One group I'll criticize

dand84

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The WR group and Troy Walters. Leaving aside the existing guys, Walters has brought in 11 receivers over the last 2 years. 4 guys contribute.

  • Wan'dale Robinson - seems like a home run so far.
  • Noa - serviceable and a starter, but a grad transfer.
  • Williams and Woodyard - JUCOs that have not contributed greatly but play. Gone after this year.
  • Hunt (along with Legrone) - indefinitely suspended. Gone from the team?
  • McGriff and Jones - gone.
  • Watt - never enrolled.
  • Nance, Chase, and Houston - in a world where freshman get on the field all the time, what is going on with these guys?
Time will tell on Nance, Chase, and Houston, but the only home run I see so far is Wan'dale and that is more as a running back.
 

uberism1111

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I wouldn't list Noah undet Walters. People grad transfer for all sorts of reasons but the most common is just not being good.

I give him a pass on the transition class. All coaches, in fact.

The freshman and guys they bring in this year and beyond is what I would judge for development.

He got Wandale ready to rock and roll so he can get the job done.
 

Baxter48_rivals204143

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I wouldn't list Noah undet Walters. People grad transfer for all sorts of reasons but the most common is just not being good.

I give him a pass on the transition class. All coaches, in fact.

The freshman and guys they bring in this year and beyond is what I would judge for development.

He got Wandale ready to rock and roll so he can get the job done.
Wandale is pure talent, Walters had nothing to do with his development. Imo I’d love to see Ron brown coach the receivers again, his bunch could definitely block and run routes
 

ridge222

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The WR group and Troy Walters. Leaving aside the existing guys, Walters has brought in 11 receivers over the last 2 years. 4 guys contribute.

  • Wan'dale Robinson - seems like a home run so far.
  • Noa - serviceable and a starter, but a grad transfer.
  • Williams and Woodyard - JUCOs that have not contributed greatly but play. Gone after this year.
  • Hunt (along with Legrone) - indefinitely suspended. Gone from the team?
  • McGriff and Jones - gone.
  • Watt - never enrolled.
  • Nance, Chase, and Houston - in a world where freshman get on the field all the time, what is going on with these guys?
Time will tell on Nance, Chase, and Houston, but the only home run I see so far is Wan'dale and that is more as a running back.


I would say the WR room has probably the least talent it has had in about 10 years.

As far as developing kids, he doesn't get a pass for any of the classes or players that were here or he signed in his first year. As soon as a coach signs a contract the players are his to coach and develop.

I haven't really seen much from Walters position group to lead me to think it would be a big loss if he left or was let go.
 

ADV88

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Wandale is pure talent, Walters had nothing to do with his development. Imo I’d love to see Ron brown coach the receivers again, his bunch could definitely block and run routes

The only thing Riley did right IMO was Coach Dubs... I would still Love to see that dude on our sidelines... I'm hoping Walters is the solution but I think we're missing what that dude brought to Nebraska!
 

Bigredhunter

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The WR group and Troy Walters. Leaving aside the existing guys, Walters has brought in 11 receivers over the last 2 years. 4 guys contribute.

  • Wan'dale Robinson - seems like a home run so far.
  • Noa - serviceable and a starter, but a grad transfer.
  • Williams and Woodyard - JUCOs that have not contributed greatly but play. Gone after this year.
  • Hunt (along with Legrone) - indefinitely suspended. Gone from the team?
  • McGriff and Jones - gone.
  • Watt - never enrolled.
  • Nance, Chase, and Houston - in a world where freshman get on the field all the time, what is going on with these guys?
Time will tell on Nance, Chase, and Houston, but the only home run I see so far is Wan'dale and that is more as a running back.
Gripe 1: Only using 2 Receivers
Wan'Dale and JD often seem to be the only players being utilized. That actually makes it tougher for them to make big plays since the defense can spotlight them all game (Example is the wheel route intercepted near the end zone against Purdue).

I doubt there is another P5 team only using 2 guys on offense!!!

-JD and Wan'Dale combine for 75 catches
-The rest of the WRs combine for 26 catches

Gripe 2: Coaching and development
Walters has been asked why we hardly ever throw the ball downfield and his answer is we are too short. Part of the reason we are too short is we only utilize Wan'Dale and JD! Noa, Jaevon McQuitty, Kade Warner, and Darien Chase are all listed on the WR depth chart and are at least 6' tall. Use your talent!!!

When asked about why guys aren't getting their shot we hear that they don't know their routes or they don't understand their assignments. Isn't that the purpose of having a Receivers Coach!!! You would have thought our WRs had no experience with running routes or playing football before we gave them scholarship offers.

