OC candidates?

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Lol. Not it’s not

why not? Flood was recruiting Jack Coan. And Artur can be as good as him one day. Jonathan Taylor was once committed to us.
Develop the OL and we’re good to go.

I don’t see mason Rudolph, Jon fields, or jalon hurts walking through our door.

Based on the talent we can get, it’ll be easier for us to emulate Wisconsin, than OU, PSU, and Both OSUs.

 

[Wolv RU]

let’s hear your plan to realistically emulate OSU. Specifically, Where are we going to source OSU caliber talent from?

The point is they don't need to be Oklahoma State immediately. They need to select a system that allows for success in 2020 and beyond. That means a scheme that will take advantage of all 11 players on the field on offense, and not play 10 (or less) on 11, which was common a few years ago.

You have missed the point several times. It is not about run / pass split. It is about maximizing the talent that can be recruited, whatever it is, to be successful.

None of this should be a secret to anyone that follows college football closely. Shoot, it isn't even a secret to Nunzio.

It is just downright foolish to not recognize that the game has changed. Many have argued that GS has also changed / improved. If that is the case, then he won't be trying to turn back the clock to 2008 with his hires and scheme selection.

 

[bitnez]

If Schiano was capable of developing and overseeing a productive offense, Ohio State would have hired him to be HC. Instead, they chose a much more inexperienced guy. We see now that OSU made the right decision. Why should we make the mistake that Ohio State didn't ?

There’s no denying they chose Day but don’t make it like they picked some nobody coach over him. Day is a superstar and would’ve easily gotten NFL OC jobs last offseason and very likely is going to be a top HC candidate this year.

 

[OriginalKnight]

Dana Bible will be our next OC.

 

[MADHAT1]

If anybody but GS brought him back this board would riot, not me as I don't do that lol, but many others so GS bringing him back should be seen in the same light as any other HC bringing him back. I wasn't enthused when Ash brought him in and wouldn't be enthused if GS brings him in.

I thought John would make the RU offense play better in his second year as Ash's OC.
Also thought Ash was making the right move when he first brought McNulty back.

John had his chance and failed miserably, no need to give him another chance.
If Schiano does, it might prove the nay sayers right when they claim coaches don't want to work under Greg.
I don't think tat's true and if Hobbs gives Schiano ( or anyone he hires) a decent staff salary allotment, a far better OC than McNulty can be had.
The question is: will Greg give his OC a free hand or not.
If it's an or not, might as well bring John back because the O is one strike behind before even getting to bat.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

why not? Flood was recruiting Jack Coan. And Artur can be as good as him one day. Jonathan Taylor was once committed to us.
Develop the OL and we’re good to go.

I don’t see mason Rudolph, Jon fields, or jalon hurts walking through our door.

Based on the talent we can get, it’ll be easier for us to emulate Wisconsin, than OU, PSU, and Both OSUs.

You don't need Hurts, Rudolph, Fields walking through the door....

Kedon Slovis 3 star USC, Anthony Gordon no star WSU, Mason Fine 2 star UNT, Brock Purdy 3 star ISU, Gardner Minshew 3 star transfer from ECU to WSU, Nic Shimonek 3 star transfer from Iowa to TT, Shane Buechele 4 star transfer from Texas to SMU....and many of them are listed as pro style guys...and guess what all have been productive qbs for lower status schools....well not Slovis forgot to caveat that lol.

Like I said give me a capable OC who can identify the quality qbs and has a good system (spread) and we'll be fine....we don't have to be recruiting superstar qbs out of high school.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

The point is they don't need to be Oklahoma State immediately. They need to select a system that allows for success in 2020 and beyond. That means a scheme that will take advantage of all 11 players on the field on offense, and not play 10 (or less) on 11, which was common a few years ago.

You have missed the point several times. It is not about run / pass split. It is about maximizing the talent that can be recruited, whatever it is, to be successful.

None of this should be a secret to anyone that follows college football closely. Shoot, it isn't even a secret to Nunzio.

