Most aren't interested in the frat brat life and you're stretching a bit there. All undergrads in residence halls must have a dining plan. The cheapest is 1630 per semester or 3260 per academic year. The cheapest residence hall is something like 3975 per semester or 7950 per academic year. That is from your link. Stop being stupid. You're only hurting yourself, everyone can read whether you can or not.
#Not NCAA property
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I don’t love what oad has done to the game and the environment.
I think just let guys go out of college. Otherwise play your way into the league.
That said as long as large companies and schools make money off of the althletes it is hard to argue that the players (without whom there would be no game) shouldn’t get a cut.
sure they get scholarships but so do students who don’t bring a dime into the school.
to me if you bring in more you should get more. How is that not fair?
plus when in doubt I side with those who have less power because they are usually getting screwed because that is how the world works.
I think just let guys go out of college. Otherwise play your way into the league.
That said as long as large companies and schools make money off of the althletes it is hard to argue that the players (without whom there would be no game) shouldn’t get a cut.
sure they get scholarships but so do students who don’t bring a dime into the school.
to me if you bring in more you should get more. How is that not fair?
plus when in doubt I side with those who have less power because they are usually getting screwed because that is how the world works.
That would help college basketball. These OAD's need to go away, they hurt more than they help.
Well thats the way it used to be , before the shoe companies got involved, lol .
You all have heard my rant before. . .
Its COLLEGE athletics for athletes who want to attend COLLEGE. Its their league and they want it to maintain as much amateur status as possible. If you dont like those rules dont join. Simple as that.
They are not raking in money on the backs of poor athletes. The overwheliming majority of the money made from college athletics goes two places: College Coaches Pockets, and Amenities for the players. The players get tuition paid (not free but paid by someone else, teachers still need paid etc), Luxury dorms paid for with amenities most cant afford, meals paid for, travel paid for, gear paid for, nutritionist paid for, executive chef paid for, trainers paid for, medical staff treatment paid for, tutors paid for, and free exposure from playing on the college stage.
If you want to change it from College Athletics to a business then lets allow them to sell themselves as commodities on the open market and then send them a bill for a each their portion of each one of those items above. Isnt that fair?
I dont get a dime, in fact I have to pay to be a part of the whole college sports attraction show. Would it have the same marketability without the fans? I want mine now.
As Ive said before, I dont mind them getting a small stipend for spending money but when they act like they arent getting anything its maddening. And if the still feel like somebody is getting rich off of them there's one place to look - at their coach. Thats about it the rest of the money comes back to them in a lot of ways.
Its COLLEGE athletics for athletes who want to attend COLLEGE. Its their league and they want it to maintain as much amateur status as possible. If you dont like those rules dont join. Simple as that.
They are not raking in money on the backs of poor athletes. The overwheliming majority of the money made from college athletics goes two places: College Coaches Pockets, and Amenities for the players. The players get tuition paid (not free but paid by someone else, teachers still need paid etc), Luxury dorms paid for with amenities most cant afford, meals paid for, travel paid for, gear paid for, nutritionist paid for, executive chef paid for, trainers paid for, medical staff treatment paid for, tutors paid for, and free exposure from playing on the college stage.
If you want to change it from College Athletics to a business then lets allow them to sell themselves as commodities on the open market and then send them a bill for a each their portion of each one of those items above. Isnt that fair?
I dont get a dime, in fact I have to pay to be a part of the whole college sports attraction show. Would it have the same marketability without the fans? I want mine now.
As Ive said before, I dont mind them getting a small stipend for spending money but when they act like they arent getting anything its maddening. And if the still feel like somebody is getting rich off of them there's one place to look - at their coach. Thats about it the rest of the money comes back to them in a lot of ways.
They are getting a cut and people are going to watch whether or not 5* players are on the floor. They add precious little to overall viewership or ticket sales or merchandise.
Lol, most of the people in college are there for that very reason. At least the experience to a degree.
