OC candidates?

[Shelby65]

Greg probably already burned this bridge. He demoted Craig Ver Steeg, OC of maybe the best offensive team we ever had in 2006 with McNulty right before the Texas Bowl. I remember thinking at the time that CVS was demoted only because his success was too threatening for Schiano's ego. Schiano requires Yes men beneath him and CVS was much more than that.

Harbaugh hired him soon after and he's been there ever since, working with Flacco, Rice, Lamar Jackson, etc. Would be a great hire, but not someone Schiano can work with unfortunately. Too qualified.

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/coaches-roster/craig-ver-steeg

 

[vkj91]

I would expect our offense to be something like Wisconsin

Then expect a lot of losing. If we don't implement an O that has designed runs and RPO's for the QB we won't ever be able to compete in this division. Schiano or not, we will never be able to recruit like the big boys on a consistent basis. We can't play them in a phone booth. It's lunacy.

 

[graystork]

McNulty was running pretty close to a spread option when he left. Blackshear on the wing, Pacheco alongside shotgun QB. Blackshear runs the wing sweep, Pacheco up the middle. There's many kinds of spread, including run-first types.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Anyone have info on who GS has in mind?

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-offense-completely-changed-thanks-joe-brady

I vote for this guy. From my alma mater and sounds like a go getter. Plus that LSU offense is pretty damn good right now.

Why would he leave LSU to come to Rutgers? He can do better. Especially if LSU wins a National Championship.

 

[gozer56]

it just so happens the players on the roster fit the philosophy of what Schiano wants to do, which is run first. He’s not junking his philosophy just to do something completely different from what he’s been doing all these years. Could I see him hiring Kevin Wilson and running the spread, sure? Would I bet on it? No.

at the end of the day, we likely end up with a hybrid, so I’m not worried about it.

Complete garbage - you have no idea, none whatsoever what Gregg wants to do offensively. You are telling me he hasn’t evolved at all in decade and that the model he used in the BE 10 years ago is identical to the model he will use now in the BIG - you are talking out of your *** ... again

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Al, so did Nick Saban until all the teams he saw were running some sort of spread and moving up and down the field. Now he runs a spread. So there is almost no chance that McNulty comes back(there maybe other reasons he was fired besides lack of offense) as GS will go with an OC who runs a spread attack.

Yup Saban went kicking and screaming and Harbaugh too after getting his teeth kicked in by OSU. But again still has to be the right people regardless of budget...Michigan has had some trouble this year with Josh Gattis implementing it.

 

[Shelby65]

My question is, will any qualified, successful OC want to work for an ultra-conservative HC who would rather punt on 4th and 1 from plus territory down 14 in the 4th quarter rather than go for it. This applies to Greg and also most other defensive guys.

Always buried in Greg's copious notes each game was a rigid script of pre-made decisions....and he could never go off script regardless of the situation. It's just how he is. To him, first quarter tie game decisions are the same as 4th quarter losing the game decisions.

 

[sherrane]

it just so happens the players on the roster fit the philosophy of what Schiano wants to do, which is run first. He’s not junking his philosophy just to do something completely different from what he’s been doing all these years. Could I see him hiring Kevin Wilson and running the spread, sure? Would I bet on it? No.

at the end of the day, we likely end up with a hybrid, so I’m not worried about it.

He has been working with Urban Meyer, running a spread option offense, for the past three seasons. He will be less successful in his second stint here if he wasted his time and didn't learn from one of the best in the business.

 

[RU19931]

I really can’t see McNaulty coming back under the circumstances, but if he does it says that (1) Schiano really likes him and (2) Schiano thinks Hobbs knows nothing about football.

I thought there were other reasons for parting ways with McNulty, not just that the offense was not progressing

 

[tico brown]

I heard hes strongly considering McNulty. Imagine the meltdown this board would have.

Of course he would.

 

[RUevolution36]

Why would he leave LSU to come to Rutgers? He can do better. Especially if LSU wins a National Championship.

If we offered him $1mm to show up and be "the guy" as OC, i think he'd at least listen.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Complete garbage - you have no idea, none whatsoever what Gregg wants to do offensively. You are telling me he hasn’t evolved at all in decade and that the model he used in the BE 10 years ago is identical to the model he will use now in the BIG - you are talking out of your *** ... again

I have history on my side. Yes, he’ll evolve but not too much. We will run the ball and play tough defense.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

He has been working with Urban Meyer, running a spread option offense, for the past three seasons. He will be less successful in his second stint here if he wasted his time and didn't learn from one of the best in the business.

he’s not spending the next five years installing the spread option, and we don’t have the personnel for it, especially at quarterback.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I would expect our offense to be something like Wisconsin

this is what I expect too, though I do think we’ll throw in RPO.