Also for Noa to have been a major contributor for Cal his entire career and for Warner to have been a major contributor for Nebraska last year as a Freshman, how the heck can both of them be so undeserving of a decent role in our pass game.
 

o_Hit

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The true freshman will make an impact next year. They have too much speed not to.

I think they should have played this year and put defenses in dime defenses with 4 across constant rotation the upper and underclassman. Would have been easier to run the ball.

Frost and Walters put too much stock in WR blocking. Need to get the play makers and speed on the field, not the best blockers.

Teams like Mizzou and Kansas State constantly throw their young freshmen out there and have success with it. Nebraska as a program needs to get over the, "play the veterans..." stance.
 

NikkiSixx_rivals269993

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Ron may get some flack for his religious angle at times, which I totally understand, but I think he's an awesome developer of young men, no matter what your religion is, or isn't. I would support having him in that role for sure.
 

ssmill777

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Gripe 1: Only using 2 Receivers
Wan'Dale and JD often seem to be the only players being utilized. That actually makes it tougher for them to make big plays since the defense can spotlight them all game (Example is the wheel route intercepted near the end zone against Purdue).

I doubt there is another P5 team only using 2 guys on offense!!!

-JD and Wan'Dale combine for 75 catches
-The rest of the WRs combine for 26 catches

Gripe 2: Coaching and development
Walters has been asked why we hardly ever throw the ball downfield and his answer is we are too short. Part of the reason we are too short is we only utilize Wan'Dale and JD! Noa, Jaevon McQuitty, Kade Warner, and Darien Chase are all listed on the WR depth chart and are at least 6' tall. Use your talent!!!

When asked about why guys aren't getting their shot we hear that they don't know their routes or they don't understand their assignments. Isn't that the purpose of having a Receivers Coach!!! You would have thought our WRs had no experience with running routes or playing football before we gave them scholarship offers.

Also for Noa to have been a major contributor for Cal his entire career and for Warner to have been a major contributor for Nebraska last year as a Freshman, how the heck can both of them be so undeserving of a decent role in our pass game.
Pretty good summary right there.
 

Solana Beach Husker

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The WR group and Troy Walters. Leaving aside the existing guys, Walters has brought in 11 receivers over the last 2 years. 4 guys contribute.

  • Wan'dale Robinson - seems like a home run so far.
  • Noa - serviceable and a starter, but a grad transfer.
  • Williams and Woodyard - JUCOs that have not contributed greatly but play. Gone after this year.
  • Hunt (along with Legrone) - indefinitely suspended. Gone from the team?
  • McGriff and Jones - gone.
  • Watt - never enrolled.
  • Nance, Chase, and Houston - in a world where freshman get on the field all the time, what is going on with these guys?
Time will tell on Nance, Chase, and Houston, but the only home run I see so far is Wan'dale and that is more as a running back.

It is a cop out to say "freshman get on the field all the time"...a vast majority of contributions in college football come from non-freshman...you cannot hold a coach accountable when freshman do not see the field...especially in a day and age when using a redshirt might keep the kid at your school. Of the 11 kids...4 have transferred and 7 have either contributed or will contribute...you can only have 4-5 on the field at one time so...
 

uberism1111

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If an offensive assistant moved on this off-season I would just put in Ron Brown if he wants to do it.
 

red scowl

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I wouldn't list Noah undet Walters. People grad transfer for all sorts of reasons but the most common is just not being good.

I give him a pass on the transition class. All coaches, in fact.

The freshman and guys they bring in this year and beyond is what I would judge for development.

He got Wandale ready to rock and roll so he can get the job done.

I'm hesitant to give him any credit for a true freshman that plays rb and wr.
 

red scowl

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The true freshman will make an impact next year. They have too much speed not to.

I think they should have played this year and put defenses in dime defenses with 4 across constant rotation the upper and underclassman. Would have been easier to run the ball.

Frost and Walters put too much stock in WR blocking. Need to get the play makers and speed on the field, not the best blockers.

Teams like Mizzou and Kansas State constantly throw their young freshmen out there and have success with it. Nebraska as a program needs to get over the, "play the veterans..." stance.

Holee ****. We need our wr to be able to block effectively. Have you watched our offense. We routinely throw a swing pass at the line of scrimmage, when we have numbers. The wr are blocking for the third or second wide receiver. We run an RPO. Thats the offense. Wide receivers have to be able to block.
 

