Ole miss suing former players

Dawgzilla2

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If LSU had a lick of sense... they would put these players on every news outlet they can with frowning faces and someone on a microphone going on about "these kids are being sued for trying to pick themselves up out of poverty and helping their poor disadvantaged families out of poverty... and .... and.... and... and.....".
More likely this all goes away quietly. The case is just about money, so its not going to speed through the court system. A confidential settlement will be reached at some point and we'll never know what happened.
 

GloryDawg

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Honestly I don’t think it will be settled for less. Any appeals would be in Mississippi courts anyway. And I think it’s probably a slam dunk case for UMiss anyway. You sign a contract, take the money & then walk away to go work for the competition 2 weeks later. It is kind of funny that now UMiss has an issue with it. It’s ok if a players leave Clemson under very similar circumstances.
On one hand it needs to be done but on the other hand it's Ole Miss. I think LSU is going to look at this as them being targeted over Lane and will retaliate against Ole Miss as soon as they can plus, I think OLe MIss has done it to other schools and they might get hammered themselves. I hope that does happen and when the dust settles this crap will stop. Personally, I hope a nationwide war breaks out over it.
 
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Drebin

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LSU convinced the players to leave UMiss, and at least has an interest in the financial impact to them in making the jump. They want their players to be happy with their decision.

LSU says they aren't paying, but maybe the Collective could just slide them a bump in their NIL deal. A move like that might technically violate the revenue sharing rules, but I'm starting to think I don't know how any of this works.
Until these NIL deals are locked down with non competes, I don't see how another school can be at fault here. Ultimately it's open season. At the end of the day the player signs on the dotted line and makes a commitment, they are the responsible party.

If there was non-competes tied to this and LSU violated that, I agree with you. But I think if that were the case, Ole Miss would be suing LSU and not the players.
 

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Kinda sad that Pittsburgh didn’t sue us when Johnny Long transferred to play baseball. I’m just sayin’…🤣🤣🤣
 

615dawg

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Like Patdog, conflicted because its Ole Miss.

But if they lose this case, the dominoes that would fall in college football would be incredible.

Nothing good coming out of college sports anymore.
 

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Question:

Does this mean they’re inviting Clemson to sue one of their players?
The guy from Clemson had not signed an NIL contract at Clemson. Sure they were tampering and that has to be dealt with, but this is a different animal. These two players at LSU signed a contract, and the contract said they had to pay back the money if they transferred. They ignored Ole Miss when they were given a chance to pay it back, and Ole Miss even reached out to LSU to give them a chance.
 
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patdog

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Until these NIL deals are locked down with non competes, I don't see how another school can be at fault here. Ultimately it's open season. At the end of the day the player signs on the dotted line and makes a commitment, they are the responsible party.

If there was non-competes tied to this and LSU violated that, I agree with you. But I think if that were the case, Ole Miss would be suing LSU and not the players.
Pretty sure you can't sue the next employer for violating a non-compete agreement they were never a part of. You can sue the employee and the next employer can either agree to pay it for him as additional compensation or stay out of it. Which appears to be the case here.
 

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Until these NIL deals are locked down with non competes, I don't see how another school can be at fault here. Ultimately it's open season. At the end of the day the player signs on the dotted line and makes a commitment, they are the responsible party.

If there was non-competes tied to this and LSU violated that, I agree with you. But I think if that were the case, Ole Miss would be suing LSU and not the players.
I didnt say LSU did anything wrong, just that they have an interest in their players being happy with their decision to transfer.

There could be a claim for tortious interference, but only if LSU was aware the players had signed their deals with UM.
 

GloryDawg

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Question for you legal dogs. So, if OLe mIss wins and the LSU guys appeal to Miss Supreme Court and they lose. What then. It's not federal so they can't appeal any further, correct? If that's the case what options would OLe MIss have if the two LSU guys say, "**** you. Come and get the money." How could Ole MIss retrieve what is owed to them? It's state court not federal court.
 

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This case could get removed to federal court. If not, yes, MS SC is last stop. Ole Miss would take their judgment and try to collect. Garnishments, etc.
 