Wisconsin is a realistic model we can aspire to.

 

[MOBFreehold]

Do we know 100%. No. But assuming he’ll do what he’s always done is a pretty good assumption when it comes to GS. He’s just not an Air RAID type of coach. He favors running the ball.

Then there is no sense even starting day one. We will need to score in the thirties to start winning Reverting back to an offense from 10 plus years ago is a very bad idea

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

he’s not spending the next five years installing the spread option, and we don’t have the personnel for it, especially at quarterback.

lt doesn't take 5 years....I just mentioned Harrell transitioning USC this year from pro style and they've shown improvement on offense and Littrell/Harrell doing it at UNT and by year 2 they had huge improvements on offense. If it takes 5 years you haven't hired the right people.

Will Hall at Tulane too in year 1.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Didn’t we fire McNulty for multiple reasons? One of which didn’t have to do with play calling??

 

[Wolv RU]

it just so happens the players on the roster fit the philosophy of what Schiano wants to do, which is run first. He’s not junking his philosophy just to do something completely different from what he’s been doing all these years. Could I see him hiring Kevin Wilson and running the spread, sure? Would I bet on it? No.

at the end of the day, we likely end up with a hybrid, so I’m not worried about it.

Thinking that 2019 offense has anything to do with a run-pass split is another misconception. Try looking up the run / pass play selection of some good offenses and see where they rank. Is Oklahoma trying to run a mid 2000s offense?

But again, if something won't work at Alabama where they out recruit everyone, it's likely not going to work at Rutgers either. I'll trust Saban's judgment over just about everyone else.

 

[NickRU714]

There’s historical precedence, as head coach, that shows what he wants to do. Any notion of him being a spread devotee is speculative.

We don’t have the personnel at Rutgers to run Urban’s spread, especially quarterback, where we have two prostyle QBs on the roster and another one incoming. Artur isn’t at Rutgers to run Urbans spread. So do I see him blowing up everything just so he can run Urban’s spread? No. I think inertia favors running either a pro style or a hybrid thereof such as what we did this year. I’d hate to see the kids having to learn yet another offense when the issue isn’t the scheme, it’s the lack of talent, especially on the lines. I think we can show success more quickly if we can simply upgrade the talent on the lines.

You've been repeating this same terrible argument for 4 years now.

The same thing was said when DM "had" to be replaced after 2016...when Kill was hired to kill the offense in 2017....then repeated when McN was hired in 2018....then repeated again when we "had" to keep McN for offensive continuity for 2019.

I believe exact quotes after 2016 were "we don't have time implement a spread offense! We need to go back to a run-first pro-style! That is what the roster already knows! We need to win quickly."

How did that work out?
I'll save you the research time.
Progressively worst offenses each year leading to the disaster seasons of "savior McN - best OC in history of RU".


Why do you have so little faith in Schiano to rebuild the team?
You don't have enough faith in Schiano to give him a couple years to build a "strong foundation"?

 

[SC1221]

Then there is no sense even starting day one. We will need to score in the thirties to start winning Reverting back to an offense from 10 plus years ago is a very bad idea

The offense can be run-heavy but it better be more reliant on misdirection scheme-wise and not like Wisconsin. Trying to do that would be a disaster.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

If we offered him $1mm to show up and be "the guy" as OC, i think he'd at least listen.

When has Rutgers ever paid an OC that kind of money? He has a 3 year contract at LSU for 400k a year. He also has an OL that actually blocks people, WRs who get open and catch the ball, and a QB who throws the ball accurately to the right team. He would have none of that here. Unless he can bring LSU's offensive personnel with him, he's probably hanging up the phone.

 

[RUevolution36]

When has Rutgers ever paid an OC that kind of money? He has a 3 year contract at LSU for 400k a year. He also has an OL that actually blocks people, WRs who get open and catch the ball, and a QB who throws the ball accurately to the right team. He would have none of that here. Unless he can bring LSU's offensive personnel with him, he's probably hanging up the phone.

The rumored demand for increased budget for assistants could cover this. GS can probably go slightly cheaper on the DC front, as he'll likely have significant input on that side of the ball.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

lt doesn't take 5 years....I just mentioned Harrell transitioning USC this year from pro style and they've shown improvement on offense and Littrell/Harrell doing it at UNT and by year 2 they had huge improvements on offense. If it takes 5 years you haven't hired the right people.

