OK Shmuley....
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firing this year, however we are just delaying the inevitable. Not much will change, next year.
firing this year, however we are just delaying the inevitable. Not much will change, next year.
Since Greg Byrne's departure, my faith in our handling of big three coaching positions has dropped precipitously. Whether we cut the losses this year or not, I won't be comfortable unless it is clear someone other than our current AD is running the search. Let his narrow *** twit about it as if he is running it, but let someone who knows what the hell they're doing do the talking. #I'mLookingAtYou,Keenum.
I said it 3 years ago ..
And will repeat .. "If we are going to make a coaching change .. Scott has to have a Coach 'locked up' BEFORE we fire the current coach."
I would rather have Ray for another year .. than to have the school go through what it did in 2012.
And will repeat .. "If we are going to make a coaching change .. Scott has to have a Coach 'locked up' BEFORE we fire the current coach."
I would rather have Ray for another year .. than to have the school go through what it did in 2012.
Right, since no other credible A.D in the country has ever made a bad hire before. I hope Ray signs Malik and we are an NCAA team next year and all the haters get to go F themselves. The support our fanbase has given Ray is embarrassing. He deserves a 4th year for Christs sake. He inherited **** and has improved in SEC play. Ready and SWORD (our only 2 actual scorers) were 17in hurt in December. I understand criticism of Ray as a recruiter since ultimately it is his job to get players, but his recruiting is trending up. Bloodman and Roc will be gone and replaced with SEC calibar players (or at least appear to be) in Tookie and Weatherspoon. I see marked improvement in the way that we play basketball. Our spacing, our effort, and our defense. We have absolutely no 3 point threat so no **** it's been easy to defend us. If we had a Jalen Steele or a Shane Power this year, we would have won 9 or 10 SEC games.
You can take your excuse making and shove it up your ***. Bad hire from day one by a green horn AD who got completely punked. This guy is simply not a head coach. Period. Neither was crxxms. Same ****, second verse. At some point I hope the grown ups step up and cut the losses. It's time.
He inherited virtually every player we have that is worth a crap along with several others he couldn't retain. That is what concerns me most. What happens when all of the Stansbury recruits are gone?
Funny thing, Steele would have been a senior on this years team if Ray had allowed him to redshirt like he originally wanted to. But Ray said no because he needed that scholly for another player like Ndoye, Dunlap or some other NAIA slap currently on our roster.
And a question for ya, who's going to score at 3,4 and 5 positions for us? Who is going to be that guy to take advantage of mismatches down low next year? Ware? Nope. Black? Nada. Zuppardo? Sorry.
What if he ends up making the NIT next year? Do we keep him another year?
We need to get rid of him yesterday. Before he has a chance to be mediocre for another 5 years.
We need to get rid of him yesterday. Before he has a chance to be mediocre for another 5 years.
This is about as accurate as you can get. It made me sick the day Byrne left because he was the only AD at State I can remember that at the very least appeared to have a gigantic set of balls. But just like everything else at State we eventually had to take it up the *** and lose one of the best things MSU's athletic department ever had. When Byrne left he took my confidence with him. I'm not sure what the absolute answer is, but I know having someone in the AD that will actually do something when dumb decisions are being made doesn't hurt.
It seems like we are once again stuck in this "wait and see" mentality. There's no reason we shouldn't have nice things.
^^ this is what I'm afraid is going to happen. We will be decent enough to make the NIT next year. So he gets one more year (or worse, an extension). Then back to terrible.
I'd rather get the process started now. Seems like a great guy. Just hasn't gotten the job done.
I'd rather get the process started now. Seems like a great guy. Just hasn't gotten the job done.
Do you really see marked improvement in the way we play basketball? Since the season is over we can look at the season as a whole.
Year 2: 14-19
Year 3: 13-19
Please explain to me how that is a marked improvement. I don't care if our shooting percentage is better or if our defense is better. The bottom line is that we are not winning games. You can't blame the fan base for not supporting losers. This is big time college athletics and fans in big time college athletics do not support losers. I still "support" Rick Ray as long as he is our coach but you won't see me sitting in the hump watching us give "effort" and still losing 19 games. We got blown out by 15-15 McNeese State at ******* home. We also got blown out by 11-18 Arkansas State.... at home. We won 2 out of our last 10 games. F'n 2. There is no reason for this fiasco to continue another year.
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I don't get the Stricklin hate. Keeping good coaches is just as important as
hiring good coaches. Mullen and Cohen seem OK with him.
Yes, he made a bad hire. Other than that he seems to be doing a very good job.