Bombers06

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Adv1 . No way on Coach Williams. Riley’s number one downfall among many were the assistant coach he brought including Williams. All blow with with no results from Williams. Yes he looked good on Twitter he hyped who he was working with but who did he recruit successfully? Who did he develop successfully? Guys that did developer such as Reilly did in spite of Keith Williams
 

Ki113rSk3r69

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Yep 2 receivers all year. 1 grad transfer that is just now starting to come around and be confident, Warner who was out all year until last 2 games and still isn’t up to old form. And watch, next year redshirt freshman receivers still will hardly play, and just because nothing is forward thinking with this staff, Mcquitty will finally see the field and be a factor. :confused:
 

o_Hit

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Holee ****. We need our wr to be able to block effectively. Have you watched our offense. We routinely throw a swing pass at the line of scrimmage, when we have numbers. The wr are blocking for the third or second wide receiver. We run an RPO. Thats the offense. Wide receivers have to be able to block.

We also need our WR's to be able to get separation, stretch the filed quickly due to our sub par OL, and get open... because you know... that is the main purpose of WR's.

With speed, you dont need to rely on WR screens. The slant game would be huge and quite frankly I prefer drag routes, short and medium slants over screens.
 

WoodRiverJennings

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Adv1 . No way on Coach Williams. Riley’s number one downfall among many were the assistant coach he brought including Williams. All blow with with no results from Williams. Yes he looked good on Twitter he hyped who he was working with but who did he recruit successfully? Who did he develop successfully? Guys that did developer such as Reilly did in spite of Keith Williams

Didn't Williams help get Reilly to the league? He was a good WR coach
 

red scowl

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We also need our WR's to be able to get separation, stretch the filed quickly due to our sub par OL, and get open... because you know... that is the main purpose of WR's.

With speed, you dont need to rely on WR screens. The slant game would be huge and quite frankly I prefer drag routes, short and medium slants over screens.

I don't know why I said anything. We can't get open or block. I don't disagree with you.I remember seeing Indianas wideouts and they seemed fairly tall and solidly built, but we can't recruit any. I don't remember seeing Nebraska run a slant for some time. I don't disagree with you.
 

Harry Caray

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Holee ****. We need our wr to be able to block effectively. Have you watched our offense. We routinely throw a swing pass at the line of scrimmage, when we have numbers. The wr are blocking for the third or second wide receiver. We run an RPO. Thats the offense. Wide receivers have to be able to block.

Then we should probably stop recruiting so many receivers that weigh like 160 pounds. We need some bigger, physical receivers on the outside.
 

spinner4_rivals42045

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Holee ****. We need our wr to be able to block effectively. Have you watched our offense. We routinely throw a swing pass at the line of scrimmage, when we have numbers. The wr are blocking for the third or second wide receiver. We run an RPO. Thats the offense. Wide receivers have to be able to block.
The problem with swing passes in this offense is they relay on timing and in order to do that effectively our QB must put the ball on the money or it’s going to fail. Do we have a QB who can throw a swing pass correctly? It doesn’t work in this offense because we don’t have a QB who can throw a swing pass correctly
 

huskerssalts

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Adv1 . No way on Coach Williams. Riley’s number one downfall among many were the assistant coach he brought including Williams. All blow with with no results from Williams. Yes he looked good on Twitter he hyped who he was working with but who did he recruit successfully? Who did he develop successfully? Guys that did developer such as Reilly did in spite of Keith Williams

coach Williams was the lone good position coach we had. Yes the Riley years sucked and he needed to go. But coach Dubs, the guy was legit and I wished we would kept him (Keith Williams) and brought Walters in as a straight up OC. Let both of them work the WRs.
 

red scowl

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coach Williams was the lone good position coach we had. Yes the Riley years sucked and he needed to go. But coach Dubs, the guy was legit and I wished we would kept him (Keith Williams) and brought Walters in as a straight up OC. Let both of them work the WRs.

Tell me about coach Dubs wide receivers.
 

Wyldcard

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Wandale is pure talent, Walters had nothing to do with his development. Imo I’d love to see Ron brown coach the receivers again, his bunch could definitely block and run routes
Brown's Receivers were the best blocking and hardest hitting year in and year out in Division 1 when he was coaching
 

oldjar07

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I like Ron Brown more as a TE coach, he could probably help out with receivers on blocking technique too. I wouldn't mind if Williams came back but I'm guessing Frost would be more likely to go with someone with an Oregon background.
 

huskerssalts

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Tell me about coach Dubs wide receivers.

you want ME to tell YOU about Coach Dubs? Did you not have eyes? Or is this one of those deals where you’re being bull headed and refuse to admit what the man did for us? Anyone who watched our Huskers could see what the man brought to the table. Even NFL Wide Receivers came worked out with the man during the offseason. That says something in itself.