No, they don't! Lol. I get you are reading that they do, but contact dining services and ask. They will tell you many students do a flex only plan because they don't want to limit themselves to dining halls. If you go around most of the stores and restaurants around campus, they have signs that say "we accept flex accounts." Those student can go eat at all those places and still access the dining halls using flex dollars. It's far better than a standard dining hall plan with limited, fixed flex amounts.
Yes! Literally that is what I am telling you. That is about 5500 less than the link you initially provided. So how's my math off?
No they don't and certainly not for a losing proposition like sports. The vast majority lose money on athletics so you think they are going to throw good money after bad because they have it in an endowment? Good grief.
I think it's hilarious people are even arguing about this mostly because they don't know what the athletes are protesting to achieve.
The NCAA will be fine... well, except they're destroying their own model with their capricious rulings and exorbitant admin costs.
If I want to sell my autograph on a photo, the only people that matters to are the greedy folks at the NCAA, and the people that like that model.
The only people who want the athletes to get paid besides the athletes and their families, are the players that were offered or their coaches were offered or their families were offered money from somewhere AND they NEED it (or just want it). The rest know why it is the way it is.
Sorry to interrupt your playful banter... enjoy
The NCAA will be fine... well, except they're destroying their own model with their capricious rulings and exorbitant admin costs.
If I want to sell my autograph on a photo, the only people that matters to are the greedy folks at the NCAA, and the people that like that model.
The only people who want the athletes to get paid besides the athletes and their families, are the players that were offered or their coaches were offered or their families were offered money from somewhere AND they NEED it (or just want it). The rest know why it is the way it is.
Sorry to interrupt your playful banter... enjoy
27% is most? Again, it is a REQUIREMENT that they have a dining plan. What don't you understand with that? Most are not in a fraternity or sorority. No one mentioned your always drunk subset with special accommodations. We're done now.
They already do spend that money on baseball. And that will continue. The rest of their athletic programs will stay mediocre, NIL or not.
If you have to ask that question, I probably can’t help you. Go back and read your post and maybe you’ll figure it out.
I didn't say they were all in it, just that most want that frat brat life experience in college. Even the non greeks.
It's not actually required though. You just obviously aren't familiar the process. Anyone can request a Flex only accouny in lieu of a dining plan. It's really not hard.
yea I understand, and I can appreciate the kid that takes whatever job he/she can to pay his way thru school
My advice to anyone who had a kid about to go down this path or is in college - aggressively search for paid co-op in your field, even if you have to drive an hour one way and the pay isn't ideal.
Its going to give you great resume material that differentiates you from the pack, its going to give you real world experience to talk about during an interview , and any company that can hire co-ops (or interns, whatever) is also most likely ready to hire people into entry level positions. If you bust your butt and perform, chances are you're going to get fast tracked in the interview process when you graduate for them.
I don't enjoy tossing resumes, Kids that just went to school, made 3.0 or higher and worked to contribute to their college expenses should be celebrated for graduating. They are elite and represent less than 35% of the population. Unfortunately for me, I have a stack of their resumes and I'm going to go with the person - male or female that has the most relevant experience that can apply to our job.
If you can't get the co-op/internship like I mentioned, then volunteer in your local community at a job that is at least in the same field as what you want to do - volunteer to sweep floors, take out trash, whatever just to get those connections and resume material - and do it the summer after your freshmen year. You should be singularly focused on your post college career the day you step on campus.
You might get lucky - that volunteer job might lead to the co-op job, the co-op job might lead to the full time positions
Our co-ops start at $28 an hour for sophomores. Our entry level consultant position starts at $78K a year with a quarterly bonus.
But I can't hire the kid if all he/she has on their resume is a 3.0, MATLAB and Starbucks.
I wouldn't say greek is the cheapest given you'd have to join a fraternity to get in the housing right?
Doesn't count towards your housing fees though. Depends what frat it is as well.
The only problem with that is there are all different types of one and dones.
There is the guy who had NBA talent while still in High School.
There is the guy who was expected to be in college for 3-4 years that has an incredible freshman year and ends up being a first round pick.
