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[cigaros]

At one point families were trying to transfer into Rochester, not that long ago. But I do understand your overall point.
I do think the SF should be across the board for schools, JMO.

They were lining up? All you have to do buy a home in Rochester School District. Median home listing is $305,000. There are currently 16 on the market. Average vacancy rate is 4.19%. Why didn't Mayson-Cook move to Rochester? Oh, because he wanted to be at ESL where he can get more college looks. Make sure you include all of the kids who go to ESL while you're lumping Wilmington, Byron, Lena, and Rochester together.

Cold it be, those families want their athletes in programs which will teach their sons how to be part of a team....you know, just like ESL does?

 

[cigaros]

Rochester has gotten their fair share of transfers from the Springfield area

Part of Rochester's school district includes outlying segments of Springfield built on the other side of I-55. The same is true for PLeasant pLains, Chatham, Williamsville, et al.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

They were lining up? All you have to do buy a home in Rochester School District. Median home listing is $305,000. There are currently 16 on the market. Average vacancy rate is 4.19%. Why didn't Mayson-Cook move to Rochester? Oh, because he wanted to be at ESL where he can get more college looks. Make sure you include all of the kids who go to ESL while you're lumping Wilmington, Byron, Lena, and Rochester together.

Cold it be, those families want their athletes in programs which will teach their sons how to be part of a team....you know, just like ESL does?

1. I never said "They were lining up?"
2. I never lumped Wilmington, Byron, Lena, and Rochester together. I specifically singled out Rochester.
3. I am sure kids have transferred out and attended ESL. I am not privy nor pay attention to those schools until playoffs.
4. Are you ok?

 

[4Afan]

So you're saying having a clean school, with good teachers, in a safe environment, with a supportive faulty and parent group, with a great work ethic,, and a great coacing staff should be punished.

That comment screams, "We don't have a JFL. We won't invest into a JFL. And we want equity, not equality."

That isn't all you have to say. You forgot about the part where you are envious of environments which encourage participation, dedication, exceeding expectations, and mentorship. Oh, and you neglected the part about how you want higher property taxes, parental commitment to school fundraising for special events, an expectation that the fans will travel across the state for even a game against a sub par opponent, dedication of the parents and athletes to 7 on 7's and training camps.

They were lining up? All you have to do buy a home in Rochester School District. Median home listing is $305,000. There are currently 16 on the market. Average vacancy rate is 4.19%. Why didn't Mayson-Cook move to Rochester? Oh, because he wanted to be at ESL where he can get more college looks. Make sure you include all of the kids who go to ESL while you're lumping Wilmington, Byron, Lena, and Rochester together.

Cold it be, those families want their athletes in programs which will teach their sons how to be part of a team....you know, just like ESL does?

Part of Rochester's school district includes outlying segments of Springfield built on the other side of I-55. The same is true for PLeasant pLains, Chatham, Williamsville, et al.

What does any of this have to due with being success factored up??? It seems pretty fair that if you make "X" amount of title games in "X" amount of years you have proven that you are ready for the next level and should be moved up, public or private. You're talking about all the reasons it's amazing to live in Rochester, ok great, what does that have to do with success factor? What people are talking about directly relates to success on the field, not all the nonsense you keep spouting off about.

Some have mentioned whether public schools work only with what "the bus dropped off" vs. knowingly accepting transfers. I don't care about any of that, what we're talking about is if a team is successful then they move up a class, period. end of story.

 

[jakob18]

That isn't all you have to say. You forgot about the part where you are envious of environments which encourage participation, dedication, exceeding expectations, and mentorship. Oh, and you neglected the part about how you want higher property taxes, parental commitment to school fundraising for special events, an expectation that the fans will travel across the state for even a game against a sub par opponent, dedication of the parents and athletes to 7 on 7's and training camps.

You clown we have a great program that my son is apart of. We won a state championship last year… same success factors should be applied to public as it is to private

 

[cigaros]

You clown we have a great program that my son is apart of. We won a state championship last year… same success factors should be applied to public as it is to private.

And we have 9 state titles while playing up all season long. Sit down, getting all hot and bothered because your feelings are hurt.

 

[cigaros]

What does any of this have to due with being success factored up??? It seems pretty fair that if you make "X" amount of title games in "X" amount of years you have proven that you are ready for the next level and should be moved up, public or private. You're talking about all the reasons it's amazing to live in Rochester, ok great, what does that have to do with success factor? What people are talking about directly relates to success on the field, not all the nonsense you keep spouting off about.

Some have mentioned whether public schools work only with what "the bus dropped off" vs. knowingly accepting transfers. I don't care about any of that, what we're talking about is if a team is successful then they move up a class, period. end of story.

