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The question is, is Teddy 100%? Another question is, will the new coaching turn Corcoran and Benhart into at least serviceable linemen, or will they continue to be the weakest link on the entire team?
I do get a bit of a chubby seeing Teddy and Corcoran lined up next to each other...
Run left every single play!
Run left every single play!
Corcoran and Benhart were high 4* players and highly recruited, but yet both haven’t played up to their great expectations..
It‘s time they make significant improvement their Sophomore year..
It‘s time they make significant improvement their Sophomore year..
I know Frost was not happy with the way the previous offensive line coach taught technique and schemes. And yet... he never fired him until he was basically forced to. Is that stubbornness or loyalty or both? I will tell you what it is: career suicide. But my deeper point is to simply agree with your post here. These were two guys we were all thrilled to have in the fold. And they have both underperformed in a big way. Perhaps Corcoran was playing the wrong position? At any rate, we can all hope that the new coach has them playing up to their potential.
I’m curious if Keith Williams will be in the mix.
Henry Lutovsky should be right there, but sounds like his knowledge level/inexperience may still hold him back from starter status.
How much can Brant Banks or Ezra Miller push the group? Can Piper come off injury and insert himself in the conversation?
The quality level of backups helps determine the ceiling for the starters.
You was pretty upset frost wasn’t fired last year and a few of us asked you to let’s see how it plays out, trust trev. I’m starting to get this gut feeling that were going to suck again, for the sake of the new coaches I hope I’m wrong as for frost he needs to freaking grow up swallow some pride and stop pouting anyway thats what I get from watching him
Yes, I thought Frost should have been fired right after we lost our opening game to freaking Illinois in a game that was a testament to how many mistakes one team can make. It was clear to me that it was keystone cops all over again. And I continue to think he should have been fired.
However, all that said, and not wanting to derail the OP's main point, there are new coaches and I like them. And if Raiola can get our offensive line playing well, then it will go a long, long way towards improving our record.
It's funny. I remember once upon a time that Greg Austin was considered an upcoming OL coach. But then he never produced or impressed under Frost.
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Corcoran is young as hell. Give a guy time. Last true stud that young I remember was Fonoti. And that was because he was an actual mountain.
Now Benhardt? I don't expect much of T-Rex arms.
Who knows? If the team goes 8-4 this year, with the way this current staff recruits, Frost could be around here for a long time.
true, but you cant just bury your head in the sand and pretend it's not a big problem
I actually think benhart put on bad weight last year, one reason he had trouble moving latterly. Jmo
IF NU could go 8-4 this year, (I already predicted pre-fall camp 6-6 or 7-5), I would expect a helluva recruiting class before the 2023 class is finished. NU has to take advantage of Mickey plucking kids out of Louisiana before he becomes more of a forgotten man back there.
There's going to be a need at Edge, DL, and of course OL. In the event Raiola is able to "show" more than average improvement in some of the returning kids, this could give NU a chance to pick up some good talent.
Another 3-9, 4-8, 5-7 season and it will really hurt the influx of talent thinking about NU.
Just an opinion.
picked up a lot in that interview that Sean C did with the 4 lineman. Teddy seems to be a true leader And Corcoran seems to be the guy you don’t want to piss off.
Bando made a comment about telling younger guys the have to hit the weight room and can’t be just a fat guy for 4 years. Corcoran’s reaction was too much. Seemed to read like “Broc you should know”. Though I think Bando finally got in good weight.
Also loved how they talked about DR carrying more about knocking a guys *** backwards vs the technique that was used. The has driven me crazy under Coach KW and Cav. I remember we had players under Cav that would say their focus was how Coach Cav would grade them from game tape on Monday vs actually how the played one Saturday.