So lets flip this, instead of you asking me to tell you about Coach Dub....yeah not happening, I know that BS trick. You tell me what you feel he DIDNT do as a WR Coach? Because if you disagree, then it’s on you to prove why. Because again, NFL WRs come train with the man during the offseason. I don’t see to many position coaches doing that...;)
 
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red scowl

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you want ME to tell YOU about Coach Dubs? Did you not have eyes? Or is this one of those deals where you’re being bull headed and refuse to admit what the man did for us? Anyone who watched our Huskers could see what the man brought to the table. Even NFL Wide Receivers came worked out with the man during the offseason. That says something in itself.

So lets flip this, instead of you asking me to tell you about Coach Dub....yeah not happening, I know that BS trick. You tell me what you feel he DIDNT do as a WR Coach? Because if you disagree, then it’s on you to prove why. Because again, NFL WRs come train with the man during the offseason. I don’t see to many position coaches doing that...;)

Yep, nothing.
 

red scowl

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so you admit, you have nothing. Gotcha. Thanks for the 411...;)

You're an angry little elf aren't ya'. Tell me about the development of wide receivers under his tutelage at Nebraska. Please use the receivers he recruited also. So we can get the recruiting thing out of the way. What was the gorilla thing he used, I forgot. All of it dumb. Results are all that matters.
 

TheBeav815

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You're an angry little elf aren't ya'. Tell me about the development of wide receivers under his tutelage at Nebraska. Please use the receivers he recruited also. So we can get the recruiting thing out of the way. What was the gorilla thing he used, I forgot. All of it dumb. Results are all that matters.
He got commits from some well-rated WRs. Not really his fault KJJ flamed out of college, or that Tyjon quit after the entire staff that recruited him was fired.

NFL WRs were coming in the summer to work with the guy, you assume that some bum who can't coach doesn't get a lot of those guys.
 

red scowl

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He got commits from some well-rated WRs. Not really his fault KJJ flamed out of college, or that Tyjon quit after the entire staff that recruited him was fired.

NFL WRs were coming in the summer to work with the guy, you assume that some bum who can't coach doesn't get a lot of those guys.

I know, but for Nebraska football, he sure didn't leave much behind to cheer for.
 

huskerssalts

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You're an angry little elf aren't ya'. Tell me about the development of wide receivers under his tutelage at Nebraska. Please use the receivers he recruited also. So we can get the recruiting thing out of the way. What was the gorilla thing he used, I forgot. All of it dumb. Results are all that matters.

I’m angry? It’s starting to sound a little more like you are though. No, I just know Keith Williams was a good WR position coach. No clue how that makes me angry? Nothing to do with “anger “. I’m still waiting for you to explain what K. Williams didn’t do for us? It sounds like you just didn’t like the man. Sure, Mike Riley sucked and he was a monster bust but Keith Williams was the lone bright spot. The man has NFL WRs working with him during the offseason and if the man wasn’t any good, I doubt pros would waste their time and money on him. I personally thought the Gorilla thing he did was a great idea. It caught a lot of WRs attentions.
 

red scowl

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I’m angry? It’s starting to sound a little more like you are though. No, I just know Keith Williams was a good WR position coach. No clue how that makes me angry? Nothing to do with “anger “. I’m still waiting for you to explain what K. Williams didn’t do for us? It sounds like you just didn’t like the man. Sure, Mike Riley sucked and he was a monster bust but Keith Williams was the lone bright spot. The man has NFL WRs working with him during the offseason and if the man wasn’t any good, I doubt pros would waste their time and money on him. I personally thought the Gorilla thing he did was a great idea. It caught a lot of WRs attentions.

What did he do for Nebraska? Where are these wide receivers?
 

onechase

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Gripe 1: Only using 2 Receivers
Wan'Dale and JD often seem to be the only players being utilized. That actually makes it tougher for them to make big plays since the defense can spotlight them all game (Example is the wheel route intercepted near the end zone against Purdue).

I doubt there is another P5 team only using 2 guys on offense!!!

-JD and Wan'Dale combine for 75 catches
-The rest of the WRs combine for 26 catches

Gripe 2: Coaching and development
Walters has been asked why we hardly ever throw the ball downfield and his answer is we are too short. Part of the reason we are too short is we only utilize Wan'Dale and JD! Noa, Jaevon McQuitty, Kade Warner, and Darien Chase are all listed on the WR depth chart and are at least 6' tall. Use your talent!!!

When asked about why guys aren't getting their shot we hear that they don't know their routes or they don't understand their assignments. Isn't that the purpose of having a Receivers Coach!!! You would have thought our WRs had no experience with running routes or playing football before we gave them scholarship offers.

Also for Noa to have been a major contributor for Cal his entire career and for Warner to have been a major contributor for Nebraska last year as a Freshman, how the heck can both of them be so undeserving of a decent role in our pass game.
Great post. So True.