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Ill take coaching over recruiting. When the wins come so will the recruiting. Hell iowa has beat us 7 times in a row now with worse recruiting.

Don't care about Iowa at all. They had the stars align this year and caught every lucky break possible and they are still going to lose 4 games. The best teams recruit and develop. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
 

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Don't care about Iowa at all. They had the stars align this year and caught every lucky break possible and they are still going to lose 4 games. The best teams recruit and develop. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
But you cant deny that great recruiting doesn't mean great teams. If you cant coach it doesnt matter if you have the #1 class every year. These days it just means you have a lot of money to give recruits.
 

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But you cant deny that great recruiting doesn't mean great teams. If you cant coach it doesnt matter if you have the #1 class every year. These days it just means you have a lot of money to give recruits.

It’s also pretty hard to consistently have a good team if you can’t recruit. The best teams recruit at the highest level. Having better players matters. Sure some teams underachieve in any given year, but year in year in and year out the teams at the top of the recruiting rankings are also at the top of the polls (Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma).

I’m just saying both matter. Saying recruiting doesn’t matter is very short sighted. And in our situation we need both. We can’t just develop like NW or Iowa and hope to sustain success and we will never be able to recruit at an incredibly high level like Ohio State.
 

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I feel this is a big overreaction of a loss.. we sucked in pash rush. And our rush defense wasn’t great. Throw in the fact not 1 of his recruits contributed.. is it really a loss we get upset about
 

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Insane mental gymnastics to think we are better off because 10-2 Nike money Oregon took one of our coaches, Nebraska isn’t worth squat from a football or place to live standpoint I imagine it’s a hard sell
Please refrain from using "our" when you're talking about the Huskers. Most of us realize that you're a Hawkeye troll.
 

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Coach T is a fantastic coach. Dawson will be a downgrade. Don’t mean to be pessimistic but Coach T is an outstanding coach. Anyone who doesn’t think that, Dan Lanning who has the best Defensive Line in college football as coordinator @ UGA just hired Coach T.

Just look at what he did with Daniels?

Damion was so out of shape and his stamina was a major problem when Coach T got here and look how many snaps he played last year.

Coach T wasn’t a great recruiter. I’ll give you that. But he will be missed. If Dawson is the replacement I’d expect a drop off just like we have at every spot he coaches. But he will get excuses just like always… Go ahead and start the “not Dawson fault, we lost Ben and Damion”.
 

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Coach T is a fantastic coach. Dawson will be a downgrade. Don’t mean to be pessimistic but Coach T is an outstanding coach. Anyone who doesn’t think that, Dan Lanning who has the best Defensive Line in college football as coordinator @ UGA just hired Coach T.

Just look at what he did with Daniels?

Damion was so out of shape and his stamina was a major problem when Coach T got here and look how many snaps he played last year.

Coach T wasn’t a great recruiter. I’ll give you that. But he will be missed. If Dawson is the replacement I’d expect a drop off just like we have at every spot he coaches. But he will get excuses just like always… Go ahead and start the “not Dawson fault, we lost Ben and Damion”.

You think the OLB had a drop off under Dawson this year? Can’t agree with that.

And yes the DL will probably take a step back, because they lose 3 Super Seniors who played a ton.
 
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I feel this is a big overreaction of a loss.. we sucked in pash rush. And our rush defense wasn’t great. Throw in the fact not 1 of his recruits contributed.. is it really a loss we get upset about

I like Coach T. But Coach Busch > Coach T, as a coach and a recruiter and it’s not particularly close.
 

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You think the OLB had a drop off under Dawson this year? Can’t agree with that.

And yes the DL will probably take a step back, because they lose 3 Super Seniors who played a ton.

Probably shouldn’t have said a drop off at OLB but

Special teams was obviously awful, Dawson was responsible for that **** show. True or false?

OLB - JoJo was obviously amazing but that was really Coach Chin.

Nelson and Tannor are solid but felt like the OLB were the least impactful unit on a very good defense last year. Not saying they were bad by any means. Tannor has improved but in no world is he close to an all conference type of player…

Really with Dawson, when you’ve seen such poor leadership that we saw on special teams last season under it is concerning and I lack faith in him. I don’t care if he’s teaching 7th grade algebra that big of a failure is trash.

But hey, he will have an excuse next year so we can cover his coaching up. Coach Chin won’t fire anyone and it will help him from feeling the heat from Dawson

And don’t be surprised if Nelson has a great year next year under new coaching
 
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Probably shouldn’t have said a drop off at OLB but

Special teams was obviously awful, Dawson was responsible for that **** show. True or false?

OLB - JoJo was obviously amazing but that was really Coach Chin.

Nelson and Tannor are solid but felt like the OLB were the least impactful unit on a very good defense last year. Not saying they were bad by any means. Tannor has improved but in no world is he close to an all conference type of player…

Really with Dawson, when you’ve seen such poor leadership that we saw on special teams last season under it is concerning and I lack faith in him. I don’t care if he’s teaching 7th grade algebra that big of a failure is trash.

But hey, he will have an excuse next year so we can cover his coaching up. Coach Chin won’t fire anyone and it will help him from feeling the heat from Dawson

And don’t be surprised if Nelson has a great year next year under new coaching
Sorry, but lol…

It was always “Frost won’t fire anyone.” Now that has morphed to “Chin won’t fire anyone.”

Newsflash… if the product sucks again next year, AD Alberts will do all the firing.
 

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You think the OLB had a drop off under Dawson this year? Can’t agree with that.

And yes the DL will probably take a step back, because they lose 3 Super Seniors who played a ton.
Position Coaches often leave when they know they havent stocked the shelves enough to replace…..not surprised.
 

