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I read a lot of Bama folks defending Miller. A bunch of them have been claiming Millerhad no ideal the gun was in his car. They were claiming it was in his car covered up. I havnt read anywhere that he knew the gun was in his car. Have you read that anywhere?
Have been around enough to know they don’t live with it in their face and especially while driving their car. Some do yes, but not all.
Have not read anything that he knew or didn’t know. It is quite possible for miles to conceal carry and not let others see it but knowingly take it out and cover up in the car when they arrived. Remember miller initially parked and was standing in line with them before deciding the line was too long and leaving to go to a restaurant.
Not sure if it is relevant if he knew or not either way. Miller was returning to pick miles up, receiving a text 5 minutes before he arrived it is very likely he never saw the text about the gun. Reading text messages while driving is illegal in Alabama as it is in most places. Not illegal to have your phone in hand though so you could easily read text if you wanted. I drive and read my phone almost constantly but it’s a lifelong habit that’s hard to break unless my wife is in the car with me
. Younger generation however has been conditioned better. My 30 year old daughter will not text and drive at all.Where is the information that it was 5 minutes?
I would love to see the actual timeline.
It will be interesting when it goes to trial. You have to think Miller will have to testify. More will come out then. Just think Bama has dropped the ball in this. You would think they would of stopped the pat down after the murder.Have not read anything that he knew or didn’t know. It is quite possible for miles to conceal carry and not let others see it but knowingly take it out and cover up in the car when they arrived. Remember miller initially parked and was standing in line with them before deciding the line was too long and leaving to go to a restaurant.
Not sure if it is relevant if he knew or not either way. Miller was returning to pick miles up, receiving a text 5 minutes before he arrived it is very likely he never saw the text about the gun. Reading text messages while driving is illegal in Alabama as it is in most places. Not illegal to have your phone in hand though so you could easily read text if you wanted. I drive and read my phone almost constantly but it’s a lifelong habit that’s hard to break unless my wife is in the car with me
Have not read anything that he knew or didn’t know. It is quite possible for miles to conceal carry and not let others see it but knowingly take it out and cover up in the car when they arrived. Remember miller initially parked and was standing in line with them before deciding the line was too long and leaving to go to a restaurant.
Not sure if it is relevant if he knew or not either way. Miller was returning to pick miles up, receiving a text 5 minutes before he arrived it is very likely he never saw the text about the gun. Reading text messages while driving is illegal in Alabama as it is in most places. Not illegal to have your phone in hand though so you could easily read text if you wanted. I drive and read my phone almost constantly but it’s a lifelong habit that’s hard to break unless my wife is in the car with me
I just cannot wrap my hand around the sequence of events. Miller gets the text about 5 minutes BEFORE he arrives at the scene. Yet, the car driven by the victim's BF wasn't there at the time. It came later. How did that play out? Why all of a sudden text and ask for a gun when the victim's car wasn't even there? There are so many reports but the details are scattered.
If your daughter was murdered like this lady would you be so forgiving Miller for bring the murder weapon?Have not read anything that he knew or didn’t know. It is quite possible for miles to conceal carry and not let others see it but knowingly take it out and cover up in the car when they arrived. Remember miller initially parked and was standing in line with them before deciding the line was too long and leaving to go to a restaurant.
Not sure if it is relevant if he knew or not either way. Miller was returning to pick miles up, receiving a text 5 minutes before he arrived it is very likely he never saw the text about the gun. Reading text messages while driving is illegal in Alabama as it is in most places. Not illegal to have your phone in hand though so you could easily read text if you wanted. I drive and read my phone almost constantly but it’s a lifelong habit that’s hard to break unless my wife is in the car with me
Michael I don’t mean any disrespect, but I have no clue what you’re talking about or why you tagged me. I am sorry to hear how you were treated. That sounds pretty disgusting and I hope you get paid appropriately.
I would certainly question what involvement he had for certain but ultimately miles and Davis were the ones that carried it out. The picture that sone have tried painting here is that Miller hand delivered the gun while purposely blocking Harris’ jeep in so they couldn’t escape and basically assisted in the actual crime which is 100% false. More would need to come out to implicate any involvement on millers part. His part as laid out thus far is merely hanging out with the wrong crew this particular night.
Should be mad at Cedric Johnson.
He is by far the one person who had the chance to keep her from harm by leaving the scene.
He wanted to escalate.
Instead of pulling behind Miller's car and turning off his lights. he could have been driving away from the scene.
He chose to engage in "thug" behavior even though he had two females in the car with him.
The shooting did not take place at the exact location that Jonhson and Davis first exchanged words.
Johnson atleast had his gun out at the time Davis fired because he immediately returned fire striking Davis in the shoulder.
