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According to the church bears I talked to today, they sucked when we played them but are hitting their stride now and good. In one sentence that berates our win and makes it OK if they lose or awesome if they win. Spin machine already spitting out little blue pills just in case
That's the party line I heard today. "This is a much better LSU team than they were a month ago."
ETA: Most are arrogantly confident they walk into death valley and come out with a win. My bet is that Les Miles and Co. are anxiously waiting on their pompous asses. They haven't forgotten last year.
ETA: Most are arrogantly confident they walk into death valley and come out with a win. My bet is that Les Miles and Co. are anxiously waiting on their pompous asses. They haven't forgotten last year.
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So far this year according to Bear fans, USM won't win a game, LSU won't even make a bowl, and Auburn was overrated and gave the game to us, and A&M was "exposed" when we played them but miraculously a solid top25 team when they played them.
We must be some lucky bastards.
We must be some lucky bastards.
So using Bear logic means that when State beat aTm the Aggies sucked. When OM beat the aTm the Aggies they were the best in the SEC. Now since Bama beat the Aggies they now suck again. I think I need to go take a crap on that logic.
I think LSU probably is a better team now... But so is most every other team in the country (or they should be). Heck, we have to go into Tuscaloosa and play an Alabama team that I believe will be much better than when OM beat them. Anyway, doesn't really matter because it will all get decided on the field. I just wish this was a Starkville EB year.
I was told bama is the best team in the sec, that tsun already beat them and will run the table, and uk will expose us and was only ahead to us as to why they lost to lsu so bad.
And yes according to tsun lsu is just behind bama and them now.
My friend says he'll video himself burning his tsun diploma while singing hail state and ringing a cowbell if we beat them.
And yes according to tsun lsu is just behind bama and them now.
My friend says he'll video himself burning his tsun diploma while singing hail state and ringing a cowbell if we beat them.
No, but i didnt know what else to call em. Theyre folks i knew in highschool almost 20 yrs ago who are on my fb
Don't know if they are good but they are improving as most young teams do. They have enough talent that they can show up and have a game with anyone but I like the way our staff has coached against them the first 2 years and I think we will roll. Much like Arkansas, make their QB try to beat you and you have a good shot. Their secondary has nice stats but the only 2 good QBs they played were blowing them out so quickly, there was no need to pass.
Nope. I expect to beat them by multiple scores and knock them right back out of the Top 25, where they'll probably stay for the rest of the season.
They'll need special teams and/or defensive scores to keep it close.
They may be a BIT better than they were early in the season, but their defense still has some issues, and they still don't have a QB. They're completely one dimensional.
I don't know if that's the "company line" or not, but I'm more worried about Arkansas in Fayetteville than I am Saturday night's game.
They'll need special teams and/or defensive scores to keep it close.
They may be a BIT better than they were early in the season, but their defense still has some issues, and they still don't have a QB. They're completely one dimensional.
I don't know if that's the "company line" or not, but I'm more worried about Arkansas in Fayetteville than I am Saturday night's game.
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I disagree. I honestly think you lose this game. Apart from Alabama, you have not faced a run first team all year. Alabama was at home and your fans pulled you through that one. They won't matter in a pissed off death valley. Better keep CJ off that blow this week.
yup. And last I saw, your offense has issues, too. Only 1 TD drive went over 50 yards saturday and you STILL can't run the ball (1/4 of your total rushing yards came on one play. Walton falls down if you breath on him too hard). Also, your "heisman" QB managed 33 yards on the ground on 17 carries... Sure, he threw for 200 yards, but 73 of those came on 2 plays. Good luck thinking you are gonna roll over them.
It's certainly possible but home field or not, Alabama is way better than LSU is this year, and as he proved last year, Cam Cameron is not going to just run the ball. Our run defense has given up 54 yards on 63 carries in our last 2 games vs. SEC opponents with minimal blitzing.
Against the 83rd and 85th ranked rushing teams in the country, respectively.
ETA: alabama put up 168 rushing yards on your defense and all but quit rushing the ball in the second half. You are a fool if you think you guys are gonna hold LSU under 100 yards rushing.
ETA: alabama put up 168 rushing yards on your defense and all but quit rushing the ball in the second half. You are a fool if you think you guys are gonna hold LSU under 100 yards rushing.
