Open the Lots!

CSCatFan1

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Hey Lou...would you mind reaching out to your contacts at NU? We need the lots opened before 2:15 on Saturday. 12:15 would be perfect. I’m hearing it’s going to be a problem with cars lining up on Ashland and Isabella starting early morning. It's a public safety thing. Please help.
Thanks.
 

DarthCat

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Tomorrow will be another example of why we cannot really ever get to the point where we have consistent sellouts with our current capacity. It’s simply that the infrastructure around Ryan Field does not support it. Nothing the program does wrong or anything like that that can really be ‘fixed’. But a single two lane street going through the heart of downtown Evanston to get to a stadium trying to fit in 47,000 just doesn’t work.

As we’ve talked about refurbishing Ryan Field, this to me is the biggest and least talked about reason to lower capacity to 35,000. More games would be sellouts and fan support would appear greater, yes. But it would be far far easier and less frustrating to get to and from the stadium.
 

ricko6543211

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Tomorrow will be another example of why we cannot really ever get to the point where we have consistent sellouts with our current capacity. It’s simply that the infrastructure around Ryan Field does not support it. Nothing the program does wrong or anything like that that can really be ‘fixed’. But a single two lane street going through the heart of downtown Evanston to get to a stadium trying to fit in 47,000 just doesn’t work.

As we’ve talked about refurbishing Ryan Field, this to me is the biggest and least talked about reason to lower capacity to 35,000. More games would be sellouts and fan support would appear greater, yes. But it would be far far easier and less frustrating to get to and from the stadium.
Bleh. I mean, have you been to any other B1G stadium? Or a Bears game?? It’s not like you just drive up and park at the front door. This is a very silly complaint.

If the “traffic” bothers you then get there early and hang out in the lot for a while. After the game you can have a postgame beer at your car to celebrate a Wildcat victory and let the traffic die down before you drive home.

This is a Big Ten football game. Traffic is a good thing. It means that people care. And that we are winning games.
 

Williesfan

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Traffic can’t be any different than it was for Michigan. To me it appeared there were more for Wisconsin. Traffic wasn’t near as bad as many of their fans started leaving early in the fourth.
 

loyolacat

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You dont want traffic go to a home U of I game.....Also many public transportation options.
 

scru

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Does anyone have any idea if they may actually open the lots earlier?
No, they won't. This was posted on NU Twitter account

 

docrugby1

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Tomorrow will be another example of why we cannot really ever get to the point where we have consistent sellouts with our current capacity. It’s simply that the infrastructure around Ryan Field does not support it. Nothing the program does wrong or anything like that that can really be ‘fixed’. But a single two lane street going through the heart of downtown Evanston to get to a stadium trying to fit in 47,000 just doesn’t work.

As we’ve talked about refurbishing Ryan Field, this to me is the biggest and least talked about reason to lower capacity to 35,000. More games would be sellouts and fan support would appear greater, yes. But it would be far far easier and less frustrating to get to and from the stadium.

How many stadiums have rail and subway service within a few blocks?
If it is inconvenient tailgating that is another question. NU could easily allow tailgating by permit on the lakefront and shuttle fans to the stadium. I would prefer that than a cow pasture like PSU
 

DarthCat

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Uh, yeah. Been to every Big Ten stadium, except Rutgers, multiple times. Maryland only once. Countless Bears games. And you’re comparing Ryan Field’s two one lane routes to the two four lane highways coming up to Soldier Field from the north and south with an exit that drops you off right at the stadium? And all that additional traffic capacity is only to get what, 14,000 more into Soldier Field than the capacity at Ryan?

At no other BT stadium is traffic into the stadium ONE LANE from only two directions for miles, and one of those directions going through a city downtown area filled with traffic that has nothing to do with the football game. It is INFINITELY easier to get to a Michigan game when they are getting 104,000 into the stadium than to get into Ryan Field for our typical 35k.

But don’t twist my point.

Of course there’s going to be traffic around a football game. But infrastructures have limits. The school actually did look at building a new stadium on the lake, instead of only the S-F facility, and it was the infrastructure that prevented that from being feasible.

People who are envisioning weekly sellouts of close to 50k are not considering the fallout that will happen simply because two one lane roads cannot support that kind of traffic to the field. God forbid there is ever an accident that completely blocks one of those routes for any significant time before a big game.

As for the El, that is great, for people who live south of the stadium and in the city. Those cow pastures you speak of, say what you will. But they do allow lots of cars to come in from lots of directions, and park in a lot of places.
 

Max_Power

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Bleh. I mean, have you been to any other B1G stadium? Or a Bears game?? It’s not like you just drive up and park at the front door. This is a very silly complaint.

If the “traffic” bothers you then get there early and hang out in the lot for a while. After the game you can have a postgame beer at your car to celebrate a Wildcat victory and let the traffic die down before you drive home.