It is just downright foolish to not recognize that the game has changed. Many have argued that GS has also changed / improved. If that is the case, then he won't be trying to turn back the clock to 2008 with his hires and scheme selection.

you’re missing my point. Wisconsin and Iowa are successful despite the game changing. Rutgers cannot recruit the talent needed to make the air raid as successful as it is at OSU and OU, because you need a great spread QB to make it work, and you need Great WRs.

your contention that we simply install an air raid offense and great players will automatically walk through our door is ludicrous.

If we were so hell bent on making the air raid work at Rutgers, you go out and hire a mike leach disciple as head coach, and you say, we’re going to make the air raid work come hell or high water. But that’s not what we did.

Im looking at our history and saying, we can consistently recruit solid RBs, tight ends, and ultimately develop an OL, obviously not overnight. Our history recruiting WRs has been hit and miss with more misses than hits. And rarely has a QB turned in an exceptional season for us.

that’s why I think our maximum success comes with an offensive philosophy that allows us to run the ball and stop the run. Don’t get me wrong, bring in joe Brady, Phil longo, or Kevin Wilson, and Im happy as a clam. I just don’t see an Air Raid at Rutgers.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

you’re missing my point. Wisconsin and Iowa are successful despite the game changing. Rutgers cannot recruit the talent needed to make the air raid as successful as it is at OSU and OU, because you need a great spread QB to make it work, and you need Great WRs.

your contention that we simply install an air raid offense and great players will automatically walk through our door is ludicrous.

If we were so hell bent on making the air raid work at Rutgers, you go out and hire a mike leach disciple as head coach, and you say, we’re going to make the air raid work come hell or high water. But that’s not what we did.

Im looking at our history and saying, we can consistently recruit solid RBs, tight ends, and ultimately develop an OL, obviously not overnight. Our history recruiting WRs has been hit and miss with more misses than hits. And rarely has a QB turned in an exceptional season for us.

that’s why I think our maximum success comes with an offensive philosophy that allows us to run the ball and stop the run. Don’t get me wrong, bring in joe Brady, Phil longo, or Kevin Wilson, and Im happy as a clam. I just don’t see an Air Raid at Rutgers.

That's the thing and I've said this before....Iowa/Wisconsin/MSU type schools are about as low down the college status totem pole you can go for a pro style team to work...you don't see any teams of our status or G5 doing it with any success and there's a reason for that.

 

[OriginalKnight]

Then expect a lot of losing. If we don't implement an O that has designed runs and RPO's for the QB we won't ever be able to compete in this division. Schiano or not, we will never be able to recruit like the big boys on a consistent basis. We can't play them in a phone booth. It's lunacy.

Gary’s last year he had a top 25 class in the watered down Big East. Now he will be recruiting in the Big 10, with much better facilities than he had before and more are coming. Why won’t he be able to recruit with the big boys?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Posted this from an article about the Alabama/LSU game in the other thread about Brady...not a Leach tree guy but sounds a lot like what I've posted about Leach and his tree of guys in the past.....KISS and repetition til perfection.

From the article:

The rise of LSU passing game coordinator Joe Brady has been perhaps the most unexpected story of this college football season. He wasn’t even a position coach with the Saints before coming to LSU and ushering the school’s notoriously antiquated offense to the forefront of the current generation.

What’s so special about the LSU passing game?

“They have great skill players, which really helps a receiver,” said a coach who has faced them. “I think they’re finally using the talent that’s been there. Burrow was good before, but he wasn’t this good. There’s nothing exotic about what they’re doing. They have very few pass concepts. Very few run concepts. They just do it over and over, and they have answers and [counters] to different looks. The confidence he’s playing with, you can tell he’s run the same thing over and over and over again.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/5-keys-coaches-break-down-lsu-alabama-205519116.html

 

[NickRU714]

Gary’s last year he had a top 25 class in the watered down Big East. Now he will be recruiting in the Big 10, with much better facilities than he had before and more are coming. Why won’t he be able to recruit with the big boys?