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Your defense is fast an they get downhill quick, but they are undersized. Alabama showed that your weakness is stopping a physical downhill attack. They got away from that in the second half and decided to play Kiffin-ball with a qb that had never played on the road.
I don't have much to add but I hate the "yards came on 1-2 plays" arguments. They still had those yards. Especially on a pass play. If 40 yard pass plays were easy to come by people would do them every down.
I agree. No doubt that some of you rebels (you included) are being douchey at times but most MSU fans that say you will lose to LSU are simply doing that week after week, ie wishful thinking.
All true statements. Alabama is also better than LSU across the board and LSU doesn't have the passing game Bama had to keep us from loading the box. Despite blowing UK out, LSU was still incredibly one dimensional, with Jennings going 7/14 for 120 yards. I like our defense against a one dimensional team. I can see why you like the match-up though.
Night game in Death Valley doesn't really mean much to anyone outside of ESPN and LSU fans. Y'all proved that this year.
Night game in Death Valley doesn't really mean much to anyone outside of ESPN and LSU fans. Y'all proved that this year.
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I said that because OM got those yards on HOMERUN plays. I said that because the whole night, OM couldn't string together drives... They did get those yards... but just like UAB did to us, living/dying off the home run is not sustainable. It worked for them against Alabama, but OM has struggled to sustain drives all season long.
If you think UK goes winless the rest of the way you haven't been watching the east play.
Tennessee can't get it's head out of its *** and has no SEC wins yet.
Mizzou's offense is as bad as Carolina's defense(maybe worse).
Louisville is very beatable.
Tennessee can't get it's head out of its *** and has no SEC wins yet.
Mizzou's offense is as bad as Carolina's defense(maybe worse).
Louisville is very beatable.
This is the douchiness I was referring to in the other post. It's a passive put-down of MSU. If you want to be taken seriously, you'll need to quit doing the childish stuff.
MSU is the #1 team in the country. Just because we can do something doesn't mean you can do the same. Your passive comment tries to paint it that way and it isn't true.
Did you watch our scheme against Bama? We kept 6 in the box all game and dared them to beat us on the ground with only 6 in the box. They did when they went with heavy sets against 6 in the box. Congrats to them for being able to run with a numbers advantage against a defense that was willing to give them that numbers advantage.
Bottom line, Wommack felt like Bama couldn't sustain drives on our defense with us playing them straight up. He felt they needed big plays in the passing game in order to beat us. They couldn't get many of those, and they ended up with 10 offensive points because we made them drive the length of the field, and eventually on every drive, we would get a negative play and force Sims to beat us, which he couldn't.
LSU is MUCH less of a passing threat than Bama, meaning we could choose to commit more to the run, if we want. We may just stick with 6 in the box though and play them straight up too, but they won't be scoring much, if any.
Bottom line, you're using an example of a better offense scoring only 10 points on us as a reason that LSU will beat us. That's just wishful thinking. If LSU is going to have a chance Saturday, they'll need the special teams/defense to spot them 14 points, or at least set up 14 points for them, and they'll need their defense to play really well.
Our offense isn't very good running the football. There is no denying that, but we have a very productive vertical passing game when we choose to deploy it, and our ground game will occasionally pick up chunks. At times, we've held it back (A&M and UT) simply to play conservative and take the win.
The Vegas line is a little surprising, but much like the line you had when you went to Baton Rouge, I would load up betting against LSU and then throw yourself a party with your winnings. We'll have to give the game to LSU for them to win.
You're reading into that way too much. All I meant was away teams can win nights games at DV and y'all were the most recent example.
Agree. There is a whole lot of suck in the East. Georgia is the only team there with a pulse, though they have critical flaws on both sides of the ball that can be exploited. I still don't see how they lost to South Carolina. I guess maybe it's just match ups added to breaks, but there is some bad football in the East, at least compared to the West.
MSU should roll UK this week. Dak should be on the bench in the 3rd quarter, and you'll only have to pass here and there just to keep UK honest, or just whenever you want to take an easy TD on play action to receivers that'll be wide open due to UK having to commit extra players to stop the run.
You're right. What are the stats? Like 3 teams have beaten them there under Miles, and all were eventual national champions or #1 teams? Yeah just another routine task for Ole Miss University.
Come on, man. Just own what you said.
Come on, man. Just own what you said.