Will Hall at Tulane too in year 1.

we don’t have a spread quarterback on the roster, for starters, and all the best ones are already committed elsewhere.

we don’t have USC talent. We ran the spread in 2016 and this year, and it’s been horrendous.
Rich Rod tried running it at Michigan, and it did work, but he could not get the defense to work.
not opposed to it. Just don’t see it happening, here. At most, we’ll be multiple, imo.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

When has Rutgers ever paid an OC that kind of money? He has a 3 year contract at LSU for 400k a year. He also has an OL that actually blocks people, WRs who get open and catch the ball, and a QB who throws the ball accurately to the right team. He would have none of that here. Unless he can bring LSU's offensive personnel with him, he's probably hanging up the phone.

you get me joe Brady, I’ll be happy as a clam. Just don’t see it happening.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

this is what I expect too, though I do think we’ll throw in RPO.

Wisconsin is a realistic model we can aspire to.

Wisconsin isn't a realistic model. Getting to that level would require a combination of talent, coaching, and player development on the OL that has been virtually non-existent here since about 2011.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Wisconsin isn't a realistic model. Getting to that level would require a combination of talent, coaching, and player development on the OL that has been virtually non-existent here since about 2011.

its aspirational, not that we’re going to get there soon.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

we don’t have a spread quarterback on the roster, for starters, and all the best ones are already committed elsewhere.

we don’t have USC talent. We ran the spread in 2016 and this year, and it’s been horrendous.
Rich Rod tried running it at Michigan, and it did work, but he could not get the defense to work.
not opposed to it. Just don’t see it happening, here. At most, we’ll be multiple, imo.

That's the OC's job to go find one...yes USC has talent at WR but they've improved on offense with a true freshman 3 star qb Kedon Slovis coming in for the starter who got hurt for the season in game 1.

Not to mention you left out UNT and Tulane and don't tell me about their talent. Like I said that transition UNT also happened with unearthed/undiscovered true freshman Mason Fine.

Whenever I hear multiple all I think of is added complexity, harder to recruit pieces to and plug and play with so again not that it can't work but IMO not the path of least resistance.

 

[Scarlet83]

Do we know 100%. No. But assuming he’ll do what he’s always done is a pretty good assumption when it comes to GS. He’s just not an Air RAID type of coach. He favors running the ball.

C’mon Al. THINK!

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Thinking that 2019 offense has anything to do with a run-pass split is another misconception. Try looking up the run / pass play selection of some good offenses and see where they rank. Is Oklahoma trying to run a mid 2000s offense?

But again, if something won't work at Alabama where they out recruit everyone, it's likely not going to work at Rutgers either. I'll trust Saban's judgment over just about everyone else.

when we can recruit an Oklahoma caliber quarterback, then we can run an Oklahoma caliber offense. We can’t block anyone for a spread or prostyle offense. That’s where our priority should be.

 

[NickRU714]

when we can recruit an Oklahoma caliber quarterback, then we can run an Oklahoma caliber offense. We can’t block anyone for a spread or prostyle offense. That’s where our priority should be.

Ironic.
So do you not trust Schiano's recruiting ability?
That not encouraging.

If Schiano is going to raise the talent level of the team, he should plan ahead and start implementing an offense for these new players.

Why would Schiano design an offense around the current/Ash recruits?
Recruits that many around here say are not even FBS level?

He should pick his offense he wants and start recruiting for that.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Ironic.
So do you not trust Schiano's recruiting ability?
That not encouraging.

If Schiano is going to raise the talent level of the team, he should plan ahead and start implementing an offense for these new players.

Why would Schiano design an offense around the current/Ash recruits?
Recruits that many around here say are not even FBS level?

He should pick his offense he wants and start recruiting for that.

because the players on the team already fit what he wants to do, which is run the ball. that’s where we have the most talent. We can have a respectable offense next year, if we can get some talent on the offensive line. Sutton and Lewis should be decent tackles. Cooper hopefully will be ready to go. The interior is where we need help.

if he was 100% committed to the spread like a But ch Jones or Joe Moorhead, id agree we’d run the spread.

Why isn’t a multiple offense good enough for you?

 

[Section124]

Unless McNulty has a son that is a highly recruited senior QB, I don't think he will be the OC. Greg has a track record to maintain.