Ask @rutgersal

He's the one saying Schiano can't recruit with Penn State.
"Based on the talent we can get, it’ll be easier for us to emulate Wisconsin, than OU, PSU, and Both OSUs."

I thougut Schiano was the recruiting guru who would instantly be able to turn heads in NJ.

Now its sounding like recruiting won't really improve at all?
Maybe Schiano isn't the answer after all?

 

[WhiteBus]

Well everyone is assuming it's going to be GS especially with BJ withdrawing his name...you have any info that's not happening?

No info of it not happening. No info it is. Some of you are so gullible with anonymous post of people on here. We had 1 clown who posted two weeks ago that the contract was already signed and many believed it.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

No info of it not happening. No info it is. Some of you are so gullible with anonymous post of people on here. We had 1 clown who posted two weeks ago that the contract was already signed and many believed it.

Not gullible but just accept the sharing of info as long as it’s with good intentions....if it turns out right fine and if turns out wrong fine too and it’s not the like the local media hasn’t been pointing in the direction of GS too.

I don’t take it that serious what’s gonna happen is gonna happen not in my control and like I said before everyone likes gossip and rumors lol.

 

[WhiteBus]

Not gullible but just accept the sharing of info as long as it’s with good intentions....if it turns out right fine and if turns out wrong fine too and it’s not the like the local media hasn’t been pointing in the direction of GS too.

I don’t take it that serious what’s gonna happen is gonna happen not in my control and like I said before everyone likes gossip and rumors lol.

Normally I agree with you but it's already been a long process with very little info. What was the point of firing Ash so early if you weren't even remotely ready to hire someone.

 

[BOGDANOVICH]

If Schiano hires McNulty, then many of his fervent supporters will become his detractors.

 

[vkj91]

Sure we have everything to run Oklahoma States offense. The only thing we’re missing is the first round draft pick quarterback, Mason Rudolph, receivers who can catch, like All American Tylan Wallace, and lineman who can block. Come on man!

our offense has to be effective, even if we have a game manager type quarterback, because more often than not, this is what we can recruit. Mason Randolph and Jalon Hurts are both averaging well over 300 passing yards a game. It took Mike teel and Gary nova 3 to 3.5 years to play with this level of proficiency.

when is the last time we had an ou/OSU caliber of quarterback? The only kid who was significantly productive right away was Mike McMahon, but he was an anomaly.

Ash was 100% committed to the spread, till he had trouble recruiting spread quarterbacks who could succeed at this level. NJ doesn’t produce a lot of quarterbacks, who can succeed at this level, and even when it does once in a blue moon, those quarterbacks will end up at Penn State like Taquan Roberson.

it makes sense to run a pro style offense because it allows us to different ourselves in recruiting, so that we’re not competing with Ohio state, penn state, and most college football teams in America for the same excellent spread quarterbacks. As Tim Pernetti used to say, “We’re a prostyle shop”.

We can get solid pro style quarterbacks in the state of Rutgers, and have them run a multiple offense.

now the man will decide what offense he’s going to run. But I’d be very surprised if he makes a dramatic departure from what he’s done in the past because he isn’t the type to do so.

get Bob Bostad in here, get some quality linemen in here, and we’re good to go.

So much wrong in this post, I honestly don’t know where to begin. I’ll just ask some simple questions. Do all the MAC school run spread because it’s harder to recruit for? Please name me the non “blue bloods” that still run pro style?please name me the N.J. HS’s they are still running pro style

 

[RUNVA]

After going through these 3 pages I am going with: Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, or Old Crow.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

As my dear ol pappy used to say you'll get what you get Now STFU and go to bed....

 

[Knight Shift]

You've been repeating this same terrible argument for 4 years now.

The same thing was said when DM "had" to be replaced after 2016...when Kill was hired to kill the offense in 2017....then repeated when McN was hired in 2018....then repeated again when we "had" to keep McN for offensive continuity for 2019.

I believe exact quotes after 2016 were "we don't have time implement a spread offense! We need to go back to a run-first pro-style! That is what the roster already knows! We need to win quickly."

