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Did Hatcher just wave off dub rule and then retreat? Or did he tell du rule to take it and dubrule not understand?
Sims bailed one of their asses out.
It should be but it looked like Hatcher said something and waved his glove. Guess the glove wave doesn’t mean anything since they’re watching the ball but in real time it looked like he was waving dubrule off.
1. If the peewee Rec league teams I coached had as many misplayed and I got it/you got it/who got it dropped fly balls, I would have been in cardiac arrest.
2. I pitched from old enough to play through high school and was always taught that I was to be the field general when needed. In situations like that last inning drop, I would have been yelling for 2nd base to make the play. There are coached hierarchies by position so there should never be confusion at college level. But when it happens, someone's got to be the leader.
I may have been taught completely wrong but we did not have fly balls dropping in the infield.
I”m about over debrule
He”s bringing nothing to the plate and then let’s a pop up fall in front of him on the infield?!? In the ninth no less
He acted like he wanted nothing to do with it. He is a graduate and it was his call. No thank you. Next man.
He”s bringing nothing to the plate and then let’s a pop up fall in front of him on the infield?!? In the ninth no less
He acted like he wanted nothing to do with it. He is a graduate and it was his call. No thank you. Next man.
Exactly right. Anyone associated with Jacksonville baseball should be ashamed if
he’s their career hit leader. Quite possibly the worst hitter at the second base position in our history. Same for Hatcher. We’ve never had a first baseman this awful. It’s a complete disservice to the rest of the team to continue trotting those two out there.
he’s their career hit leader. Quite possibly the worst hitter at the second base position in our history. Same for Hatcher. We’ve never had a first baseman this awful. It’s a complete disservice to the rest of the team to continue trotting those two out there.
I agree. I hate it for him but there is no up side keeping him out there. This is his only year. He has no history here. We have to assume that this is as good as it gets with him. Time to move on. I would give Hatcher a rest too.
I played infield my entire life, mostly 2B and 3B. From as young as I can remember through high school. And then since I sucked at baseball I played old man softball for a good 10 years. I cannot ever remember being involved in a play where a pop up fell with me & someone else just staring at each other. Sure, I’ve seen people misjudge and miss it, but never just watch it fall. That’s terrible
Y’all are all 17’n wrong. You can’t tell that Hatch and Dubrule both backed off at the same time immediately looking at SS? SS has priority over both of them, if he called it they are required to get tf out of the way which they did. Forsythe called it and then looked like a circus clown trying to go get it. If you call it and call others off, you have to catch it. Go rewatch the film if you think hatch called it. That just did not happen. I agree on Dubrule though. Jacksonville State ain’t the SEC and he’s clearly overmatched in every single AB.
SS does NOT have priority on a ball that's on the right side of the infield! What book are you reading? That was 2B ball all the way but it looked like Hatcher went balls to the wall for it and caused confusion. Dude can't hit and now he's 17ing up the infield. Hatcher needs to sit. And it infuriates me the way he receives throws from the infield. Instead of meeting the ball at its farthest point, he waits on it to get to him, sometimes even to the left or right of where the ball is. I always teach my 1Bmen to meet the ball on a close play at it's farthest point between you and the fielder making the throw. Direct line. That inch to 2 inches could be the difference between out and safe. Seen it several times this year with him. How do our college coaches not know this?
I’ve always been taught SS has priority over everyone. You’ve got to give either SS or 2B priority over the other so they aren’t fighting for a ball in the middle. It’s easy to get disoriented when your running and looking up at a ball (you don’t realize if you’re left/right of second). We used to decide before the game if there was a strong left-to-right wind, that 2B would have priority over SS. But normally SS has priority over the entire infield.
Hatcher did nothing wrong. He has to go all out until he’s called off. Depending on where the 2B is positioned your 1B may be the closest player to a pop up in that area.
But last night Dubrule should have called it. My guess is he didn’t so we saw Hatcher going for it, and Forsythe never heard anyone call it so he did at the last minute - then realized the other guys had a lot better position so he let up.
Hatcher is the last guy to blame for that unless he was ignoring being called off.
Hatcher did nothing wrong. He has to go all out until he’s called off. Depending on where the 2B is positioned your 1B may be the closest player to a pop up in that area.
But last night Dubrule should have called it. My guess is he didn’t so we saw Hatcher going for it, and Forsythe never heard anyone call it so he did at the last minute - then realized the other guys had a lot better position so he let up.
Hatcher is the last guy to blame for that unless he was ignoring being called off.
Yep 2B ball right there. I played second from little league through a couple years of college ball. To me what looked like happened is Dubrule is not being assertive enough. He’s the only one that has a direct line, meaning no side to side running that disorients you. Dubrule saw hatch charge in and assumed he would get it. Hatch probably realized he was damn near on the pitcher mound and thought he was going to be in the way of SS or 2B. **** happens sometime but I guarantee the msg from Lemonis after that was to Dubrule and it was you gotta take charge out there.
In Little league we taught zones for infielders. That was clearly in the 2nd baseman's zone so Dubrule should have caught it. SS and 1st should have backed away. The only possible way I could see a 2nd baseman backing off is if they lost the ball in the lights like the UK player in Left Field
Neighborhood and Kired are right. SS has priority on pop-ups in the infield. Forsythe calls it. He better get it.
However Debrule should have been screaming for that ball from the start. He looked reluctant to make the play. Forsythe realizes this and calls for the ball. Forsythe has to refind the ball in the night sky. The ball has a nice tail towards the right side and gets away from Forsythe.
with all that said, no excuse for the 2B to be looking at everyone else on that play. You have to want the ball and be screaming for it.
However Debrule should have been screaming for that ball from the start. He looked reluctant to make the play. Forsythe realizes this and calls for the ball. Forsythe has to refind the ball in the night sky. The ball has a nice tail towards the right side and gets away from Forsythe.
with all that said, no excuse for the 2B to be looking at everyone else on that play. You have to want the ball and be screaming for it.
That’s the 4s ball every time(unless they are in the shift to left pull side); the 6 comes over and causes the ball to hit the ground, I’m throat punching the 6
Debrule is clearly intimidated by The big stage...
This play and his plate approach demonstrates this. He’s playing like a scared freshman.
This play and his plate approach demonstrates this. He’s playing like a scared freshman.
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I’ve never seen a group of grown men get so wadded up over a missed fly ball.
I mean, it’s a big deal, but they will get it worked out and I doubt it happens again.
I mean, it’s a big deal, but they will get it worked out and I doubt it happens again.
much as I hate to mention it, I think some of you were chosen to
to "control the infield" because you were the most experienced and the one the coach could trust with the responsibility regardless of position. all thru my experience in Dixie Youth and baseball thru high school it was the most experienced and trustworthy that got the responsibility.
to "control the infield" because you were the most experienced and the one the coach could trust with the responsibility regardless of position. all thru my experience in Dixie Youth and baseball thru high school it was the most experienced and trustworthy that got the responsibility.
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The short stop 100 % has priority over everyone in the infield if he calls for the ball but he was not in the best position to make that play. The second baseman should have taken charge but if the SS calls for the ball everyone in the infield gets out of the way. The center fielder has priority over everyone on the field on pop ups, and anyone in the outfield has priority over anyone in the infield on any fly ball.