He was responsible for Jameas safety
They were never trapped in.
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Johnson moved his vehicle from the initial confrontation point but by moved its more like he repositioned the vehicle.
Seems to me he wanted to escalate the conflict just as much as Davis and Miles.
By having his gun out, it seems to me he was prepared to shoot either of the two.
I guess poetic justice would have been Johnson and Davis shooting each other and everyone innocent walking away unharmed.
Really good point about Johnson. Not sure what harris’ family thoughts on Johnson are but I would be blaming him as much as miles and Davis. Kind of surprised he wasn’t charged in some capacity, maybe he was and I just haven’t paid attention with all the focus on Miller.
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Haven't heard of any charges for Johnson
You would think if gunfire had been exchanged and no-one hit, both shooters would have been arrested and charged with attempted murder and wanton endangerment.
The claims of self defense would have been sorted out later.
I guess I will have to wait for a "Dateline" recreation to see this the way it happened. LOL
Years ago, a very wise man told me that when you bring a gun into any conflict, you better be prepared to use it because you just raised the stakes. Two young men both introduced guns. I agree 100%. It would have been poetic justice if those two had just shot each other.
The fact Miller never replied is important imo. Adds weight to his assertion that he never read the texts.
If your son was Miller would you want a bunch of randoms on the internet putting all their energy into making him look guilty when there is a possibility he is innocent?
I would definitely think it would warrent a time away from basketball. Her mother and father both felt like Miller should have been suspended for sometime.
They were all mad and some of them were drinking. I am not mad at any of these folks. If Johnson left the scene everone would be OK. But sounds like they all were macho men. If Miller had loaded his boys in the car and left everyone would of been safe. Don’t think Johnson has been charged with any crime. Hopefully from here out Miller will be more careful who he runs around with if not he will be in more trouble in the future.
Of course they would. Natural reaction but do you think theyve done their own investigation?
I'm sure Johnson is trying to deflect as much of the blame for their daughters death that he can.
No way Miller had an opportunity to get anybody loaded in the car.
Miles retrieved the gun as soon as he pulled up and shots were fired no more than a couple minutes later. There wasn't even time for Miles to explain the situation in detail to Miller before shots rang out.
So you blame everything on Johnson. Strange take that I have only seen from you. I guess the others should just get a walk for opening fire !! WOW
Miles had time to get his girlfriend out of the line of fire. Hopefully the truth comes out in the trial.
Do you think Miller didn’t know the gun was in the car or are you ok if he knew it was there and he just brought Miles his gun?
Anybody else get a modicum of joy from knowing that the chattering sanctimonious class of sports journalists, self appointed moral police, thought they broke a big story and that it has resulted in nothing but twitter preaching and petty message board arguments? Brandon Miller didn't miss a game, nobody is talking about it anymore, and Alabama just got the number 1 overall seed in the tournament.
Well played by Alabama.
Well played by Alabama.
Don't blame everything on him.
He was responsible for his passengers who were female so its not like they were going to get out and fistfight with Miles' crew.
He was already in his vehicle when the initial altercation with Davis occurred.
He had a gun that Davis didn't know he had unless he brandished it or threatened to shoot Davis verbally.
He probably thought Davis was unarmed, which he was initially.
He drove away from the spot of the first verbal exchange between he and Davis only to circle back and park behind Miller who had just arrived.
Why did Johnson park and turn his lights off?
Seems to me like that's going back to see if Davis wants some.
Pure speculation here but Davis wasted no time firing into the Jeep, like he knew this was not going to be a fistfight.
Johnson had to be locked and loaded to have been able to return fire and strike Davis.
So Johnson put one in the chamber and drove toward the conflict instead of away from it.
Again I'll say he was responsible for his passengers.
This truly raises the question of why wasn't he charged? Your version seems fairly clear that the wrong guy is going to trial or at least a VERY guilty person is still free.
I guess they did quite patting down Miller for guns. You should tell the murder victim ‘s parents it is a nothing story.
He probably knew the gun was there, don't know if Miles tried to hide it or not.
I don't believe he thought he was driving into a conflict, just doing what he said he would do by picking them up later.
When Miller arrived, this whole thing went down within minutes of him putting his car in park. Miles grabbed his own gun and shots rang out within seconds.
I brought this up in another Miller thread, there was a roadrage shooting in BG several years back.
Guy who shot first and killed the other guy was not charged.
It was determined that the guy who was shot while still inside his vehicle brandished a weapon and the other guy drew and fired.
Very controversial case even to this day.