 

[Wolv RU]

when we can recruit an Oklahoma caliber quarterback, then we can run an Oklahoma caliber offense. We can’t block anyone for a spread or prostyle offense. That’s where our priority should be.

The point was to demonstrate that "modern offense" doesn't mean you don't run a lot. Oklahoma only passes the ball on less than 45% of their plays. I'd say they're "running the ball" a lot.

Fine, you don't like Oklahoma, look at Oklahoma State. Another modern offense that runs a lot. If Rutgers can't recruit like Oklahoma State does, that is going to be a problem.

 

[Shelby65]

If Schiano was capable of developing and overseeing a productive offense, Ohio State would have hired him to be HC. Instead, they chose a much more inexperienced guy. We see now that OSU made the right decision. Why should we make the mistake that Ohio State didn't ?

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

The point was to demonstrate that "modern offense" doesn't mean you don't run a lot. Oklahoma only passes the ball on less than 45% of their plays. I'd say they're "running the ball" a lot.

Fine, you don't like Oklahoma, look at Oklahoma State. Another modern offense that runs a lot. If Rutgers can't recruit like Oklahoma State does, that is going to be a problem.

Sure we have everything to run Oklahoma States offense. The only thing we’re missing is the first round draft pick quarterback, Mason Rudolph, receivers who can catch, like All American Tylan Wallace, and lineman who can block. Come on man!

our offense has to be effective, even if we have a game manager type quarterback, because more often than not, this is what we can recruit. Mason Randolph and Jalon Hurts are both averaging well over 300 passing yards a game. It took Mike teel and Gary nova 3 to 3.5 years to play with this level of proficiency.

when is the last time we had an ou/OSU caliber of quarterback? The only kid who was significantly productive right away was Mike McMahon, but he was an anomaly.

Ash was 100% committed to the spread, till he had trouble recruiting spread quarterbacks who could succeed at this level. NJ doesn’t produce a lot of quarterbacks, who can succeed at this level, and even when it does once in a blue moon, those quarterbacks will end up at Penn State like Taquan Roberson.

it makes sense to run a pro style offense because it allows us to different ourselves in recruiting, so that we’re not competing with Ohio state, penn state, and most college football teams in America for the same excellent spread quarterbacks. As Tim Pernetti used to say, “We’re a prostyle shop”.

We can get solid pro style quarterbacks in the state of Rutgers, and have them run a multiple offense.

now the man will decide what offense he’s going to run. But I’d be very surprised if he makes a dramatic departure from what he’s done in the past because he isn’t the type to do so.

get Bob Bostad in here, get some quality linemen in here, and we’re good to go.

 

[MOBFreehold]

Sure we have everything to run Oklahoma States offense. The only thing we’re missing is the first round draft pick quarterback, Mason Rudolph, receivers who can catch, like All American Tylan Wallace, and lineman who can block. Come on man!

our offense has to be effective, even if we have a game manager type quarterback, because more often than not, this is what we can recruit. Mason Randolph and Jalon Hurts are both averaging well over 300 passing yards a game. It took Mike teel and Gary nova 3 to 3.5 years to play with this level of proficiency.

when is the last time we had an ou/OSU caliber of quarterback? The only kid who was significantly productive right away was Mike McMahon, but he was an anomaly.

Ash was 100% committed to the spread, till he had trouble recruiting spread quarterbacks who could succeed at this level. NJ doesn’t produce a lot of quarterbacks, who can succeed at this level, and even when it does once in a blue moon, those quarterbacks will end up at Penn State like Taquan Roberson.

it makes sense to run a pro style offense because it allows us to different ourselves in recruiting, so that we’re not competing with Ohio state, penn state, and most college football teams in America for the same excellent spread quarterbacks. As Tim Pernetti used to say, “We’re a prostyle shop”.

We can get solid pro style quarterbacks in the state of Rutgers, and have them run a multiple offense.

now the man will decide what offense he’s going to run. But I’d be very surprised if he makes a dramatic departure from what he’s done in the past because he isn’t the type to do so.

get Bob Bostad in here, get some quality linemen in here, and we’re good to go.

Doesnt App St run a similar offense? Do they have the caliber talentvyou speak of? We know they play all comers tough

 

[NickRU714]

Sure we have everything to run Oklahoma States offense. The only thing we’re missing is the first round draft pick quarterback, Mason Rudolph, receivers who can catch, like All American Tylan Wallace, and lineman who can block. Come on man!

our offense has to be effective, even if we have a game manager type quarterback, because more often than not, this is what we can recruit. Mason Randolph and Jalon Hurts are both averaging well over 300 passing yards a game. It took Mike teel and Gary nova 3 to 3.5 years to play with this level of proficiency.

when is the last time we had an ou/OSU caliber of quarterback? The only kid who was significantly productive right away was Mike McMahon, but he was an anomaly.