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Dawgzilla2

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The guy from Clemson had not signed an NIL contract at Clemson. Sure they were tampering and that has to be dealt with, but this is a different animal. These two players at LSU signed a contract, and the contract said they had to pay back the money if they transferred. They ignored Ole Miss when they were given a chance to pay it back, and Ole Miss even reached out to LSU to give them a chance.
The way I understand it, they aren't paying any money "back". The contracts were for the upcoming season. If they did get any 2026 money in advance, they should definitely give it back.

But their deals had an early termination fee around $500k each. IMO, thats excessive, and possibly unenforceable.
 

patdog

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Question for you legal dogs. So, if OLe mIss wins and the LSU guys appeal to Miss Supreme Court and they lose. What then. It's not federal so they can't appeal any further, correct? If that's the case what options would OLe MIss have if the two LSU guys say, "**** you. Come and get the money." How could Ole MIss retrieve what is owed to them? It's state court not federal court.
Getting a judgment and collecting that judgment can be two different things. Told a UM fan at work their risk is these guys blow all their money before the case finishes and they have to try to get blood out of a turnip.
 
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patdog

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The way I understand it, they aren't paying any money "back". The contracts were for the upcoming season. If they did get any 2026 money in advance, they should definitely give it back.

But their deals had an early termination fee around $500k each. IMO, thats excessive, and possibly unenforceable.
How is it excessive? You just lost two key players you had signed and were counting on near the end of the transfer portal window. That's a pretty big deal when many (maybe most) of the comparable replacements have already signed with their new school. The hometown judge isn't going to rule it's excessive and the home state Supreme Court isn't going to overturn that.
 
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How is it excessive? You just lost two key players you had signed and were counting on near the end of the transfer portal window. That's a pretty big deal when many (maybe most) of the comparable replacements have already signed with their new school. The hometown judge isn't going to rule it's excessive and the home state Supreme Court isn't going to overturn that.
UM didnt lose any money. They lost a linebacker and a lineman. You lose football players all the time, for a variety of reasons.

If UM had known those two were transferring out, they might have sought replacements...but they weren't required to. And who knows if they would have signed anyone better than the current backups?

Plus, there was nothing preventing them from signing someone else even if those guys didn't transfer out. Who couldn't use another linebacker and lineman?

Its all speculative, and they have had 7 months to adjust. I dont see how their damages are that high just because those players changed their minds. Some financial penalty, sure, but not 100% of the value of the contract.

But they will settle, and we'll never know what happened.
 

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How do we know there was no nil deal with Clemson other than hearsay? Had Clemson come out and said it?
The coach leaving could have played a part however it's a MS Court so it'll fall in favor of UM
I hope we're doing contacts like this as well as it at least makes them hesitate a little transferring out.
Do we know for a fact this was a new 2026 contact as if not it could change things (it won't= MS Court)
 

patdog

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How do we know there was no nil deal with Clemson other than hearsay? Had Clemson come out and said it?
The coach leaving could have played a part however it's a MS Court so it'll fall in favor of UM
I hope we're doing contacts like this as well as it at least makes them hesitate a little transferring out.
Do we know for a fact this was a new 2026 contact as if not it could change things (it won't= MS Court)
We don’t. But if he did sign, I hope Clemson will sue too. Doesn’t matter really. Either way he’s playing for Mississippi this fall just like the other two are playing for LSU.
 

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LSU is trying to kick the can because the money comes out of rev share and they’ve already promised it to other players.
Or perhaps they aren’t a party to the contract and are willing to challenge it in court.

Face it. If Chambliss can get a judge to get him a sixth year, LSU can probably find one to rule that they really don’t have a dog in the fight over contracts between Ole Miss and a couple of football players.
 

Msdeltareb

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LSU doesn’t have to pay a dime if they don’t want to.
Correct, but that generally is how it has happened in these spots (the team the player transferred to pays the buyout) and they almost certainly told the two players that they would pay it for them.
 

Msdeltareb

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Or perhaps they aren’t a party to the contract and are willing to challenge it in court.

Face it. If Chambliss can get a judge to get him a sixth year, LSU can probably find one to rule that they really don’t have a dog in the fight over contracts between Ole Miss and a couple of football players.
They don’t need a judge for that. They weren’t a party to the contracts.
 

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Correct, but that generally is how it has happened in these spots (the team the player transferred to pays the buyout) and they almost certainly told the two players that they would pay it for them.
What proof do you have that LSU “almost certainly told the two players that they would pay it for them”? Take off the red and blue glasses.