One and done rule change?
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I read somewhere there is discussion of going to a baseball-like format where you can go straight out of high school or go to college but you'd have to stay at least 2 years. I think that format absolutely benefits Duke. We would still get the best players who are going to college, but would get them for 2 or more seasons.
To me this is the ideal solution from a fan's point of view. Would love to know that the kids choosing Duke will be there for two years.
I’m not worried at all about this! Coach K has proven to win without one and dones, but the elimination of the one and done rule might expose a certain coach out there though.
I see the appeal, but I'm not sure it will make that much of a difference to be honest. You will be eliminating the elite recruits, but if the new rule is only 2 years or straight to the NBA, then you're not getting that much extra. It's just that those marginal one-and-dones will be spending an extra year in college rather than the D-League.
I hope a solution can be worked out, but I feel like all it will do is remove some of the best players from ever stepping foot on a campus. I'm not sure that actually helps the college game.
In my opinion, the only thing that actually helps is the NFL rule of being a minimum 3 years removed from high school. I think that is the only way you will still get to see those elite players in college for an extended amount of time. Otherwise you are simply removing them from the mix which doesn't provide a benefit in my opinion.
Do I believe that the NBA will adopt the NFL rule? Absolutely not. I understand the NFL rule is a safety matter, but, to me, removing the elite players from the college game doesn't really "help" it. It simply decreases the talent pool.
I hope all of that makes sense, haha.
I hope a solution can be worked out, but I feel like all it will do is remove some of the best players from ever stepping foot on a campus. I'm not sure that actually helps the college game.
In my opinion, the only thing that actually helps is the NFL rule of being a minimum 3 years removed from high school. I think that is the only way you will still get to see those elite players in college for an extended amount of time. Otherwise you are simply removing them from the mix which doesn't provide a benefit in my opinion.
Do I believe that the NBA will adopt the NFL rule? Absolutely not. I understand the NFL rule is a safety matter, but, to me, removing the elite players from the college game doesn't really "help" it. It simply decreases the talent pool.
I hope all of that makes sense, haha.
I've be hoping this would happen for a long time. If it does happen I believe the 1st couple of years it will be a flood of players going straight to the league and the G league will be loaded. There will be so many that some won't make the G league and will opt. for over seas. Then it will settle down and some will opt for college. It won't matter. It's till college basketball and the best will still be the best and that includes Coach K and Duke. OFC
I don’t think there should be any restriction what so ever. Go whenever you want. I do think there should be the opportunity for kids who declare out of HS to still go to school if they’re not drafted in the first round. There should also be a system in place for kids who don’t get drafted in the first round and left early, to come back. (Obviously if they haven’t hired an agent). I think the system should protect the kids more.
The other important part of this rule be how long can kids stay in the draft and/or does the NBA implement a time table to commit to the draft? The problem in the past was never kids committing to the NBA. The issue for coaches came when they sign a kid in November and that kid “unexpectedly” decides to jump into the draft in May.
IMO players (international, high school and college) should be able to back out after the draft. Your amateurism shouldn’t be affected by being picked or not being picked, either without a contract.
IMO players (international, high school and college) should be able to back out after the draft. Your amateurism shouldn’t be affected by being picked or not being picked, either without a contract.
Agreed, coaches can learn to deal with it. Allow a kid the opportunity to get drafted. If that doesn’t happen he can return to school. Maybe you limit the amount of opportunities to do that, but i wouldn’t.
It's good and bad. It's good because I think players should be able to do what they want, which is probably the most important thing.
It's bad because how do you recruit? Does it mean more kids wait until the spring? People forget we live in a world right now where roughly the top 10-15 kids in a class think they're one and done. Do those 10-15 now think they're going to the NBA? It's a rule that definitely will have a major impact on us, and UK, too.
Let's say this rule went into effect tomorrow, for argument's sake. We know that Cam Reddish and R.J. Barrett are never setting foot on campus. I feel confident in saying Tre probably does, but even that's not a certainly. That's our recruiting class. Obviously K will make adjustments like he always does, but it definitely changes our landscape.
It's bad because how do you recruit? Does it mean more kids wait until the spring? People forget we live in a world right now where roughly the top 10-15 kids in a class think they're one and done. Do those 10-15 now think they're going to the NBA? It's a rule that definitely will have a major impact on us, and UK, too.
Let's say this rule went into effect tomorrow, for argument's sake. We know that Cam Reddish and R.J. Barrett are never setting foot on campus. I feel confident in saying Tre probably does, but even that's not a certainly. That's our recruiting class. Obviously K will make adjustments like he always does, but it definitely changes our landscape.
I'll be surprised if it happens before a new CBA. The current players in the NBA have nothing to gain from the rule change.
If I were a fringe NBA player I would be pushing my Union to keep the Oad players out of the league for as long as possible.I remember Gary Kubiak being asked if he wished Elway wasn't there so he could play.He said He'll no iI make 200,000 per year and if I play they find out I am no good and have to get a real job
I'm content with dominating recruiting and getting the best of the best each year, even if they are only at Duke 1 year.
Completely understand the theory on the rule though, it's ultimately the NBA's decision.
Completely understand the theory on the rule though, it's ultimately the NBA's decision.
I'm kind of torn on what I would like to see.