Why are you so butthurt over public schools doing well? I can understand the turmoil surrounding the recruiting which does occur within the private school ranks. But it seems you're upset when your squad loses in 5A and when it loses in 4A. I didn't hear you demanding Morris be success factored in 2018 after their loss in the 2017 title game.

 

[cigaros]

1. I never said "They were lining up?"
2. I never lumped Wilmington, Byron, Lena, and Rochester together. I specifically singled out Rochester.
3. I am sure kids have transferred out and attended ESL. I am not privy nor pay attention to those schools until playoffs.
4. Are you ok?

You actually modified your post. But thank you for your cooperation.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

You actually modified your post. But thank you for your cooperation.

Nope….

 

[jakob18]

And we have 9 state titles while playing up all season long. Sit down, getting all hot and bothered because your feelings are hurt.

First off you’re an idiot that seems to have issues with lots of people on this message board and 2nd you don’t have diddly squat. You sit your *** on the sideline and cheer the team on fan boy. Now who is the team you follow playing UP against?

 

[4Afan]

Why are you so butthurt over public schools doing well? I can understand the turmoil surrounding the recruiting which does occur within the private school ranks. But it seems you're upset when your squad loses in 5A and when it loses in 4A. I didn't hear you demanding Morris be success factored in 2018 after their loss in the 2017 title game.

You sure are a predictable troll. I 1000% knew you would mention 2017.

How is me wanting all schools to be subjected to the success factor being butt hurt?

Well, when Morris made the title game in 2017 that was only the first year. Had they made it in 2016 and 2017 I would have been fine with them moving up to 5A in 2018.

Morris really isn't the school you want to use as an example here, their 3 titles are in 3 different classes and they've played in every class from 3A to 6A. They don't care what class they're in.

I love how you think a public school being success factored is a punishment, rather than seeing it as setting a higher goal and stepping up to the challenge of a new class.

You are so terrified of Rochester actually being challenged it's comical. I can feel you sweating at the thought of teams like Morris, Metamora, Montini, SHG, and Rochelle ending up in 4A this year.

 

[ODERTY1]

Nevermind

 

[atrain97]

Perhaps it’s time for a new proposal to vote on that addresses this and takes it out of their conferences hands.

“no conference can force a competing member into a specific classification or prevent them from moving up into whatever classification they would like .”

3 state titles and 2 runner ups in the past 5 years validates action.

It’s what is best for IHSA football.

Or just enact the success factor for public schools too.

 

[cigaros]

First off you’re an idiot that seems to have issues with lots of people on this message board and 2nd you don’t have diddly squat. You sit your *** on the sideline and cheer the team on fan boy. Now who is the team you follow playing UP against?

Issues? No, but it seems your football IQ is low, or at least emotionally based. And if youre friends with some of those individuals, well that's a reflection of you. Let's see, we're 4A. So every team in our conference with the exception of Normal U-High. Sit down jakkkob

 

[cigaros]

You sure are a predictable troll. I 1000% knew you would mention 2017.

How is me wanting all schools to be subjected to the success factor being butt hurt?

Well, when Morris made the title game in 2017 that was only the first year. Had they made it in 2016 and 2017 I would have been fine with them moving up to 5A in 2018.

Morris really isn't the school you want to use as an example here, their 3 titles are in 3 different classes and they've played in every class from 3A to 6A. They don't care what class they're in.

I love how you think a public school being success factored is a punishment, rather than seeing it as setting a higher goal and stepping up to the challenge of a new class.

You are so terrified of Rochester actually being challenged it's comical. I can feel you sweating at the thought of teams like Morris, Metamora, Montini, SHG, and Rochelle ending up in 4A this year.

Let's try not utilizing a logical fallacy. I merely made mention that you said nothing about success factoring the public schools the last time your program made it to the final. We've beaten 3 of the 5 you mentioned. We've never played the other two. But let's not project as you should be aware that Morris won as 3A and 4A in a 6 class system, which is equivalent to where they are now in an 8 class system. In 2005, you were in 6A due to your enrollment number which was 20% higher than it is today. You would make a lot more sense making an argument in support of a 1-32 pairing system across ALL classes. The prior point you are trying to make holds as much water as a sieve.

 

[4Afan]

Why would I have mentioned success factor in 2017? Like I said previously that was Morris' first title game appearance, not second consecutive, plus it wasn't really a hot topic back then.

2005 was not due to Morris' enrollment, they were in 6A because back then they used football enrollment. Actual enrollment was used if it happened to be higher than your football enrollment. So Morris' actual enrollment would have been considerably less than teams they were going against.

I've always been in favor of seeding 1-32 and have said so several times over the years. Ah yes, stating that all schools should he subject to the success factor holds as much water as a sieve. It's ok to admit you're scared of moving up.