How did that work out?
I'll save you the research time.
Progressively worst offenses each year leading to the disaster seasons of "savior McN - best OC in history of RU".


Why do you have so little faith in Schiano to rebuild the team?
You don't have enough faith in Schiano to give him a couple years to build a "strong foundation"?

Careful- Al will put you on upset alert on the impending hire of McNulty. BTW, I agree with you.

 

[Knight Shift]

Matt Canada!!! He had success in the conference, and his motion offense allows a team with lesser personnel to cause some difficulties. Best part is, he’s available!

Don't know why his name does not come up more often.

 

[ArminRU]

Matt Canada!!! He had success in the conference, and his motion offense allows a team with lesser personnel to cause some difficulties. Best part is, he’s available!

Matt Canada would be awesome, but apparently he wants a head coaching gig.

 

[Rufaninga]

Matt Canada would be awesome, but apparently he wants a head coaching gig.

You can't always get what you want.
You can try sometimes

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

You don't need Hurts, Rudolph, Fields walking through the door....

Kedon Slovis 3 star USC, Anthony Gordon no star WSU, Mason Fine 2 star UNT, Brock Purdy 3 star ISU, Gardner Minshew 3 star transfer from ECU to WSU, Nic Shimonek 3 star transfer from Iowa to TT, Shane Buechele 4 star transfer from Texas to SMU....and many of them are listed as pro style guys...and guess what all have been productive qbs for lower status schools....well not Slovis forgot to caveat that lol.

Like I said give me a capable OC who can identify the quality qbs and has a good system (spread) and we'll be fine....we don't have to be recruiting superstar qbs out of high school.

well that’s the rub, isn’t it. A capable OC, that’s willing to come to Rutgers, at our price point, with the attention to detail that helps him identify 2 and 3 star QBs and WRs who can play at this level.

What do the schools you cited have that we don’t? Great skill players, especially in the case of USC, who pulls in boatloads of 4 stars.

I couldn’t help but notice, that of all the qbs you cited, none were from this area. You make interesting suggestions, but they’re almost never geographically relevant. And we’re not going to Timbuktu to recruit a QB.

the four spread qbs who are from this area, Kenny Pickett, Anthony Brown, Tommy Devito, and Jarrett Guarantano, are ok but they aren’t that great. That’s the caliber of quarterback we can land most years.

Artur, if he stays, will be just as good as all of them.
He threw for 304 yards vs Boston College, which shows as long as he can get some semblance of protection, he can be successful. And next year he’d have a decent complement of WRs to throw to. #83 can play. #88 can play too, but he’s redshirting. #10 and #11 can also play. Add in ahmir Robinson, and Chris Long, and we’ll have a chance to be much improved offensively. So I’m not seeing the incremental value add that the spread will provide to us. Add some line help, and we should at least be decent and not horrid.

just don’t see the value in blowing things up offensively and starting over. But if the man decides he wants to do that, he decides.

 

[RUevolution36]

well that’s the rub, isn’t it. A capable OC, that’s willing to come to Rutgers, at our price point, with the attention to detail that helps him identify 2 and 3 star QBs and WRs who can play at this level.

What do the schools you cited have that we don’t? Great skill players, especially in the case of USC, who pulls in boatloads of 4 stars.

I couldn’t help but notice, that of all the qbs you cited, none were from this area. You make interesting suggestions, but they’re almost never geographically relevant. And we’re not going to Timbuktu to recruit a QB.

the four spread qbs who are from this area, Kenny Pickett, Anthony Brown, Tommy Devito, and Jarrett Guarantano, are ok but they aren’t that great. That’s the caliber of quarterback we can land most years.

Artur, if he stays, will be just as good as all of them.
He threw for 304 yards vs Boston College, which shows as long as he can get some semblance of protection, he can be successful. And next year he’d have a decent complement of WRs to throw to. #83 can play. #88 can play too, but he’s redshirting. #10 and #11 can also play. Add in ahmir Robinson, and Chris Long, and we’ll have a chance to be much improved offensively. So I’m not seeing the incremental value add that the spread will provide to us. Add some line help, and we should at least be decent and not horrid.

just don’t see the value in blowing things up offensively and starting over. But if the man decides he wants to do that, he decides.