This is a Big Ten football game. Traffic is a good thing. It means that people care. And that we are winning games.

I went to the Miami FSU game a few weeks back - omg traffic was insane. 10 times worse than anything at NU.
 

CatFan_Mike2

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Nobody really knows, so I made a joke. Eesh... lighten up, Francis.
My reply was with a smile and not negative in any way. I took your response just the way it was meant. These boards do not convey tone...thus the communication gap. I was just seeing if anyone had an idea.
 

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I don't get not opening the lots earlier than 4 hours before when a later start like tomorrow?? Would seem to relieve some of the back-up on Central, Green Bay, etc and encourage folks to come early. Was a west lot parking pass holder for a few years in the 90's (pre-renovation). Then got moved to the Evanston Hospital garage. That was it for us with season tix and parking pass. Now we just go on rare occasion.

This year 8 hours of tailgating at IU for MSU night game was a bit long, but 6 hours was perfect for Penn St a few wks ago. IU does a good job of opening lots early to ease the traffic back-up and satisfy the early arrivals. 37 into B-ton is almost done (4 years later).
 

ubercat

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They opened the lots six hours before kickoff for the OSU game five years ago. The premise being that the line waiting to get into the West Lot would extend West onto Isabella all thee a mess. way to Green Bay Road if they did the normal four hour opening. Apparently they think this won’t be a similar situation. I think it’ll be a mess.
 

KKAT

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Bleh. I mean, have you been to any other B1G stadium? Or a Bears game?? It’s not like you just drive up and park at the front door. This is a very silly complaint.

If the “traffic” bothers you then get there early and hang out in the lot for a while. After the game you can have a postgame beer at your car to celebrate a Wildcat victory and let the traffic die down before you drive home.

This is a Big Ten football game. Traffic is a good thing. It means that people care. And that we are winning games.

Or a certain baseball stadium 30 min south (right in the middle of a city neighborhood)? Holds 41K +
 

docrugby1

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Common sense would mandate opening the lots early to avoid traffic nightmare but I bet Evanston has some say in the decision and will always undermine what is best for NU
 

DarthCat

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Or a certain baseball stadium 30 min south (right in the middle of a city neighborhood)? Holds 41K +

Not even close to the same. And I presume you meant 30 minutes north. Lived next to Wrigley Field for years, while working in the far west suburbs. There are many, many different ways to approach Wrigley. Some creativity and you can scoot around considerable congestion caused by suburbanites unfamiliar with city streets. With Wrigley, you aren’t locked into one lane of traffic for several miles while people try to pull into one of just a few lots.

Add to this that of the 41k at Wrigley, an extremely large percentage of them walk to the game from the same or surrounding neighborhoods. There is not considerable foot traffic coming into Ryan tomorrow. Aside from those from Skokie or downtown Chicago coming in on the El, the vast majority of that 47k+ will be driving and coming down the same single lane street.
 

BobbCat14

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There are giant lines of cars/vans etc of tailgaters waiting to get into the West Lot already that already stretch down Isabella and that was as of an hour ago. I have to believe they’re equally as bad coming from Central.
 

CSCatFan1

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There are giant lines of cars/vans etc of tailgaters waiting to get into the West Lot already that already stretch down Isabella and that was as of an hour ago. I have to believe they’re equally as bad coming from Central.

Just terrible...makes no sense. Folks tailgating on sidewalks in front of people’s home. Why not open the lots and have them contained. Very short-sighting on NU’s part.
 

its_the_sauce

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How about placing some of the blame on the fans who show up 7 hours early even though it's clearly been conveyed that lots open 4 hours before game time.
 

DarthCat

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Anyone who experienced that last night and thinks this stadium and neighborhood can support 47k week in and week out is insane. It has NOTHING to do with when the lots open. One lane of traffic bringing in 90% of those fans simply isn’t feasible. That traffic is going through a city downtown and residential area where many of the impediments can’t be ‘managed’ by stadium processes because it is regular pedestrian and homeowner traffic of people just trying to go about their day. One person double parking for a minute to run into a store or let someone off on Central completely stops the flow of all stadium traffic, snarling it for miles back.

Yes, letting all that traffic come in and park over seven hours would ‘help’, but aside from the problems that would create in a number of areas, i.e., sanitation, drunkenness, etc., the problems last night were waaaaay worse than that. Let me ask. As I’ve said earlier, I’ve been to every Big Ten stadium with the exception of Rutgers. How many are built basically in a residential neighborhood? I honestly cannot recall. To the poster above who suggested Wrigley as an example, in that light he is right. But as I said, Wrigley gets huge parts of its game day attendance from people walking up who live nearby, there are many more traffic routes to the stadium, the El system supports fans coming from both the North and South, making it a far better contributor to the transportation issue, and it holds just shy of 20% fewer people trying to get in at capacity. And STILL Wrigley is criticized as being difficult to get to, a factor that is largely dismissed because the neighborhood that causes the problem is at the same time is a major part of Wrigley’s appeal. But it’s still an issue and a reason many avoid going there.