I hate only having guys for one year, but I would also hate to have not gotten to see Bagley play here this year. I guess in the end, I trust that no matter what what the rules are, K will know how to make it work, and we will still be cream of the crop
I hate only having guys for one year, but I would also hate to have not gotten to see Bagley play here this year. I guess in the end, I trust that no matter what what the rules are, K will know how to make it work, and we will still be cream of the crop
Sounds to me like a rule change like this would spread talent around to more college teams, with roster spots not freeing up for two years. That may be the point, actually.
If I am the NBA, do what you want kid, but, no college experience-6 yr contract possibly at a lower pay scale; 1 yr college- 5 yr contract, higher pay scale; 2+yrs college- 4 yr contract w/baseball like arbitration for 5h yr. Something like that. NBA instituted one and done because too many teams wasted a ton of money and high draft pick on guys who were total busts (Kwame Brown).
If I am the NCAA, I let kids who are drafted play college ball with pre-determined date to notify NCAA by that they cannot get out of for at least 1 yr. Let kids get reasonable signing bonus from NBA and maintain eligibility. NBA could retain rights to player for 2yrs or whatever while kid is in college. Player gets NBA contract noted above once they leave school.
If I am the NCAA, I let kids who are drafted play college ball with pre-determined date to notify NCAA by that they cannot get out of for at least 1 yr. Let kids get reasonable signing bonus from NBA and maintain eligibility. NBA could retain rights to player for 2yrs or whatever while kid is in college. Player gets NBA contract noted above once they leave school.
Grant Hill is on the committee reviewing this.
I don’t like the proposed change. The NBA simply needs to offer a real G League option that pays enough and offers enough exposure to attract the top 10 or so players coming out of high school. Then leave the 1 year after high school rule in place. Problem solved for everyone.
You can’t make kids stay in college 2 years. What if they flunk out? How do you handle that? Sometimes a guy blows up as a freshmen. Why restrict his pro potential? He’s gonna be even less likely to go to college.
This whole thing smells of money considerations. Just do the right thing for once.
I don’t like the proposed change. The NBA simply needs to offer a real G League option that pays enough and offers enough exposure to attract the top 10 or so players coming out of high school. Then leave the 1 year after high school rule in place. Problem solved for everyone.
You can’t make kids stay in college 2 years. What if they flunk out? How do you handle that? Sometimes a guy blows up as a freshmen. Why restrict his pro potential? He’s gonna be even less likely to go to college.
This whole thing smells of money considerations. Just do the right thing for once.
I agree with this completely. If you aren’t a first rounder they should allow you to go to college with no eligibility issues. You stay two years and then you’re allowed to be drafted again. I think that’s the best way to go.
I disagree. Cal will still be targeting and landing some of the top kids going to college. For as much as I don't like him, the dude is an amazing salesman and will be landing top tier talent. How he develops players is a totally different story.
Go straight out of high school. There are not 32 high school kids every year that can play in the league right away even less so with 64 ( first and second round).
The simple solution, straight out of high school or go one year of college. At 18 a kid can serve his country so why stop them from making millions.
I do like the proposal above about getting drafted and letting the ball club pay for their college degree if it's second round .
The simple solution, straight out of high school or go one year of college. At 18 a kid can serve his country so why stop them from making millions.
I do like the proposal above about getting drafted and letting the ball club pay for their college degree if it's second round .
You're ignoring obvious differences in these sports. NFL has a 21 years old minimum to be under contract, so NCAA doesn't need to require any number of years. If NBA had a 21 year minimum, top h.s. prospects would play in Europe and problem mostly solved for NCAA. Also, NBA would never need to do that because there are plenty of 19/20 year olds who are ready to contribute in the NBA without the injury risk.
Junior college baseball players are free to bolt whenever, so there's that. Besides, baseball is much more dilute due to the number of players and how hard it is to evaluate 18 year old prospects in that sport. There isn't nearly the same amount of money available to young studs, and top ten prospects aren't the guarantee in baseball that they are in hoops.
You simply can't suggest that a three years rule would work in NCAA basketball, based on other sports.
Denver,
Just curious...how does baseball draft work? You seem to have a grasp of it. When a team drafts a kid can that kid still play college? I seem to remember a local guy getting drafted, very late mind you, then finishing his college career. How does that work? Is it like the old NBA rights?
As for everyone saying guys will just go to Europe. I mean, yes some would. But that is currently an option too, and very few take it. Euro ball and coaching and the whole system is very different from America. A lot of our top guys probably wouldn't enjoy it over there, especially for just a year or two. I work with high school boys, and at least 95% of them have no interest in living in Europe for any amount of time lol
Just curious...how does baseball draft work? You seem to have a grasp of it. When a team drafts a kid can that kid still play college? I seem to remember a local guy getting drafted, very late mind you, then finishing his college career. How does that work? Is it like the old NBA rights?
As for everyone saying guys will just go to Europe. I mean, yes some would. But that is currently an option too, and very few take it. Euro ball and coaching and the whole system is very different from America. A lot of our top guys probably wouldn't enjoy it over there, especially for just a year or two. I work with high school boys, and at least 95% of them have no interest in living in Europe for any amount of time lol
To be drafted in baseball you have to be out of highschool, a junior college player, or have completed your junior year if at a four year school. There may be additional age restrictions, but that’s the gist. If drafted, can always choose to play in college instead. What I wonder is: can you drop out of a 4 year college after 1 season and get drafted the following year?
Edit, looked it up. You must wait to be 21 if you have dropped out of a 4 year school.
Here’s a great resource.
It’s possible, but I don’t know how you would sell a top 10 high school recruit a chance to come play for uk when they can jump straight to the NBA and begin making millions.