There's nothing to blow up. No reason not to go spread. It doesn't have to be spread option. Art can play in the spread. Kayron and Blackshear are probably better utilized in a spread. Young and Pacheco can go either way. We have a bazillion WR on the roster, might as well get as many as possible on the field at a time. Our starting TE is not built to be an in line blocker. The only thing we don't have at a potentially serviceable level is an OL who can block and an OC who can make adjustments. Hit the transfer portal, recruit some big uglies, get a good OL coach. Most importantly, hire a guy to be OC who has a philosophy that is consistent, but can adapt to situations on game day. We haven't had any consistency in approach or ability to make in game adjustments in years.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

well that’s the rub, isn’t it. A capable OC, that’s willing to come to Rutgers, at our price point, with the attention to detail that helps him identify 2 and 3 star QBs and WRs who can play at this level.

What do the schools you cited have that we don’t? Great skill players, especially in the case of USC, who pulls in boatloads of 4 stars.

I couldn’t help but notice, that of all the qbs you cited, none were from this area. You make interesting suggestions, but they’re almost never geographically relevant. And we’re not going to Timbuktu to recruit a QB.

the four spread qbs who are from this area, Kenny Pickett, Anthony Brown, Tommy Devito, and Jarrett Guarantano, are ok but they aren’t that great. That’s the caliber of quarterback we can land most years.

Artur, if he stays, will be just as good as all of them.
He threw for 304 yards vs Boston College, which shows as long as he can get some semblance of protection, he can be successful. And next year he’d have a decent complement of WRs to throw to. #83 can play. #88 can play too, but he’s redshirting. #10 and #11 can also play. Add in ahmir Robinson, and Chris Long, and we’ll have a chance to be much improved offensively. So I’m not seeing the incremental value add that the spread will provide to us. Add some line help, and we should at least be decent and not horrid.

just don’t see the value in blowing things up offensively and starting over. But if the man decides he wants to do that, he decides.

We’re not going to Timbuktu? Where were Carter, Allen, Bolin from certainly not here... problem isn’t that we won’t go elsewhere to get a qb it’s that we don’t identify good ones when we do.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Don't know what UNC is paying him but Phil Longo is another solid name and NJ roots as well....not Leach tree but Leach disciple.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Here’s a possibility, since he was Schiano’s WR Coach at Tampa. John Garrett, Jason’s brother.
He does run a prostyle offense, which I know rutgersguy1 won’t like. Princeton Grad.

https://www.goleopards.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/john-garrett/452

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Here’s a possibility, since he was Schiano’s WR Coach at Tampa. John Garrett, Jason’s brother.
He does run a prostyle offense, which I know rutgersguy1 won’t like. Princeton Grad.

https://www.goleopards.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/john-garrett/452

Not a like for the choice but for the acknowledgement haha.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Don't know what UNC is paying him but Phil Longo is another solid name and NJ roots as well....not Leach tree but Leach disciple.

he’s going to be a tough pull, since he’s got an incredible qb.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

he’s going to be a tough pull, since he’s got an incredible qb.

salary too he was making 700K at Ole Miss but they let him go for Rich Rod...couldn't find his current salary at UNC

knock was he put up big numbers against lighter competition but against better SEC teams not so much

 

[trotter]

Please, no more McNulty...

This!

 

[R U Crazy]

A Strange thought pops in my head when people mention McNulty.
If he was hired...would he get his severance package and his salary?
That would be a sweet deal .

I don't think there is anyway RU would hire McNulty back....but stranger things have happened.

 

[rurahrah000]

This!

if you believe that Schiano coming back was in works for a while, they would not have fired McNulty to turn around and rehire him.

 

[NickRU714]

Careful- Al will put you on upset alert on the impending hire of McNulty. BTW, I agree with you.