At the stadium itself, the problems were almost embarrassing. They locked the gates before the game because “there were too many people on the concourse”, locking out ticket holding fans en masse who had to wait until people cleared out to let more in.

Yes, bathroom lines and congestion on the concourse were intolerable. Lines are long at the end of the quarter or halftimesbery game, but they were out the door and down each concourse for the entire game.

Getting out from the parking was almost worse.

Listening to the ND fans grumble all around was enjoyable. I’ll say that. But one of the more tolerable ones was asking if we allowed more than capacity into the stadium last night to take advantage of the ticket sales, because he had never experienced anything like this in terms of traffic and congestion around and in the stadium.

I wholeheartedly believe that we must decrease the capacity of Ryan, not only to make it a more intimate and intense setting with more sellouts and less embarrassing areas of empty seats, but it needs to be retro fitted to be able to exist in the contrained city geography in which it sits.

The answer is NOT show up earlier and stay later and drink more. If that’s the only way to manage going to Ryan Field, excess attendance won’t be a problem.
 
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BobbCat14

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I’ve never seen so many people in the West Lot in my life. 1995 Wisconsin and PSU were close, but not that close.

What dawned on me at some point before the game was that yesterday transcended from being a game to being an event. I’d bet there were 60,000 people who came for the event.

It occurred to me in that pre-game sea of humanity that we are fairly close to every night game becoming an event like this. I can envision a time where every game has all sorts of ticketless folks showing up - just for the party.

Of course, we’d need to actually win some big games. And to do that, we’d need to get al OL coach who isn’t a recruiting liability and we’d need to up our game in WR quality, but with that, I can see events like that happening more and more frequently.
 

DarthCat

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I’ve never seen so many people in the West Lot in my life. 1995 Wisconsin and PSU were close, but not that close.

What dawned on me at some point before the game was that yesterday transcended from being a game to being an event. I’d bet there were 60,000 people who came for the event.

It occurred to me in that pre-game sea of humanity that we are fairly close to every night game becoming an event like this. I can envision a time where every game has all sorts of ticketless folks showing up - just for the party.

Of course, we’d need to actually win some big games. And to do that, we’d need to get al OL coach who isn’t a recruiting liability and we’d need to up our game in WR quality, but with that, I can see events like that happening more and more frequently.

You think we are on the verge of having not just a college sellout every game, but an extra 30% more fans than that just show up to enjoy all the congestion and lack of establishments that the Ryan Field neighborhood has to offer?

Okaaaaaay. Makes sense. Last night had nothing to do with us hosting the largest fanbase in college football, 90 minutes from their home stadium, and less than 10 miles from the city where reside the biggest population of their fans in the US.

Yep, we’re right on the cusp.
 

catfans5

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I was in the line on Isabella to get into the parking lot. It was bad because they only had one entrance open. Further, they taped off parking lot areas to an extreme which made the flow to parking lot areas very bad. Further, the police officer at 5th and Isabella let folks traveling south on 5th Street cut in when they pulled up. I asked him what the heck he was doing and he shrugged his shoulders. We park on the far north end and it took forever to navigate through the lot from the south entrance.

The West Lot should be divided in half where the crosswalk is. They can have the south half and a north half with their own entrance. If you enter on one side, you can not cross over to other side. I think this will speed up the process.

I left the lot 40 mins after the game. We are pretty familiar with who parks where in north area of the west lot. It was a disaster zone. I will point the finger at ND fans. They were slobs. You could see the spots where NU fans were which were pretty clean.

Further, NU did not have garbage cans or containers like they usually do outside the port a potties. There were long lines for those. They could have had an additional one for each location, but I had no issue with that. If you drink that much, you can stand in line.

In the stadium, my seats are in the east stands. There were lines for the bathrooms, but it was mangeable. The only I do not know why folks complain about lines. They occur at most venues when packed.

Overall, we had a great time and nothing was unexpected.
 

villox

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I was in the line on Isabella to get into the parking lot. It was bad because they only had one entrance open. Further, they taped off parking lot areas to an extreme which made the flow to parking lot areas very bad. Further, the police officer at 5th and Isabella let folks traveling south on 5th Street cut in when they pulled up. I asked him what the heck he was doing and he shrugged his shoulders. We park on the far north end and it took forever to navigate through the lot from the south entrance.

The West Lot should be divided in half where the crosswalk is. They can have the south half and a north half with their own entrance. If you enter on one side, you can not cross over to other side. I think this will speed up the process.

