal after the difference in his play between the two college coaches he's had.
You can't be certain that Cal had anything to do with that. If he is so great with developing players, why does he have so little to show for it.
 

RunninRichie

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That's trivializing it to suit a narrative. The only thing we can actually see is the performance difference. Whatever the components were that led to his ascendance happened under Cal's watch, so why would he want to run from that, it just doesn't make sense unless you're a pissed off fan who is just angry and being irrational.
is cal a great developer or do his players play better when introduced to a proper NBA offense with spacing?
 
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Lempface

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You can't be certain that Cal had anything to do with that. If he is so great with developing players, why does he have so little to show for it.
You're obviously right, there is no difference in his performance here vs WKU, it coulda literally been anything. Probably was the cooking at the lodge more than anything.

There's probably some good Star Wars quote about not letting hate cloud your judgement or something.
 

Vismund

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Yeah, Cal didn't suddenly make Oscar the fire bellied rebounder and post player he is today. There's a reason Huggy ran his mouth after Oscar left and it's because he knew what he just lost.

Usually when guys leave without 1st round guarantees it annoys me. Not this time, Cal doesn't deserve him.
 
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CHAMPCAT11

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I'm upset but I'm being reasonable. Cal rejuvenated Oscar's career and helped him become a NPOY when he was treading water at WVU so it's a bit disingenuous to suggest he should run from playing for Cal, whether you want Cal here or not is irrelevant to that point. Look past the anger and use some sense.

Not buying this AT ALL. Oscar’s wanted to play for Kentucky for years. Any team would have welcomed him. Oscar did the hard work and he deserves all the credit. Cal just did what any coach would have done if Oscar wanted to play at their school. Cal is an arrogant washed up smartass. The best thing that could happen to UK basketball would be for Cal to go away. He’s the polar opposite of Oscar.
 
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UKUGA

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Oscar is a huge part of the reason I even paid attention to Kentucky basketball this season.

If he and Sharpe are gone, and Cal remains, I doubt that I will turn them on next year until the tournament.
 

Vismund

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That is an illogical statement.
He wasn’t even a starter last year at WVU and now is NPOY.

Do you see the logical fallacy of your statement? Maybe he was underutilized playing for a coach who threw him under the bus the moment he left?
 

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I couldn't tell who asked it during the press conference ... BUT STUPID QUESTION FOR THE MOMENT.

What do you expect him to say.

I hope he returns, but that wasn't the time to ask it.
 

jessieshorts8

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NPOY proves that he has no more reasons for college and is as good as he will ever be.He has to shoot for the NBA and I don't blame him.I love the guy and he will go down as one of my favorite players ever,
 
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Shaudylo

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I couldn't tell who asked it during the press conference ... BUT STUPID QUESTION FOR THE MOMENT.

What do you expect him to say.

I hope he returns, but that wasn't the time to ask it.
Well a few have said they would return only not to return .
 

LmdCat

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You're obviously right, there is no difference in his performance here vs WKU, it coulda literally been anything. Probably was the cooking at the lodge more than anything.

There's probably some good Star Wars quote about not letting hate cloud your judgement or something.
Don't let ignorance cloud your judgement. You remind me of Washington Commander fans who think the next season is going to be the year even though Washington hasn't won much of anything since 1992/93. If we only managed to win one title when Cal was getting the nation's best recruits, why do you think he can win one when we are lucky to get one top 10 recruit? There is no reason for Kentucky fans to think the next season is going to be the season for Kentucky as long as Cal is here.
 

blackcat714

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Oscar is a huge part of the reason I even paid attention to Kentucky basketball this season.

If he and Sharpe are gone, and Cal remains, I doubt that I will turn them on next year until the tournament.
Agree with you Cow has worn me down been a fan for 50 years and he’s made it were i dont much care for it anymore.
 
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Lempface

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Don't let ignorance cloud your judgement. You remind me of Washington Commander fans who think the next season is going to be the year even though Washington hasn't won much of anything since 1992/93. If we only managed to win one title when Cal was getting the nation's best recruits, why do you think he can win one when we are lucky to get one top 10 recruit? There is no reason for Kentucky fans to think the next season is going to be the season for Kentucky as long as Cal is here.
This comment chain was in regard to if Oscar should run from playing for Cal. It has nothing to do with what I thought of Cal or if he should stay.
 

Cowtown Cat

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That's trivializing it to suit a narrative. The only thing we can actually see is the performance difference. Whatever the components were that led to his ascendance happened under Cal's watch, so why would he want to run from that, it just doesn't make sense unless you're a pissed off fan who is just angry and being irrational.
If his goal is to win a national title, he’ll not do that here, under Cal. Cal will never win another title here. It just will not happen. Mark this post.
 

Lempface

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If his goal is to win a national title, he’ll not do that here, under Cal. Cal will never win another title here. It just will not happen. Mark this post.
That may or may not be true but I think Oscar's goal is to make enough money for his family. NIL and another big year may be what helps him with that goal. I certainly don't think Oscar would tell you he regrets playing for Cal.
 

LmdCat

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is cal a great developer or do his players play better when introduced to a proper NBA offense with spacing?
Who has Cal developed at UK? Please don't say Oscar. The only thing that Cal did was give Oscar a chance because he had no choice. He was the only player that Cal had who was physically able to play down low. So, it was a no brainer to play Oscar. If Oscar comes back, it will simply give opposing defenses time to figure out an effective way to lessen his effectiveness which will only cost him NBA dollars.
 
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Cowtown Cat

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That may or may not be true but I think Oscar's goal is to make enough money for his family. NIL and another big year may be what helps him with that goal. I certainly don't think Oscar would tell you he regrets playing for Cal.
I’m sure he doesn’t. Cal gets CONSISTENTLY out coached. He absolutely **** the bed tonight. After a 3 year tournament absence, UK gets a big, fat first round exit by a 15 seed! He had the NPOY! Unreal.
 
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Shaudylo

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Who has Cal developed at UK? Please don't say Oscar. The only thing that Cal did was give Oscar a chance because he no choice. He was the only player that Cal had who was physically able to play down low. So, it was a no brainer to play Oscar. If Oscar comes back, it will simply give opposing defenses time to figure out an effective way to lessen his effectiveness which will only cost him NBA dollars.
Only one I can think of is maybe Jorts
 

LmdCat

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I’m sure he doesn’t. Cal gets CONSISTENTLY out coached. He absolutely **** the bed tonight. After a 3 year tournament absence, UK gets a big, fat first round exit by a 15 seed! He had the NPOY! Unreal.
This loss may cost Oscar the POY award.
 
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Cowtown Cat

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This loss may cost Oscar the POY award.
That’s what my wife and I were just discussing earlier. He’s her all time favorite player and one of mine as well. Would be a catastrophe if he does lose it. Especially after going for 30/16 tonight.
 

LmdCat

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That’s what my wife and I were just discussing earlier. He’s her all time favorite player and one of mine as well. Would be a catastrophe if he does lose it. Especially after going for 30/16 tonight.
This is the kind of stuff that works well with negative recruiting. This is one of the biggest embarrassments that UK has had to deal with in years. This is worse than not making it to the tournament. Why? If you don't make it to the tournament, you are out of sight and out of mind. Once the tournament is over, the focus is only on the champion. However, when you make it and lose in the opening round to a 15 seed, it is put on display for the entire world of sports to see. This will certainly be shown for all the wrong reason during the playing of "One Shining Moment". We will have to watch this for many years to come just like the last second shot by Duke.
 
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