I think Keenum was very involved with the Stansbury departure and the hiring process. I also think Keenum and Stricklin were surprised that Stans took the retirement package and walked away leaving them with a shaky short list of candidates.
I'm fine with pulling the plug on Ray now if we're confident with the replacement candidate and a solid backup plan.
hiring good coaches. Mullen and Cohen seem OK with him.
Yes, he made a bad hire. Other than that he seems to be doing a very good job.
I think Keenum was very involved with the Stansbury departure and the hiring process. I also think Keenum and Stricklin were surprised that Stans took the retirement package and walked away leaving them with a shaky short list of candidates.
I'm fine with pulling the plug on Ray now if we're confident with the replacement candidate and a solid backup plan.
I sware you ARE a bear ...
Most State fans understand .. it was a BAD hire
EVERY MSU fan wants us to sign a legacy and get to the NCAAT. We have never been further from being good enough in over 25 years. I support each and every MSU coach, win or lose. Wanting to replace a BAD hire doesn't make one a 'hater.'
Meanwhile, the MSU women's BB team continues to set record after record for attendance. What does that tell you?
Agree, Ready & Sword were hurt early. We won 6 of 19 when they returned .. and were healthy.
The 'best' class Ray has signed was his first one .. the one that included Stansbury commits ... Ware, Sword & Thomas.
WRT recruiting ... we continue to get further and further behind. '15 class is ranked ~50 in the country BUT ~12th in the SEC.
Where was the 'improvement' last night? We lost to a team lower than us in the standings .. to a team we had beaten on THEIR court earlier THIS year. Apparently, Auburn got better and we digressed. If not for the two wins over hapless Missouri, we would have lost 8 SEC games in a row to END THE YEAR. In R Ray's 3 years, we have finished 13th, 13th and 12th in the SEC. We actually won less overall games this year than last year.
Okay, spacing, defense & effort are good things .. but they have not showed up in the 'win' column.
Rick Ray has recruited THREE classes (Fourth class arrives in Sep); the FACT that we have ZERO 3 Point threat is his fault .. Period.
Most State fans understand .. it was a BAD hire
EVERY MSU fan wants us to sign a legacy and get to the NCAAT. We have never been further from being good enough in over 25 years. I support each and every MSU coach, win or lose. Wanting to replace a BAD hire doesn't make one a 'hater.'
Meanwhile, the MSU women's BB team continues to set record after record for attendance. What does that tell you?
Agree, Ready & Sword were hurt early. We won 6 of 19 when they returned .. and were healthy.
The 'best' class Ray has signed was his first one .. the one that included Stansbury commits ... Ware, Sword & Thomas.
WRT recruiting ... we continue to get further and further behind. '15 class is ranked ~50 in the country BUT ~12th in the SEC.
Where was the 'improvement' last night? We lost to a team lower than us in the standings .. to a team we had beaten on THEIR court earlier THIS year. Apparently, Auburn got better and we digressed. If not for the two wins over hapless Missouri, we would have lost 8 SEC games in a row to END THE YEAR. In R Ray's 3 years, we have finished 13th, 13th and 12th in the SEC. We actually won less overall games this year than last year.
Okay, spacing, defense & effort are good things .. but they have not showed up in the 'win' column.
Rick Ray has recruited THREE classes (Fourth class arrives in Sep); the FACT that we have ZERO 3 Point threat is his fault .. Period.
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Scott ..
Has had THREE years to come up with a replacement candidate and a solid backup plan. He can 'make-up' for the bad hire with a GOOD ONE now.
Has had THREE years to come up with a replacement candidate and a solid backup plan. He can 'make-up' for the bad hire with a GOOD ONE now.
what was the consensus name again? you know... the one name that everyone will be on board with... that is until it is revealed that he won't win "next year" either?
It likely does. But even with Antoine Mason, Cinmeon Bowers and KC Ross-Miller, Auburn still finished 13th in the SEC.
Crap .. thought it was Cohen coaching that team in the National Championship game. Now, you telling me it was Mullen the whole time.
Kurt .. if the question was for me, then answer is no. I live in Virginia .. graduated State in '74. Have not attended as a season ticket holder since late 70s.
Is "SEC Calibar" really what we are going for? Cuz that's still pretty bad. There is room for a second nationally-relevant team in the SEC, and no reason it shouldn't be us.
again name who we could have hired better?
not a single person on this board really knows what went down and how. If they do, they probably aren't talking about it on this board.
yes it was a 17ing ****** hire, but we were in a 17ing ****** spot..........PERIOD
not a single person on this board really knows what went down and how. If they do, they probably aren't talking about it on this board.
yes it was a 17ing ****** hire, but we were in a 17ing ****** spot..........PERIOD
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