I left the lot 40 mins after the game. We are pretty familiar with who parks where in north area of the west lot. It was a disaster zone. I will point the finger at ND fans. They were slobs. You could see the spots where NU fans were which were pretty clean.

Further, NU did not have garbage cans or containers like they usually do outside the port a potties. There were long lines for those. They could have had an additional one for each location, but I had no issue with that. If you drink that much, you can stand in line.

In the stadium, my seats are in the east stands. There were lines for the bathrooms, but it was mangeable. The only I do not know why folks complain about lines. They occur at most venues when packed.

Overall, we had a great time and nothing was unexpected.

Fitz51 relayed to me that lines for bathrooms in the west stands were so bad during the game that they opened the gates and people were told to use the west lot portapotties. That’s unprecedented in my experience.
 
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Yesterday's Parking Lot lines were the worst that I've ever seen in my 23 years as a STH.

  • East Parking Lot line stretched east to the Bridge on Central
  • Golf South Parking Lot line stretched west to at least Asbury and perhaps to the East Parking Lot or maybe south on Asbury. God only knows!
  • West Parking Lot, I saw the line as I was headed to Golf South.
I can only imagine how the lines were for Golf Central and Golf North?

Concessions were a joke and have become worse since Levy took over, then again they've always been a joke.

They opened the gates in the east stands to allow people to use the washrooms in the lot, never seen that either, then again many things observed yesterday I've never seen. Ok, perhaps somethings I've seen but were magnified yesterday. Yikes

Total Shitshow
 
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Purple Pile Driver

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I was in the line on Isabella to get into the parking lot. It was bad because they only had one entrance open. Further, they taped off parking lot areas to an extreme which made the flow to parking lot areas very bad. Further, the police officer at 5th and Isabella let folks traveling south on 5th Street cut in when they pulled up. I asked him what the heck he was doing and he shrugged his shoulders. We park on the far north end and it took forever to navigate through the lot from the south entrance.

The West Lot should be divided in half where the crosswalk is. They can have the south half and a north half with their own entrance. If you enter on one side, you can not cross over to other side. I think this will speed up the process.

I left the lot 40 mins after the game. We are pretty familiar with who parks where in north area of the west lot. It was a disaster zone. I will point the finger at ND fans. They were slobs. You could see the spots where NU fans were which were pretty clean.

Further, NU did not have garbage cans or containers like they usually do outside the port a potties. There were long lines for those. They could have had an additional one for each location, but I had no issue with that. If you drink that much, you can stand in line.

In the stadium, my seats are in the east stands. There were lines for the bathrooms, but it was mangeable. The only I do not know why folks complain about lines. They occur at most venues when packed.

Overall, we had a great time and nothing was unexpected.
There are a ton of opportunities for improvement. Not everyone using the bathrooms are drunks. The guy in front of me went to use the restroom right at halftime, he returned for the 4th quarter. The parking guys at the golf course are awful. Amazing there weren’t collisions. Simple things like having the RIGHT amount of garbage cans and port o potties doesn’t take engineers. One more at each location? How about a half dozen more at each spot. It was that bad. Why have the whole complex on lock down? Rocky miller johns we’re not open and have been in the past. I guess they don’t want people in WR, but that would have really helped yesterday. The traffic flow was not smooth at all, but I am not sure what could be done to fix that. Love to go to all the games, but it was tough yesterday.
 

its_the_sauce

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I don't get the inadequate number of port-o-potties. Full disclosure, I've never rented one but I'm guessing a good chunk of the cost is fixed based on the distance from the rental service to the event. In other words the difference in cost between renting 125 and 100 probably isn't all that much (obviously I could be wrong).
 
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I can tell you a 12noon lot opening was discussed from a source on Evanston PD.

I'm pretty sure stadium neighbors have made complaints regarding many things about yesterday, even those who usually do not complain. Stay tuned
 
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I don't get the inadequate number of port-o-potties. Full disclosure, I've never rented one but I'm guessing a good chunk of the cost is fixed based on the distance from the rental service to the event. In other words the difference in cost between renting 125 and 100 probably isn't all that much (obviously I could be wrong).

There might even be Hazard Materials charge too?
 

its_the_sauce

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I can tell you a 12noon lot opening was discussed from a source on Evanston PD.

I'm pretty sure stadium neighbors have made complaints regarding many things about yesterday, even those who usually do not complain. Stay tuned

No doubt. I know because of long lines in east lot many just peed in the bushes.
 

catfans5

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I am not apologizing for NU. It took 1/2 hour to get into the lot and I was 3 blocks away. My group was mad because I had the half barrel of beer for our tailgate. My buddy was in line at noon and got our area. A van in front of him had 6 half barrels.

NU is just not ready for prime time games. There were more people than OSU. We just kind of expected the snafus. Snafu means, “Situation normal. All effed up.” However, despite the outcome, we had a great time.