********OFFICIAL GAME THREAD********

KyCatFan1

Heisman
May 6, 2002
30,867
31,594
113
Our bench is mediocre at best . And it shouldn't be.

I complained about that and even mentioned Cal said he wouldn't be shorthanded again. Yet every year we have 3 or 4 open scholarships and are an injury away from disaster. The excuse is he doesn't know who will come back. If he didn't recruit a roster full of guys that have one foot out the door before they even get here we wouldn't have to worry about it so much.
 

Son_Of_Saul

Heisman
Dec 7, 2007
45,128
97,975
113
LOL, no. I got my hopes up, but freshmen crumble under pressure. Once you get to the sweet 16, the pressure is enormous.

We just saw what this team will do under pressure.

Sorry, but even with RT, we get our tails kicked today.

Just can't win it all with Freshmen when you don't have a transcendent player.

This team makes too many mistakes, misses too many free throws and chokes too much.

I expected a loss today, but we played awful at every aspect of the game the last 2 games. RT ain't fixing that by himself.

We're not getting a 1 seed now. Just gotta hope we don't get Duke in the East Region.

Another year where we're completely at the mercy of the selection committee after crapping the bed in late February/early March.

This is getting old.
 

STL_Cat

Heisman
Dec 4, 2011
64,878
57,614
98
Game was over and it didn't count. Kind of like when a player takes a shot after the whistle has blown.

Don’t act like he didn’t try to get that in before the game ended. It was like a tenth of a second.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
We're not getting a 1 seed now. Just gotta hope we don't get Duke in the East Region.

Another year where we're completely at the mercy of the selection committee after crapping the bed in late February/early March.

This is getting old.
Gotta hope for a 2 in the South.

What a pathetic effort today
 

Ugoff

Heisman
May 7, 2009
16,403
21,489
0
We're not getting a 1 seed now. Just gotta hope we don't get Duke in the East Region.

Another year where we're completely at the mercy of the selection committee after crapping the bed in late February/early March.

This is getting old.
I hope Boise Idaho isn't hosting again.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
People said the same thing about Knights team. They played bad in late Feb/March as well. We will be ready and focused come tourney time. History don't lie.
The Knight team is an outlier, we have more examples of the opposite happening
 
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STL_Cat

Heisman
Dec 4, 2011
64,878
57,614
98
People said the same thing about Knights team. They played bad in late Feb/March as well. We will be ready and focused come tourney time. History don't lie.

Doesn’t always tell the truth either. Lost in the 2nd round to *gasp* Indiana in the 2nd round and last year couldn’t beat a barely average K-State team. 2 of the last 3 years.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
44,725
80,527
113
The Knight team is an outlier, we have more examples of the opposite happening

Like who? Murrays team played well at the end and just had a bad tourney game. Noel's team was just bad, Fox's team was as great as any and got jobbed but still elite 8. Last year we sucked but still should have made the final four. Every other year we did what we should have.

In conclusion we had one bad team. One average team who still made the elite 8. One team who was decent and had a early exit relative to the talent and the rest did exactly what they should have expect 2015(again final four but no title).
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
Like who?
Oh IDK, how about 2010, 2013, 2016 and just last year.

Our 14 team choked in the title game, looked completely scared. Then we choked in 15 against Wisconsin and there were sophomores running the show in that game.

Take a look at the teams that are winning titles, they are all veteran teams.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
44,725
80,527
113
Doesn’t always tell the truth either. Lost in the 2nd round to *gasp* Indiana in the 2nd round and last year couldn’t beat a barely average K-State team. 2 of the last 3 years.



But still taking out the Kansas state quality would you have taken an elite 8 with last year's team? Most would say yes. Murrays team underpreformed I will say that. Other than that it's really hard to say we don't play well in March. There not many teams who play better than us in March period. Yeah Nova had two great runs and Duke got one more title than we did because we choked. Still final fours are awesome.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
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Like who? Murrays team played well at the end and just had a bad tourney game. Noel's team was just bad, Fox's team was as great as any and got jobbed but still elite 8. Last year we sucked but still should have made the final four. Every other year we did what we should have.

In conclusion we had one bad team. One average team who still made the elite 8. One team who was decent and had a early exit relative to the talent and the rest did exactly what they should have expect 2015(again final four but no title).
You're making excuses for those tournament losses.

2016 just had a bad tournament game? That's the definition of a choke job.

Last year's team just sucked??? No, we had a gift. Bracket crumbled and we choked against an 8 seed. We were a 4. That's a choke job.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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Jun 10, 2009
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Oh IDK, how about 2010, 2013, 2016 and just last year.

Our 14 team choked in the title game, looked completely scared. Then we choked in 15 against Wisconsin and there were sophomores running the show in that game.

Take a look at the teams that are winning titles, they are all veteran teams.

So your using a national runner up with all freshman as a bad example. That's laughable.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
44,725
80,527
113
You're making excuses for those tournament losses.

2016 just had a bad tournament game? That's the definition of a choke job.

Last year's team just sucked??? No, we had a gift. Bracket crumbled and we choked against an 8 seed. We were a 4. That's a choke job.

Guess you need to find a program who over achieves. with your standards good luck!
 

EliteBlue

Heisman
Mar 27, 2009
16,751
20,269
0
You're making excuses for those tournament losses.

2016 just had a bad tournament game? That's the definition of a choke job.