Also remember under Cav we had a guy who got beat up pretty badly one game but Cav and the O-line came to his defense and said he actally grade the best out of the O-line and how we fans didn’t see the value in his technique. Well what we saw was the kid being used like a rag doll. He may have had the proper technique in doing so but who gives a F.
they say there are two types of leaders. Ones that are outcome oriented and process oriented. Seems like we’ve had a lot process O-line coaches lately, will be nice to have an outcomes oriented one for a change. And for those not following, think about this, say your an O-lineman and coverage has broken down and you know a way to fix it but coach will be pissed because its not his technique. Do we want a guy whose going to look at that and say “well, ideally I’d like you to be able to get it done the way I teach but ultimately you got the job done, so good going” or one that will say “I don’t give a F that you knocked the defender on his ***, you didn’t do it as instructed“. that’s when guys start only doing it as instructecd even though their instincts are telling them different.
bottom line is I think the o-line will be nasty this season. Don’t be shocked if Benhart comes around not having to worry about is he doing everything Coach taught him .
it’s WR I most worry about
Bando made a comment about telling younger guys the have to hit the weight room and can’t be just a fat guy for 4 years. Corcoran’s reaction was too much. Seemed to read like “Broc you should know”. Though I think Bando finally got in good weight.
Also loved how they talked about DR carrying more about knocking a guys *** backwards vs the technique that was used. The has driven me crazy under Coach KW and Cav. I remember we had players under Cav that would say their focus was how Coach Cav would grade them from game tape on Monday vs actually how the played one Saturday.
Also remember under Cav we had a guy who got beat up pretty badly one game but Cav and the O-line came to his defense and said he actally grade the best out of the O-line and how we fans didn’t see the value in his technique. Well what we saw was the kid being used like a rag doll. He may have had the proper technique in doing so but who gives a F.
they say there are two types of leaders. Ones that are outcome oriented and process oriented. Seems like we’ve had a lot process O-line coaches lately, will be nice to have an outcomes oriented one for a change. And for those not following, think about this, say your an O-lineman and coverage has broken down and you know a way to fix it but coach will be pissed because its not his technique. Do we want a guy whose going to look at that and say “well, ideally I’d like you to be able to get it done the way I teach but ultimately you got the job done, so good going” or one that will say “I don’t give a F that you knocked the defender on his ***, you didn’t do it as instructed“. that’s when guys start only doing it as instructecd even though their instincts are telling them different.
bottom line is I think the o-line will be nasty this season. Don’t be shocked if Benhart comes around not having to worry about is he doing everything Coach taught him .
it’s WR I most worry about
If we win games (8) we will move up into the top 20 in recruiting. Coleman in October will move us into top 30..
I'll say the "media". Everyone blames the media including people in the media who won't actually admit they are in the media.
If you aren't loaded with star lineman. It may not be such a bad thing to have a couple 5th or 6th year 23 year old guys in the offensive line. Bando and Hixson may surprise us this year.
Great post, Yantzeee. Especially the part about process & outcome. I've got two things to say about Benhart. In watching him play, it did look like he was too mechanical and "in his head" about trying to do things a certain way. He could certainly turn things around, but he'll have to get his confidence back. The second thing about Benhart is that he didn't quit. I think a lot of us expected him to transfer, but he's stuck it out. That's a good trait to have in an athlete.
This reminds me of Verduzco also. All process- no product.
I’ve already ranted before, but not letting QBs get outside coaching in the off season was a telltale failure in his approach.
Corcoran will be fine. He was thrust in as a frosh last season. Linemen need time to develop. Benhart I’m not “as” sold on but he could turn out fine as well.
The line overall is a pretty big question mark in my book, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took a decent step forward or still sucked. I also think they were made to look slightly worse than they were last season.
I agree with most everything you posted but I feel the WR group will flourish under Joseph. You have to remember who was coaching our WR group the past couple of years, Lubick with Frost's help. Our wr's did great despite not having solid coaching for an important group for our offense.
My concerns with the team are still depth at the OL position and that's about it. Now it's about time to see if our 2022 team is what we think they are a pretty good group compared to the past few years. jmo