Cedric Johnson hasn’t been charged with anything, so I think he deserves some benefit of the doubt for now. There does seem to be something missing in all the stories including the ESPN article though, which is exactly how their apparent words exchanged over Davis dancing in front of the Jeep escalated into a shootout. Johnson returned fire so quickly that he was clearly expecting trouble by that point, but what I haven’t seen explained very well is why. If Miles and/or Davis had explicitly threatened to shoot him, then that hasn’t been recorded. If he was attempting to escalate himself, that hasn’t really been well documented either. I suspect that this may be something only the trial can answer, especially with Miles and Davis claiming self defense.
It’s a bad situation I think I read somewhere that Davis was very drunk. Guns and alcohol are a bad mix.
Ok, if you're an attorney, who wrote this, your neighbor's nine year old kid?
Yeah, I’ve read that he had so much tequila that he claimed he couldn’t remember parts of the night. A person in that kind of state should never have a gun, so it’s pretty inexcusable that Miles gave him one. I think they’re both screwed even if it turns out that Johnson also made poor choices, and deservedly so.
All of that story is a speculative version created by you. The bold part is the statement that you insinuate is factual and it is false.
He never pulled up behind Miller's car and turned the lights off. They were driving with their lights off.
When the initial incident occurred Humphrey(Harris's cousin) was driving. They left the bar and crossed the street(University Blvd) and stopped to get something to eat at a food shack. Johnson stayed to get the food while Harris and Humphrey went back and got the Jeep. They pulled out of the alley behind the parking lot for Houndstooth(bar), turned right on Grace St. to the corner of University Blvd.
It is then that Johnson gets in the car(backseat) with the food I believe. At that time Bradley, Miles, and Davis leave the 12/25 and cross the street passing the Jeep. Miles passes by first then Davis and Bradley. That is when the first incident occurred between Davis and the occupants of the Jeep.
When did Humphrey and Johnson switch places and Johnson become the driver? Here is a quote from Miles's defense attorney.
"Miles' attorney said in the Feb. 21 hearing that Johnson, upset with Davis' dancing near the Jeep, got out of the vehicle, crossed the street and talked to three of his friends. Then Johnson, she said, got back into the Jeep and drove with his lights off.
My guess is (speculation on my part) Johnson got back in the car (switching places with Humphrey) and drove off on the strip without realizing the lights were off. This was probably 5-8 minutes before the shooting.
In another article it is stated that it is at this time that Johnson, Harris, and Humphrey looked for a place to park to eat the food they had just got. I believe(speculation) they then circled back around to the alley/parking lot of the Houndstooth bar and possibly ate there.
They then go to leave and try to turn right onto Grace St. but there is an unrelated fight occurring between some women causing stopped traffic. They instead turn left on Grace St. and somewhere turn around and head back down Grace St toward University Blvd.
It is during this time that Miller has arrived and the Jeep pulls in behind Miller's car. Yes Miller's car is technically blocking the Jeep, but it is just happenstance due to the traffic. Not intentional at all. Johnson did NOT pull up behind Miller's car and turn the lights off as you stated. I do not believe Johnson knew that car even belonged to Brandon Miller.
Miles and Davis got out of Bradley's car, which was in front of Miller's and walked back to it.
Now some speculation on my part. It is possible that initially
when Miles and Davis got out of Bradley's car, they were just going to get in the car with Miller. Possibly? Don't know. Maybe they then saw the Jeep behind Miller's car (by happenstance) and then retrieved the gun out of fear, anger, bravado, or whatever reason. That decision led to the unfortunate event that then took place. When the shooting starts Bradley immediately drives away and then Miller. Johnson then drives off turning left onto University Blvd and travels a short distance down by Bryant Denny Stadium.
I am not out to "get" Brandon Miller, but if he had any advance knowledge has to what had already happened and/or about what might occur, he should be held accountable. Even if totally innocent, the situation was handled very poorly by Alabama. There is no way Alabama should have played him right away. I think they played at Vandy two days later.
There is no way, in my opinion, that any school could gather all the facts about what occurred that quickly and honestly feel comfortable playing a player involved in something like that even if he was innocent. Not being immediately charged with a crime is not good enough. There are numerous cases where someone is not initially charged, but is charged later after evidenced is gathered.
With what has been presented so far, I do not think Johnson is criminally liable in any way.
Note: I purposely did not get into the texts that were sent to Miller from Miles since everyone is probably aware of those and the claims of whether Miller ever read them or not hasn't been proven one way or the other.
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I think every poster who has contributed an opinion has speculated some.
I really have nothing more to add at this time.
We just have to wait until the trial is over to get the story and I'm sure it will still be controversial.
I don't disagree. I try to state what is reported as factual as facts and point out in advance when it is speculation on my part. Sad thing is, the media cannot be trusted to report just the facts. Even they interweave their opinions and sometimes state them as facts.