Just shocking that Al is so negative on Schiano's abilty to recruit NJ elite talent.

If Al keeps saying how Schiano will lose top NJ talent to PSU then I might have to put him on ignore to get away from his Schiano bashing.

 

[WhoRU?]

Rich Rod. Ask him to commit for three years or when he beats Michigan, whichever comes first.

 

[NBKnight]

There's nothing to blow up. No reason not to go spread. It doesn't have to be spread option. Art can play in the spread. Kayron and Blackshear are probably better utilized in a spread. Young and Pacheco can go either way. We have a bazillion WR on the roster, might as well get as many as possible on the field at a time. Our starting TE is not built to be an in line blocker. The only thing we don't have at a potentially serviceable level is an OL who can block and an OC who can make adjustments. Hit the transfer portal, recruit some big uglies, get a good OL coach. Most importantly, hire a guy to be OC who has a philosophy that is consistent, but can adapt to situations on game day. We haven't had any consistency in approach or ability to make in game adjustments in years.

You don't need Hurts, Rudolph, Fields walking through the door....

Kedon Slovis 3 star USC, Anthony Gordon no star WSU, Mason Fine 2 star UNT, Brock Purdy 3 star ISU, Gardner Minshew 3 star transfer from ECU to WSU, Nic Shimonek 3 star transfer from Iowa to TT, Shane Buechele 4 star transfer from Texas to SMU....and many of them are listed as pro style guys...and guess what all have been productive qbs for lower status schools....well not Slovis forgot to caveat that lol.

Like I said give me a capable OC who can identify the quality qbs and has a good system (spread) and we'll be fine....we don't have to be recruiting superstar qbs out of high school.

I am watching Minnesota PSU, Tanner Morgan was a 5.5 3* recruit with 3 P5 offers, Minnesota, L’ville and Wake. Is a perfect example of a guy who can run a spread offense without being an elite recruit.

What ever you run, you need guys to block.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I recently read a story where Urban Meyer credited his Utah QB, Alex Smith, with inventing the RPO.

How is that for a qualification that you need the right QB to make it work. That QB invented it on-the-fly. He saw a running play would not work and just kept the ball. And he kept doing that.. then Urban Meyer began experimenting with it.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I recently read a story where Urban Meyer credited his Utah QB, Alex Smith, with inventing the RPO.

How is that for a qualification that you need the right QB to make it work. That QB invented it on-the-fly. He saw a running play would not work and just kept the ball. And he kept doing that.. then Urban Meyer began experimenting with it.

Yup I've seen him mention that in an interview as well.

 

[dontestrond]

He needs to go get Matt Canada for OC. I don’t think he is working at all. Also, I would put Ray Rice on my staff as RB coach if possible. Just my opinion.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

For those thinking of Brady. LSU isn't letting him get away for financial reasons the same way they didn't let Aranda get away. I'd guess they'd go higher too if necessary. I'd think he'd only leave for a high G5 or only P5 or NFL OC maybe short of that why leave...because LSU is always going to have tons of talent. Just depends on how happy he is at LSU I suppose but money likely won't be a reason for going.

From the article:

A source told Yahoo Sports on Saturday that LSU officials engaged Brady about a raise and contract extension during LSU’s bye week. LSU is prepared to pay Brady NFL coordinator market value – think in the neighborhood of $1.5 million – and could have a deal by the end of the regular season. (Brady makes $400,000 on his current deal.) The source noted the importance of LSU keeping Brady, who has been the season’s breakout coaching star.

The key hire to unlock all of LSU’s talent came from pass game coordinator Joe Brady, who stands to make millions after eviscerating a Nick Saban defense for those 559 yards. Brady brought the New Orleans Saints’ quick pass game and combined it with Joe Moorhead’s innovative RPO game to build an unstoppable offense. Credit LSU’s play-calling for remaining aggressive in the fourth quarter of a tight game, much like they did at Texas earlier in the season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/joe-burrow...college-football-playoff-hopes-011904824.html