Ole Miss and their APR score question

[shaschboy]

Can somebody clear this up. Doesn't Ole Miss lose 3 scholarships due to their APR score? I was under the impression that they did.
If so, how many can they sign, or does that even matter?</p>

 

[shaschboy]

Can somebody clear this up. Doesn't Ole Miss lose 3 scholarships due to their APR score? I was under the impression that they did.
If so, how many can they sign, or does that even matter?</p>

 

[HD6]

I was wondering myself, and had not seen it at least 10 times on this board already.

 

[chew1095]

They can sign 28, but can only have 22 on scholarship...so, if my math is correct, that is 3 kids that Houston Dale Nutt can assist in placing them in a junior college or piss off their parents when he offers up a grayshirt option after signing day...
Houston Dale always puts the kids first...

 

[jacksonreb1]

can only put 22 on scholly (which i know is what you are really asking) word is on feb 3 we will sign 28. some will be placed, some have agreed to greyshirt if need be. the coaches are confident signing 28 that they will sort it out. did it last yr with 37 signees and everybody was happy.

 

[RebelBruiser]

We can place or grayshirt as many as 6 players this year if that's the way you want to put it. We have Andrew Ritter going on scholarship after walking on this past year. He'll take up one of our 22 spots (lost 3 schollies due to the APR hit). Whigham, Marry, and Swindall took grayshirts from this past class. That's 3 more. So those 4 account for 4 of our 22 players that can enroll in 2010. That means we can only have 18 more players enroll in 2010, though we could sign as many as 24 that count toward the all-important recruiting rankings.

We have 16 on our commitment list right now. Not all of them will qualify though. Either way, the numbers are tight for us.

ETA: Apparently Mike Thomas has agree to the Andrew Ritter plan and will sign with us in February, walk on in the fall and go on scholarship in 2011, counting toward the 2011 class. It's a little different than a grayshirt because he'll be able to participate with the team this fall, like Ritter did, but he'll still essentially delay his scholarship to the 2011 class. So that effectively takes us down to 15 commits for the 2010 class before considering the sign and place players, though Thomas will still be a signee.

 

[jacksonreb1]

with certain of our potential signees. i refer you to last yr when nutt signed 37. there were no reports of anybody or their parents being ticked. nutt has so far been up front with all the kids about this issue so i have no reason to believe he won't this time. but we'll see.

 

[shaschboy]

on your scores or do you see improvement? I haven't seen a lot of Rhodes Scholars on your current team and doesn't look like a lot of geniuses are forthcoming with this recruiting class.

 

[GloryDawg]

This thread will light them up.

 

[8dog]

to what it should be: that you can't sign more than 3 guys over what you have room for.

Pretty soon, coaches are going to screw themselves and the NCAA is going to say 25 (or what you have room for) period.

 

[GroveHard]

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[HD6]

Can I get a table that lists both groups ACT scores and GPA's?

 

[SnakePlissken]

If so, didn't they take up a bunch of your scholarships for this year? If not, how do you grayshirt and then not have them take a scholarship the following year?

 

[paindonthurt_]

You had 12 guys not go on scholly. I'm assuming about 6 of those went juco.

The other 6 were hunky-dory?

 

[jackstefano]

asdf

 

[patdog]

without discussing it with him before he signed.

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

nm

 

[RebelBruiser]

on your scores or do you see improvement? I haven't seen a lot of Rhodes Scholars on your current team and doesn't look like a lot of geniuses are forthcoming with this recruiting class.

You don't know how the APR works I see. I'm not completely sure, but here is roughly how it works. Each player is worth 2 points. If that player is ineligible academically, he loses a point for that year. If he leaves school, he loses a point. So, if you have a guy flunk out, that's -2 points. If he leaves school but is academically eligible when he leaves, it used to be -1 point for that player though I think they've changed that so that a player leaving while eligible does not take away a point. Someone fill me in if I'm wrong. It's also I believe a 4 year average, so for us the APR penalty came about because our 2005 and 2007 signing classes had an inordinate amount of attrition, leading to low APR scores. The 2005 class has now rolled off I believe, and that was the major one that hurt us.

Our attrition rate overall has been very low since Nutt arrived, and we've played in bowl games each of the past two years without having a single academic casualty in either one I believe, so the academics for our team have been much improved. Our APR score should be getting a lot better, so no I don't expect anymore penalties in the immediate future.

To give you an idea, yes Powe is not a Rhodes scholar, but he has maintained his eligibility, and he's still enrolled. That means, regardless of what his GPA is, he counts the same as a Rhodes scholar would.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Ritter, Whigham, Marry, and Swindall all count toward the 2010 class. Ritter walked on this year so he could play, but since he isn't walking on for 2 years, he has to count against a class, and he counts against this one. The other 3 are grayshirts.

The only thing the grayshirts will hurt is our recruiting ranking because they don't get to count in the 2010 class ranking, but they take up a spot. And I guess for a lot of people that matters, but in terms of on the field, it doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[jackstefano]

asdf

 

[JimC1097]

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[shaschboy]

RebelBruiser wrote:

To give you an idea, yes Powe is not a Rhodes scholar

 

[olemissbydamn]

Will go on scholarship the following year like Ritter did.

 

[RebelBruiser]

My point was, it doesn't matter if you have a 4.0 or a 2.5 GPA. If you are eligible and still in school, you count the same for the APR.