Official game day thread- Duke vs Wake Forest II
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15 mins in a 35 point win Sat, yet 1-7 from floor, 1 assist. I’m not in his head so saying disengaged may not be fair, but he just never “had it” for the 2024-2025 College Basketball season. Unless he is sick or injured (and it could be possible) for him to not see the floor in such a rout in the final home game is incredibly telling.
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That's the only smart thing Corey said all night.
Coach Scheyer has Led Duke to 2 Undefeated Seasons at Cameron Indoor Stadium in his first 3 seasons at The Helm
I think what seperates this team, other than the fact we have 4 impact freshman, is the 3 transfers are almost all perfect team role players. Its rare to be able to plug in 3 upperclassman who seemingly have no ego. And they are tough as nails.
I get so tired of his incessant references to his broadcast partner's initials.
OFC
Chris, I think they could easily backdoor their way in. Bubba Cunningham heads the committee. He's a sneak and the ultimate deal maker.
OFC
This year his NIL was $4.8 million and that included deals with Gatorade and Fanatics and a shoe deal with New Balance. Even if that doubled that would be $9.6 million.
The max salary for last year’s number one pick was 4 yrs $57 million (14.25 per). This year it’s probably in the range of 4 / $60 million. $15 million per. His first year (based on next year estimates) would be just above $13 million.
But one then also has to factor in that he will still have the endorsement deals with potentially even bigger contracts on shoe and endorsement deals. So that in itself could be a wash on the NIL.
He would probably have to make $16 million plus on an NIL to equal turning pro.
Finally, the sooner he goes to the NBA the sooner he gets to his second contract 4 years from now - which if it’s with his drafting team could be a max deal this year would start out around $35 million. If it’s a 5 year deal it’s worth around $200 million. By the time Flagg gets to his max deal in 4 seasons —assuming he balls out at the NBA level — that number will probably be 5/$250 million or in the range of 4/$180-200 million. Though tv ratings are down and contracts are dependent on ratings. Still he would be 22 when he signed and he could go with a 3 year deal to get to year 7, where after year 7 a player can swing a SuperMax deal like Brown did with the Celtics and got $304 million for 5 seasons. The benefit of that it that Flagg could get to each of those deals a year sooner. So the future earnings potential is higher as well as the first year numbers.
From a financial standpoint it is clearly better to go to the NBA.
Now, for guys who won’t be drafted in round 1, the contracts are not guaranteed and you have to make the team. It could probably benefit Evans and Proctor to stay. If they perform well they could get in the first round. Evans, if he gets stronger could be a real force and be a lottery pick a year from now with his shooting ability vs struggling to make a team.
Going in round 2 does not earn a guaranteed deal. You have to make the team. If a team really believes in you as a second rounder you could get a 3 or 4 year deal at $2 million per. Max.
So it’s conceivable they could make as much or more at Duke in NIL. Maybe a bit less. However they could improve their draft stock. On the other hand a player like Proctor - it’s possible being a 2nd round pick in the 40s as he’s predicted to be this year could be the best he is going to get. Another crop of freshmen are entering CBB who will be draft eligible and will Proctor improve his draft stock?
But I’d love it if both stayed and if we retained—a must — Malik Brown. He and Slim are crucial to contending next year. If we had Proctor, Brown, and Evans with the incoming freshmen, we should be really good.
That was brutal. There is no guarantee. Auburn will also have been a lot more battle tested. We will go against at least a few teams that are really physical and play strong D like Clemson but also may have real fire power. That will be a tough run.
That said, this team is a joy to watch with depth as well. Most enjoyable Duke team for me since 2001. We need Malik back for sure and need to stay healthy to have a chance. Touch wood.
What a fun and enjoyable game to experience, as it has been for most of the season. It was great to get Tyrese back out there and it allowed him to knock off some shooting rust before at UNCheat. Wake tried to hit us and be physical early, and we didn't back down, it was the only chance Wake had to make a game of it. This is the best passing Duke team I can remember, and I think that is why Caleb is completely out because he seems to be more of a dribbling 1on1 player. He did look engaged on the bench though when the walk-ons were in.
The Crazies chanting "1 more year" at the end of the game to Cooper, Kon, and Mal was amazing. However, none of them will be back.
Sure, more money could be made at Duke next year with an insane NIL package compared to a rookie NBA contract. But that is pennies compared to the $500 million contract sitting for Cooper once he completes his rookie contract in 4 years, that is why guys leave, it makes them that much closer to the pot of gold.
The Crazies chanting "1 more year" at the end of the game to Cooper, Kon, and Mal was amazing. However, none of them will be back.
Sure, more money could be made at Duke next year with an insane NIL package compared to a rookie NBA contract. But that is pennies compared to the $500 million contract sitting for Cooper once he completes his rookie contract in 4 years, that is why guys leave, it makes them that much closer to the pot of gold.
