Offensive line

[BKCBully]

I think if we are decent here, we have enough offensive talent to have as good a year as 2014. Go ahead rip me apart I dont care, I said what i wanted to.

 

[57stratdawg]

Can't be worse than last year.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Allright then, Ok, but the New QB's

have to show that they

can manage the team,

& quickly make the proper reads.

I think they can make the throws.

 

[BKCBully]

I feel like our presumed starter right now will have the ability to learn quickly from his mistakes on the field, but i could be wrong.

 

[121Josey]

State has more talent per position but less game experience. There's ?'s in every position group, none of that in 2014. Maybe in 2017.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

MSU will actually have 3 Seniors on the OL this year---Justin Senior, Devon Desper, and Jamal Clayborn---so hopefully the OL will come together quickly.

Our Skill Position guys are good too---add to that good Special Team units and an improved Defense and I start to get a little bit of wool growth. But then I see the inexperience combined with a tough slate of Road games---BYU, LSU, Alabama, and Ole Miss---and some of my wool falls out.

 

[ShrubDog]

We have to play nasty and jack folks up.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

We don't have a Josh Robinson. People forget how awesome he was until the Bama game

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Josh Robinson really did make that 2014 Offense work---the LSU game that season he had huge runs from just simple Inside Zone Running plays.

And having success with the Inside Zone play makes Mullen's Offense work---just like the long runs Demps, Rainy, and Harvin made for Florida from the Inside Zone.

The problem is Dan can't seem to figure out WHO should run the Inside Zone for MSU. Some RBs are just not suited to run between the Tackles---Perkins up the middle---Hollaway up the middle---Shumpert up the middle. In 2014 if Perkins had still been on the team, I doubt that Josh Robinson would have seen the field very much. Our 2014 Running game success was not a credit to Dan's RB personnel management, but just simply that Josh was the only guy left to choose.

I think we have a Josh Robinson style runner on our team right now...but we are making him play WR instead.

 

[coachnorm]

Josh Robinson really did make that 2014 Offense work---the LSU game that season he had huge runs from just simple Inside Zone Running plays.

And having success with the Inside Zone play makes Mullen's Offense work---just like the long runs Demps, Rainy, and Harvin made for Florida from the Inside Zone.

The problem is Dan can't seem to figure out WHO should run the Inside Zone for MSU. Some RBs are just not suited to run between the Tackles---Perkins up the middle---Hollaway up the middle---Shumpert up the middle. In 2014 if Perkins had still been on the team, I doubt that Josh Robinson would have seen the field very much. Our 2014 Running game success was not a credit to Dan's RB personnel management, but just simply that Josh was the only guy left to choose.

I think we have a Josh Robinson style runner on our team right now...but we are making him play WR instead.

A great back corrects things. He makes average O.L. play appear better. Marshall Faulk changed College Football in San Diego. While at San Diego State O. Linemen were First round draft picks when Faulk was there? A huge question for us is if Shumpert is sent to defense where he may have a chance at the NFL like Tony Jefferson of the Arizona Cardinals? Oklahoma relegated Jefferson to defense and saved him.

If Shumpert carries the ball that means that O. Linemen will be not be seen by NFL scouts blocking great. Do not be fooled about recruits, they do their due diligence. If they see Shumpert carry the ball, they will not put their perceived careers at risk, they will go some ware else. Other SEC recruiting against MSU will ask O Line recruits if they can trust Mullen not to play backs like Shumpert.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

It is*

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[rugbdawg]

A quick Google search of San Diego State reveals that they had only two Olineman drafted during and around Faulk's career. The two were 6th and 8th round picks. What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't make any difference. If you are a good Olineman and you develop, you will get drafted.

 

[Shmuley]

Average to below average. Standard Mullins material. And no depth.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

Average to below average. Standard Mullins material. And no depth.

I agree. Year after year same thing. Very doubtful we will ever get to Atlanta with this coaching staff.