Last year's team just sucked??? No, we had a gift. Bracket crumbled and we choked against an 8 seed. We were a 4. That's a choke job.
We still weren’t a good team last year. UVA and Arizona choking doesn’t mean we were suddenly good.

We were lucky to make the E8 last year and KSU was a fairly even team to us once they got Dean Wade back
 
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*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
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80,527
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They choked in that game, but why are you ignoring the main 4 choke jobs I listed in the first sentence?

Because we have chocked exactly twice. You can have a bad game without choking but regardless of how you count choking, a national runner up and final four where we lost 1 time is the most laughable thing to criticize I have ever seen.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
Guess you need to find a program who over achieves. with your standards good luck!
So I make a statement about what happens to freshmen in the NCAAT and now I have to find a new team because you don't agree with what I said?

It'll hit you one day, hopefully someone doesn't tell you to go support another program when that happens.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
44,725
80,527
113
So I make a statement about what happens to freshmen in the NCAAT and now I have to find a new team because you don't agree with what I said?

It'll hit you one day, hopefully someone doesn't tell you to go support another program when that happens.

No our freshman preform as well as any freshman have ever performed in the tourney. To say otherwise is crazy. I wont have to find another team. I bleed blue and support our team 100%. I am upset sometimes but I have reasonable standards. They have made me extremely proud the last 10 years. One of the best runs I program history. The freshman preform huge every year. If they didn't we wouldn't have done anything.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
Because we have chocked exactly twice. You can have a bad game without choking but regardless of how you count choking, a national runner up and final four where we lost 1 time is the most laughable thing to criticize I have ever seen.
Fine, what about 2010, 16 and 18? We choked in all three of those tournament games.

Winning with freshmen is hard and that is why.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
No our freshman preform as well as any freshman have ever performed in the tourney. To say otherwise is crazy.
Who else is playing with freshmen oriented rosters???

Other teams have one or two, we play mostly freshmen and when one isn't a John Wall or AD caliber player, you ain't winning it all.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
44,725
80,527
113
Who else is playing with freshmen oriented rosters???

Other teams have one or two, we play mostly freshmen and when one isn't a John Wall or AD caliber player, you ain't winning it all.

Duke and even they haven't performed as well as consistently. Nobody else, which is why our accomplishments are that much greater. Its hard to win no matter who you have. That's they point of a one and done. Our teams have a good of chance as anyone. That's a fact almost every year.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
We still weren’t a good team last year. UVA and Arizona choking doesn’t mean we were suddenly good.

We were lucky to make the E8 last year and KSU was a fairly even team to us once they got Dean Wade back
For 1, we didn't make it to the E8 last year, we lost in the sweet 16.

2, KSU only had Dean Wade for a small amount of time in that game. That's a poor excuse.

We lost because some freshmen disappeared and one couldn't hit free throws.

KSU was an 8 seed for a reason, they weren't any good and a mid major ended up beating them in the next round.

We choked .
 
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kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,477
70,668
113
Duke and even they haven't performed as well as consistently. Nobody else, which is why our accomplishments are that much greater. Its hard to win no matter who you have. That's they point of a one and done. Our teams have a good of chance as anyone. That's a fact almost every year.

You just proved my point.

Duke is the only other team that caters to one and done method and they have had the most talent the last 4 years. Zero titles with the best coach ever.

Freshmen choke.
 

c-a-t-s-f-a-n

All-Conference
Jun 29, 2017
1,744
1,502
47

It was an awful game for sure, and they did panic, but the last 10 minutes of the first half basically decided the game, IMO.

Washington out. Nick and EJ both pick up 2nd and 3rd fouls. No Reid of course.
 

Aike

Heisman
Mar 17, 2002
75,405
46,213
90
Our bench is mediocre at best . And it shouldn't be.

Agree to disagree. I think our bench is just about perfect when it’s a bench. But pressed into further action, it suffers. We don’t have 7-8 interchangeable guys. We have 5, maybe 6 tops, then some solid role players.
 

Susan2361

All-Conference
Apr 22, 2015
1,747
3,247
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This is just wrong. If you are really that stupid please just keep it to yourself.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just choose to not insult you when I express my opinion. But you are making it very difficult. You are entitled to say that I am stupid just like I would have the right to say that you are a jack__s, if I wanted to.
 

Susan2361

All-Conference
Apr 22, 2015
1,747
3,247
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Maybe you should stop watching. Didn’t you say these games cause you health problems?
Yes and I finally did stop watching. Thank you for your concern for my health although I don't think you meant your comment that way.
 

Susan2361

All-Conference
Apr 22, 2015
1,747
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Sorry. Stuck with him 2 more years. But people get mad when players get recruited over.
If he really stays for two more years then I hope it works out. Wanting him to get better is only natural. I don't think he improved much from last year and that's what makes me frustrated. But with 4 years, who knows.
 

STL_Cat

Heisman
Dec 4, 2011
64,878
57,614
98
But still taking out the Kansas state quality would you have taken an elite 8 with last year's team? Most would say yes. Murrays team underpreformed I will say that. Other than that it's really hard to say we don't play well in March. There not many teams who play better than us in March period. Yeah Nova had two great runs and Duke got one more title than we did because we choked. Still final fours are awesome.

Well, sure, but we didn’t make it to the Elite Eight last year. Kansas State beat us in the Sweet 16.