Definitely concerning that Foster didn't play at all.
We had 18 OR to their 21 DR, so we rebounded nearly half of our own misses for the second game in a row.
Good to see Mason play so well.
What if Mal came back? Hear me out... he'd go high on potential alone, but he could make really good NIL money here as a soph and go even higher next year after realizing some of that potential. It would delay his 2nd NBA contract by a year, but it would have him a year closer to earning a bigger 2nd contract, development-wise. He hasn't been playing basketball that long. If it takes his entire first NBA contract to start developing, that 2nd contract wouldn't be as big.
We had 18 OR to their 21 DR, so we rebounded nearly half of our own misses for the second game in a row.
Good to see Mason play so well.
What if Mal came back? Hear me out... he'd go high on potential alone, but he could make really good NIL money here as a soph and go even higher next year after realizing some of that potential. It would delay his 2nd NBA contract by a year, but it would have him a year closer to earning a bigger 2nd contract, development-wise. He hasn't been playing basketball that long. If it takes his entire first NBA contract to start developing, that 2nd contract wouldn't be as big.
Mal back would be awesome. But I would be more than happy with a front line next year of Maliq and Big Pat, and I think that has been the plan all along, as we haven't recruited a C for this recruiting class. I think we would lose Maliq or Big Pat if Mal comes back.
It's wishful thinking, of course.
Cameron Boozer isn't a true center, but he's definitely a versatile post player. I'd like to see us pick up a post banger (s/o @roshanritter!) in the transfer portal, too.
Cameron Boozer isn't a true center, but he's definitely a versatile post player. I'd like to see us pick up a post banger (s/o @roshanritter!) in the transfer portal, too.
Also the size of literally every single player. When they showed the Seniors getting their framed jerseys, I was struck by how Gillis and James are the same height. We knew that on paper already, but when you see them standing there side by side it hammers home the point. You don't traditionally see your guards standing toe to toe with some of your forwards. This is a HUGE basketball team and there is without question a wear-down effect when you have to compete against this Duke team over the course of a game as a result of all that length.
From the Don Best (oddsmaker) College Basketball Injury Report:
Foster sat out the previous game (Wake Forest) due to an undisclosed injury, and it’s up in the air if he will be active against North Carolina on Saturday.
I don’t remember him getting injured against Florida State but maybe he tweaked something. At least it sounds like it’s an injury and nothing else going on. I’m pulling for him and seems like a great teammate. Get well soon CFos.
Foster sat out the previous game (Wake Forest) due to an undisclosed injury, and it’s up in the air if he will be active against North Carolina on Saturday.
I don’t remember him getting injured against Florida State but maybe he tweaked something. At least it sounds like it’s an injury and nothing else going on. I’m pulling for him and seems like a great teammate. Get well soon CFos.
That's oddly comforting. Hope he recovers quickly.
While it is true Foster has fallen in importance to this year's squad as others have stepped up I still desperately want this young man to succeed.
We have seen so much potential, I would love for him to shake off whatever has held him back from maximizing his potential. I would hate to see him go but even if it is a different environment he needs I hope for him to nurture his spark.
Nolan Smith
Quinn Cook
Tyrese Proctor
Are all examples of Blue Devils who shook off their respective rough Sophomore, Freshman, and Sophomore Seasons to becoming Solid Duke Players for the remainder of their careers. Hopefully Foster follows suit
Quinn Cook
Tyrese Proctor
Are all examples of Blue Devils who shook off their respective rough Sophomore, Freshman, and Sophomore Seasons to becoming Solid Duke Players for the remainder of their careers. Hopefully Foster follows suit
One thing I’d like to see Evans improve on is his shot preparation.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with his aim or touch but, he shoots at least a couple shots a game where he hasn’t even got his shoulders squared and sometimes feet too.
It’s all about your body posture when you receive a pass before you shoot.
Most of the time I know whether his shot is going in or not, just by his release posture.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with his aim or touch but, he shoots at least a couple shots a game where he hasn’t even got his shoulders squared and sometimes feet too.
It’s all about your body posture when you receive a pass before you shoot.
Most of the time I know whether his shot is going in or not, just by his release posture.
The one thing he needs to improve on is his shot selection. A couple of his shots last night were awful decisions.
Foster will be gone after this year in my opinion.
I’ve thought that for a while now.
We’ll probably get a veteran from the portal to start or backup Proctor or Boozer.
We’ll probably get a veteran from the portal to start or backup Proctor or Boozer.
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I don't see Foster coming back next year either. I am fully invested in this years team and if we win the national title than I don't care if everyone leaves.
However, I think priority #1 for the offseason will be getting Evans and Proctor back. Keeping Maliq and Big Pat will be crucial too.
However, I think priority #1 for the offseason will be getting Evans and Proctor back. Keeping Maliq and Big Pat will be crucial too.
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