 

[coachnorm]

A quick Google search of San Diego State reveals that they had only two Olineman drafted during and around Faulk's career. The two were 6th and 8th round picks. What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't make any difference. If you are a good Olineman and you develop, you will get drafted.

Hi rugbdawg,

Did Kyle Turley and Ephram Saalam go in the first round in the same year? Yes, I missed it by a year or so, and I stand corrected, I still stick with the statement that a back will profoundly influence whether his O Linemen will get drafted because the back can react to the point that a missed block will not be recognized.

 

[121Josey]

I still stick with the statement that a back will profoundly influence whether his O Linemen will get drafted because the back can react to the point that a missed block will not be recognized.

Coachnorm, do you think that scouts watch the RB when they watch game film on OL? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[coachnorm]

Coachnorm, do you think that scouts watch the RB when they watch game film on OL? I'll hang up and listen.

Hi 121Josey,

The action of the back sometimes sets up the defensive response. That response sets up angles and blocking positions that benefit the blockers thus easier blocks and success for the O. Line. I understand and agree with your thought process but if blocking becomes easier with a great back. That success adds up to a better portfolio for an offensive lineman. An out of position defender is easier to block in the architecture of a designed play. A great back stresses the defense and a stressed defense can loose focus and get out of position.

If you could vision an O Lineman with about a Thousand snaps a season, how many potential plays will be available that he will be on digital? Could you vision how many addition great blocks will be available for NFL Scouts, to observe, if there are great backs behind him because the table has been set? I believe that you are correct but also I believe that the back comes into play also.

Looking forward to buying you a drink at Hucks in Columbus

 

[121Josey]

I agree. Year after year same thing. Very doubtful we will ever get to Atlanta with this coaching staff.

I agree. Since its inception, only 8 times (of 24) has a team not from the state of Alabama played in the SECCG. Most of those were while Bama was on probation. We need their coaching staffs.**

 

[rugbdawg]

Wow. Faulk graduated in 1993. Salaam and Turley graduated in 1998 and were drafted in 1998?!!! They did NOT even play together. Again, what the flying hell are you talking about?!!!

 

[rugbdawg]

Just to clarify. Your example is ridiculous, completely inaccurate, and not based in reality.

 

[57stratdawg]

Agreed. Also, this will be Hev's last year.

 

[coachnorm]

Wow. Faulk graduated in 1993. Salaam and Turley graduated in 1998 and were drafted in 1998?!!! They did NOT even play together. Again, what the flying hell are you talking about?!!!

How many times do I have to state I stand corrected?

 

[Bucksnort_Dawg]

Josh Robinson really did make that 2014 Offense work---the LSU game that season he had huge runs from just simple Inside Zone Running plays.

And having success with the Inside Zone play makes Mullen's Offense work---just like the long runs Demps, Rainy, and Harvin made for Florida from the Inside Zone.

The problem is Dan can't seem to figure out WHO should run the Inside Zone for MSU. Some RBs are just not suited to run between the Tackles---Perkins up the middle---Hollaway up the middle---Shumpert up the middle. In 2014 if Perkins had still been on the team, I doubt that Josh Robinson would have seen the field very much. Our 2014 Running game success was not a credit to Dan's RB personnel management, but just simply that Josh was the only guy left to choose.

I think we have a Josh Robinson style runner on our team right now...but we are making him play WR instead.

My thought exactly. I assume you're referring to Malik Dear. Kid is built like an Abrams tank. Why he is listed at WR is beyond me.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

My thought exactly. I assume you're referring to Malik Dear. Kid is built like an Abrams tank. Why he is listed at WR is beyond me.

I thought it was Dear's choice to play WR. Amarite?

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

No way. The is the McCorvey of this era. He's like a captain is to a sinking ship. He ain't 17ing going anywhere. And I get that he's not a great recruiter, but he hasn't done a bad job as a coach. And it's also not like he is the only person who recruits the OL. Coaches have territories and they aren't pulling in studs either. I just don't think our staff as a whole puts a big enough emphasis on out of state OL recruiting. MS doesn't produce enough OL talent and it kills us