Odom out at Mizzou
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Wonder if Mizzou tries to bring Josh Heupel back?
Odom would be a good D.C., but I think he'll get the Memphis job when Norvell leaves.
Odom would be a good D.C., but I think he'll get the Memphis job when Norvell leaves.
So Missouri won't settle for mediocrity?
Interesting to consider the expectations at two former Big 12 schools.
Interesting to consider the expectations at two former Big 12 schools.
That’s one way to look at it. Seems you have the perspective that firing a coach is always a good thing and always leads to better.
bowl game 3 of 4 years - averaged greater than 6 wins per year
were there other issues or is Missouri just not going to settle for this type of record?
were there other issues or is Missouri just not going to settle for this type of record?
My wife’s family is pretty dialed into the Mizzou athletic department, I will have to ask. This surprises me, Odom was a former Mizzou DC and they had some success. It’s not like they were accustomed to winning at a higher level than he achieved. I know they were pretty pleased with him last year.
Silly decision on the surface....but I admit I don't know anything that school or if there could be something else that Joe public is not aware of....if there is nothing else, if this was strictly a football decision, it was a dumb one.
Will Muschamp also might be available after this season. Another great defensive coordinator who is not a great head coach. I'd offer him $2 million/year if I were Coach Frost.
The issue is that most great defensive coordinators will not want to coach with Frost because of the type of offense he runs.
The issue is that most great defensive coordinators will not want to coach with Frost because of the type of offense he runs.
That would give me a never ending erection. Our offense really shouldn’t be that big of a hindrance. We don’t really go that fast and almost everyone is now using some sort of spread, up tempo offense.
I’m no expert on contract negotiations but I’d assume if a team was planning on firing a coach and they gave them an extension there are a few crafty ways to work that, one re word the verbiage in the buy out clause, or two maybe front load some money... I’d be willing to bet you could fool the negotiations by offering some more money on the annual salary and decreasing the buy out... make it look like it’s an equal give and take or another way possibly offer a larger signing bonus with smaller annual then verbiage to the buy out saying we will pay x percent of salary for remaining on contract.... My point being is there has got to be some pretty crafty ways offer an extension to give the looks of stability but having the reality of making it a little easier to get out from under said contract... but that is all speculation on my end since I have never dealt with negotiations like that
I have a post grad degree from Mizzou. They're delusional. They're on probation through no fault of their head coach and they canned a guy who probably gave them their best chance of getting to competitiveness in the SEC. Look at the list of names they're considering to replace him. They're screwed.
There's a whole list of coordinators I've seen. From App St's HC to Clemson's OC. They're going to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Wishful thinking.
I love the idea but I doubt that Muschamp would be willing to be a DC for a coach with Frost's philosophy of what he wants out of a defense. Plus I doubt Frost would want someone with Muschamps outspoken personality on his staff. I would like to see that though.
They're all good options but they'll never win enough for the knuckleheads at Mizzou. They think they should beat Bama and Georgia with crappy facilities and a non-supportive administration. Given what Mizzou went through just a few years ago, they should have kissed the guy's *** and begged him to stay.
You're probably right, but my point is that nearly every coach who gets fired recently signed a contract extension, and nearly every coach who quits to take a better job recently signed a contract extension. Yet we like to pretend this is all lost on prized recruits and their parents, as if they are the only people on Earth who still think coaches remain at a school through the end of their contracts.
I think it's pretty evident that Nebraska made a huge commitment to keep Frost at NU for a long time. There's never any guarantees but man, Nebraska doesn't do this for anybody. The only thing rival schools could have possible used is that NU might can him. There's no way in hell with that contract that Frost is going anywhere anytime soon. No chance.
Why are you acting like athletic departments are competently run? They are driven by donations as the margin is actually pretty small between earned and spent. And donations come from pretty petulant rich people who like to be entertained just like smaller and poorer message board ilk. If you don't entertain them by winning then you better expect to entertain them through a firing, and then hiring of some other smuck that non-football people approve of...generally based on poor misconceptions of being blue collar, or being a legacy, or having won with some other school 15 years before. Occasionally a smart AD will manipulate the boosters and go with an unknown by the name of Bob, or Urban, or Nick and get away with it.
There was no chance he was going to be fired anytime soon before he got the extension.
I agree but that the perception from the outside might not have reflected that. There were some national media outlets that were starting the narrative that he was on the hotseat or at least raising the question. That completely nipped that. Now the only narrative can be is that Nebraska is all in on Frost. We HAVE to recruit well these next couple of years to get this thing going.
How exactly has the extension "nipped" that?
I don't want Frost to get fired, nor do I think he'll get fired. But Bill Moos writing a post-dated check for an extra $10 million does not do one damn thing to change the fact that if the day comes when Moos has to fire Frost, he will.
You don't think an extra $10 million doesn't change anything? Really? Surely you jest. I'm talking about the internet "coach's hot seat" blog or whatever the hell it is and the story that ran from CBS? sports. There was commentary about Frost's job security on national radio shows and in print on the net. Those are completely gone. The narrative changed from "is Frost on the hot seat" to silence. There's been no more speculation about his job security and that's an indisputable fact...for now.
Any coach who was using negative recruiting tactics against Frost before the extension will still be using them after the extension. Emboldened by the fact that contract extensions do not mean jack squat in terms of how long a coach will be around.
ADs are so good at throwing away other peoples' money that they've rendered contract extensions meaningless, with Odom being the latest example.
When a coach doesn't have a national news story to back up his claims, it's helpful. I'm not sure why you're so adamant that an extension doesn't help a coach on the recruiting trail. It changes the narrative at least for the near term. Personally I'm glad they did it. We can NOT keep firing coaches every 3 years and hope to build anything. You lose a recruiting class every time you do it between the late start and then the guys how don't fit what the new coach wants to do. We HAVE to have some stability. We've got a smart young coach who loves the program and we need to do EVERYTHING we can to support him. Everybody including the Regents, Green and Moos thought this was the right thing to do. Everybody other than some message board posters are finally pulling in the same direction.
Because nobody takes contract extensions seriously anymore. Not ADs who want to fire coaches. Not coaches who want to take a better jobs. So why would anyone else?