Ash was 100% committed to the spread, till he had trouble recruiting spread quarterbacks who could succeed at this level. NJ doesn’t produce a lot of quarterbacks, who can succeed at this level, and even when it does once in a blue moon, those quarterbacks will end up at Penn State like Taquan Roberson.

it makes sense to run a pro style offense because it allows us to different ourselves in recruiting, so that we’re not competing with Ohio state, penn state, and most college football teams in America for the same excellent spread quarterbacks. As Tim Pernetti used to say, “We’re a prostyle shop”.

We can get solid pro style quarterbacks in the state of Rutgers, and have them run a multiple offense.

now the man will decide what offense he’s going to run. But I’d be very surprised if he makes a dramatic departure from what he’s done in the past because he isn’t the type to do so.

get Bob Bostad in here, get some quality linemen in here, and we’re good to go.

"Ash was 100% committed to the spread, till he had trouble recruiting spread quarterbacks who could succeed at this level."
Completely wrong. He was 100% committed to the spread for 1 season - until he and a majority of the fan base got scared and didn't realize changing the offense takes more than 15 minutes.
Hiring OC Kill is not "100% committed to the spread" in the least.

"NJ doesn’t produce a lot of quarterbacks, who can succeed at this level, and even when it does
once in a blue moon, those quarterbacks will end up at Penn State like Taquan Roberson."
Hmmm.....so your saying that Schiano won't be able to out recruit PSU and other schools for the top local NJ talent?
I thought that he was going to immediately turn Rutgers into a destination for top NJ talent?
What exactly is the recruiting benefit of Schiano then?

Someone should tell this guy that Schiano isn't going to change recruiting significantly and will continue to take the backseat to PSU and most of the Big 10:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/can’t-wait-for-schiano-to-make-us-1.177938/

 

[Wolv RU]

Sure we have everything to run Oklahoma States offense. The only thing we’re missing is the first round draft pick quarterback, Mason Rudolph, receivers who can catch, like All American Tylan Wallace, and lineman who can block. Come on man!

our offense has to be effective, even if we have a game manager type quarterback, because more often than not, this is what we can recruit. Mason Randolph and Jalon Hurts are both averaging well over 300 passing yards a game. It took Mike teel and Gary nova 3 to 3.5 years to play with this level of proficiency.

when is the last time we had an ou/OSU caliber of quarterback? The only kid who was significantly productive right away was Mike McMahon, but he was an anomaly.

Ash was 100% committed to the spread, till he had trouble recruiting spread quarterbacks who could succeed at this level. NJ doesn’t produce a lot of quarterbacks, who can succeed at this level, and even when it does once in a blue moon, those quarterbacks will end up at Penn State like Taquan Roberson.

it makes sense to run a pro style offense because it allows us to different ourselves in recruiting, so that we’re not competing with Ohio state, penn state, and most college football teams in America for the same excellent spread quarterbacks. As Tim Pernetti used to say, “We’re a prostyle shop”.

We can get solid pro style quarterbacks in the state of Rutgers, and have them run a multiple offense.

now the man will decide what offense he’s going to run. But I’d be very surprised if he makes a dramatic departure from what he’s done in the past because he isn’t the type to do so.

get Bob Bostad in here, get some quality linemen in here, and we’re good to go.

This is silly. Is the goal to win an extra game in 2020 or to have a successful program? You don't look at "sure we have everything [right now] to run Oklahoma State's offense." The goal is to choose a system that will be effective going forward and not what worked 10 or 15 years ago, when the game has changed so much. If the staff that comes in here can't recruit the talent to do so, then it probably isn't the right staff.

 

[vkj91]

this is what I expect too, though I do think we’ll throw in RPO.

Wisconsin is a realistic model we can aspire to.

Lol. Not it’s not

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

This is silly. Is the goal to win an extra game in 2020 or to have a successful program? You don't look at "sure we have everything [right now] to run Oklahoma State's offense." The goal is to choose a system that will be effective going forward and not what worked 10 or 15 years ago, when the game has changed so much. If the staff that comes in here can't recruit the talent to do so, then it probably isn't the right staff.

let’s hear your plan to realistically emulate OSU. Specifically, Where are we going to source OSU caliber talent from?