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I think you guys make too much of a big deal about coaches that no one has ever heard of. Like this Coach T guy, Whipple, Joseph, Dawson, etc. As if one of these guys is responsible for recruiting a certain player. Same goes for my Gophers...but we don't make such a big deal about the staff...I mean I couldn't even name most of them. It's mostly about Fleck. And Frost.
 

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I have zero reason to believe Bill Busch is even 1% competent.

Maybe he used to be a hundred years ago, but today, right now, nothing separates him from the guy ringing the Salvation Army bell outside the local .05 & .10.

In fact, give me someone, anyone, who hasn’t come within a first-world nation’s worth of square mileage of any single pathetic excuse for a special teamer we possess.

If he’s gifted (and that’s exactly what it would be at this point) a full-time coordinator gig, I’ll expect more of the same.
 
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I think you guys make too much of a big deal about coaches that no one has ever heard of. Like this Coach T guy, Whipple, Joseph, Dawson, etc. As if one of these guys is responsible for recruiting a certain player. Same goes for my Gophers...but we don't make such a big deal about the staff...I mean I couldn't even name most of them. It's mostly about Fleck. And Frost.
Frankly, this kind of sounds like a child's view of how any organization operates - like the top man is the ONLY thing that matters - it would be like saying all a corporation needs is a big name CEO and it doesn't matter if all of his direct reports are total incompetents or all a film needs is a big name director and it doesn't matter if all of the subordinate positions (cinematographer, editor, sound man, music composer, set director, etc) are total amateurs. Obviously, this isn't true for a corporation or a movie, and it isn't true for a football team either.
 

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I have zero reason to believe Bill Busch is even 1% competent.

Maybe he used to be a hundred years ago, but today, right now, nothing separates him from the guy ringing the Salvation Army bell outside the local .05 & .10.

In fact, give me someone, anyone, who hasn’t come within a first-world nation’s worth of square mileage of any single pathetic excuse for a special teamer we possess.

If he’s gifted (and that’s exactly what it would be at this point) a full-time coordinator gig, I’ll expect more of the same.


Bill Busch is a great coach and recruiter. We should thank our lucky stars we have a chance to get him on staff.
 

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I think you guys make too much of a big deal about coaches that no one has ever heard of. Like this Coach T guy, Whipple, Joseph, Dawson, etc. As if one of these guys is responsible for recruiting a certain player. Same goes for my Gophers...but we don't make such a big deal about the staff...I mean I couldn't even name most of them. It's mostly about Fleck. And Frost.

Thanks for letting us know you don’t know anything about college football.
 
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Frankly, this kind of sounds like a child's view of how any organization operates - like the top man is the ONLY thing that matters - it would be like saying all a corporation needs is a big name CEO and it doesn't matter if all of his direct reports are total incompetents or all a film needs is a big name director and it doesn't matter if all of the subordinate positions (cinematographer, editor, sound man, music composer, set director, etc) are total amateurs. Obviously, this isn't true for a corporation or a movie, and it isn't true for a football team either.
He's a dipshit. Don't waste your time.
 

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Thanks for letting us know you don’t know anything about college football.
I said for recruiting. The head coach, the team, and the record is probably more important than the position coach. Case in point...Kedon Slovis choosing Pitt, even though they haven't even hired Whipple's replacement yet.
 
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When was the last time Nebraska was even in the top 15 for recruiting? See what they have is recruiting and coaching. If I have to take one over the other then Im taking coaching. Alabama and Georgia wouldnt be **** without great coaching. Riley had pretty damn good recruiting classes and what did ****** coaches do with good recruiting? Nothing....absolutely f'ing nothing. Again COACHING over RECRUITING.
 

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When was the last time Nebraska was even in the top 15 for recruiting? See what they have is recruiting and coaching. If I have to take one over the other then Im taking coaching. Alabama and Georgia wouldnt be **** without great coaching. Riley had pretty damn good recruiting classes and what did ****** coaches do with good recruiting? Nothing....absolutely f'ing nothing. Again COACHING over RECRUITING.
"its not about the X's and O's but it's all about the Jimmy's and Joe's!!".....Barry Switzer. While coaching is important, it is amazing how good coaches look when they have the best players:)
 

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"its not about the X's and O's but it's all about the Jimmy's and Joe's!!".....Barry Switzer. While coaching is important, it is amazing how good coaches look when they have the best players:)
Thats being a leader. When things go good its the team, when things go bad its the coaches.
 

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Hell look at Baylor. They have had the 29th, 35, 41st and 49th ranked classes (no particular order) and finished with lots of wins this year. Good coaches coaching up average players.
 

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Tell me again why I want this **** staff to stay long term?

I know T hasn’t been here the whole time but is it the 4-8, 5-7, 3-5, or 3-9 that I should jerk off to?

I understand that Frost somehow got another year and we can’t change that but I don’t have to be all rah rah about it. And, I don’t believe they’ll win more than 5-6 next year, with my early prediction being 4-5 wins because NW is unusually ******.

This is a message board, don’t get your panties in a wad when someone points out we suck.

But is there a need to take a ***** in every thread? We all realize the past sucked but there nothing wrong with having high hopes for the coming season based on the coaching changes made and the recruits and transfers coming in. It isn't like changing head coaches worked for us in the past? Not sure who we would have pulled in this year with all the coaching changes that have, are, and will be happening.
 

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Hell look at Baylor. They have had the 29th, 35, 41st and 49th ranked classes (no particular order) and finished with lots of wins this year. Good coaches coaching up average players.

You can always find some team that had a good year and didn’t recruit great. But they are they exception, not the rule. No one is consistently winning anything of substance without good recruiting.