I have been watching the East. And Kentucky lost to probably the worst team in the east other than Vanderbilt. They get Mizzou, Tennessee and Louisville all on the road. MSU and UGA at home. They'll probably win one of the road games, but I don't see any that they'll be favored in.
Where is the evidence of this good vertical passing game? I think you're right that LSU can't beat UM unless UM screws up, but I also don't think UM is going to score much on LSU other than on short drives that their defense gives them.
UF is not the second worst team in the east no matter what happened Saturday night. Florida lost that game off 6 bad turnovers and ****** special teams play. They were tied with Bama in the 3rd quarter and had a damn good chance to beat LSU. There's 5 other teams (Mizzou included) in the east that would not be in that position with those 2 teams.
Ummm...watch more of our football games this year and less of last year's Egg Bowl on your DVR.
The majority of our passing game has been vertical this year. I know you all hoped that the whole bubble screen thing last year was our offense, but we weren't kidding when we said that was largely due to Bo's shoulder issues limiting what we could do downfield. This year, he's fully healthy, and he's been very accurate with the deep ball.
Bo had 4 TDs against Boise in the vertical game. He hit one over the top against Memphis. Most of our big passing plays against Bama were in the vertical passing game. The one TD pass he had against A&M was a go route off play action. Both his TDs against UT were in the vertical game.
We run a lot of fade-stops, seam routes, and posts/skinny posts this year. I've seen minimal screen game. With our strength and speed out wide, that's the area we can stress a defense most, and it's where we've made most of our hay this year on offense. It's one reason why I think we will do fine against teams that can stop the run but struggle in the secondary. We use the run largely just to keep players in the box, to keep the DL from being able to pin their ears back, and to open up the vertical passing game. The run doesn't even have to be too effective, just be enough to make you have to take that step to stop it, leaving someone in single coverage.
If you can count on a handful of homeruns a game, and your pitcher is Clayton Kershaw against anyone other than the Cardinals, then yea, you can live off homeruns.
Most of our offense is going to be off homeruns, either in the passing game, or occasionally when one of our quick backs does find a seam or get the edge. We've got good enough athletes that we can generally make that happen when we find something to attack in the defense.
We've mostly gone away from the hurry-up this year, which relies largely on the packaged plays that are designed to get you 4-5 yards per play based on defensive alignment. We do that some, but we've relied a whole lot more on scheme and pre-snap adjustments this year more than pace. It's a different look than the last two years.
UT, for example, came out in a look they hadn't shown all year. It took us just over a quarter to make the right adjustments, but once we did, we hit them with some big plays in the vertical passing game and loosened up their defense. Then they wore down. Same with Bama. On the facemask-fumble-scoop-score play right before the half, Freeze ran that play solely to force Bama to show us how they would attack a certain look. Unfortunately, the TD happened, but he saw the look, felt we had a way to attack it, and we used that look in the second half to put up 3 TDs on them. Freeze said he found something similar for us to attack at A&M, but he chose to sit on it most of the second half to make sure we didn't risk turning it over and getting the crowd back in it. Our offense isn't the type that's going to line up and overpower you or just impose our will, but once our offensive coaches find a weak spot, they've been able to attack it this year. It may take a quarter or half if what they're seeing in game is different than what they prepared to face, but they usually find it. That's been the key to our success this year, and it's worked pretty well. I'm sure it'll work well enough against LSU to put up at least 20-30 points, which should be more than enough.
I didn't mean you couldn't go vertical, I was referring more to the "productive" part. Unfortunately I didn't get to watch the A&M game so all I saw were the stats. I guess it's not your offense's fault if your defense put you ahead early and gave you too short of a field to amass any yards. I saw the first three quarters of teh Bama game but even if they are not what they normally are, I would not judge an offense to harshly for not producing a lot against Bama. I saw all of the Boise game and the Memphis game. It may be that a switch has been flipped or can be flipped, but y'alls' offense has not looked very good when I've seen them play. Your D may be good enough that it doesn't matter (and it shouldn't matter in more than 3 of your remaining games). But I think you're going to have to have your D win any of your big games. I don't think your Offense by itself is going to be productive against Solid defenses.
I will say that in the highlights of the Bama game, I'm pretty sure the last TD throw Bo made (think it was the last one) was a throw that Bo absolutely could not make last year. But it's hard to score on good defenses simply by saying we're going to throw vertical when you don't have to respect our run game.
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