There is the guy who was recruited to be the best thing since sliced bread and has a pretty mediocre freshman season.
And pretty much every player in category 3 thinks he’s in category 1.
So when you say keeping OAD players out of college would help the college game, I disagree.
The college game was better when elite level players went to college and stayed 3-4 years.
If those guys bypass college altogether, then the college game won’t be as good.
It’s also not as good with rosters that turn over every year due to the NBA’s one and done rule.
If the goal is to make the college game better, you have to provide incentive beyond getting a degree to elite players.
How do you do that without turning recruiting into a bidding war?
I think it can be done, but that would have to be set up very carefully.
The other thing is that IMO, just like college isn’t for everyone, the G-League or overseas isn’t for everyone (with the ability to make a roster) either. Some or probably many need college not just for the basketball exposure, but for the structure and maturity building.
the point is you aren't getting in a frat house unless you join a fraternity.
that's like saying you don't have to pay for meals in the army
I want the NIL thing to go through just so we can have NCAA football and basketball video games again.
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Yes, but frat fees are personal fees. Those don't constitute housing fees, nor are they required for all students. Also, depending on what frats are looking, you may get reduced or no fees to join. Particularly in today's pc culture.
The elites are going to the NBA asap, no matter what you do. They don't help college basketball.
No it doesn't. It doesn't hurt the sport, and it doesn't hurt you.
Ok, last time. This is copied from YOUR link:I didn't say they were all in it, just that most want that frat brat life experience in college. Even the non greeks.
It's not actually required though. You just obviously aren't familiar the process. Anyone can request a Flex only accouny in lieu of a dining plan. It's really not hard.
Dining Plans: (rates are per person, per semester)
Students living in undergraduate residence halls are required to purchase a university dining plan. Learn more about the dining plan options and pricing at uky.edu/ukdining.
| 2019-2020 | 2020-2021 | |||
| Dining Plan | Rate | FLEX Dollars | Rate | FLEX Dollars |
| Minimum Plan | $1,575 | $75 | $1,630 | $75 |
| All Access Blue | $2,035 | $250 | $2,100 | $250 |
| All Access White | $2,140 | $400 | $2,200 | $400 |
Surely to goodness you can read your own link.
https://journalnow.com/college-base...cle_20fdcfe8-db67-5875-80d5-3e5c6013f51f.html
"The explanation is that all of those schools spend more on academic or need-based scholarships for baseball, at least partly because they can. Wake Forest's total endowment for 2014 was $1.148 billion, which is quite a bit of coin but decidedly less than the endowments of Rice ($5.5 billion), Stanford ($21.4 billion) or even Duke ($7 billion). TCU has invested a larger portion of its $1.4 billion endowment on baseball, but the school most famous for supplementing its baseball scholarships with academic or need-based grants has been Vanderbilt.
"They're well-endowed and so they're able to do things with financial aid based upon need that a lot of other institutions have not been able to do," Wellman said. "And they've been very judicious in the manner in which they've done it."
Where do you get $250K? My grandson goes to UK and my daughter pays about $23k a year for him. That includes everything.Let me get my violin.
A 1 year bball scholly at UK is worth at least $250k/yr, probably more. How many burgers do you have to flip to earn $250,000?
Lol, I know, that is what their site says, but anyone can request a flex only plan. A lot of students don't want to eat in the dining halls. Lol, you actually have to be familiar with UK and college in general to know that. You're free to call dinung services at UK at ask them
The athletes are merely asking to have the same right as the engineering student to make money while a student. If an engineering student invents something and sells it, he stays on academic scholarship. He can make money off his social media accounts. But, athletes can't and that is why they are mad. They bring a lot more money into the school than the engineering department does.
Many a player has been kicked off a team for the reasons you suggest firing them.
I think this is correct at a place like Kentucky. Just think the amount of money someone like Ritchie Farmer could have made endorsing products while at UK. Someone that had no chance ever making money as a professional basketball player.
My point was that when you become an employee, you fall into a completely different system of human resources and personnel decisions than when you are an unpaid amateur athlete.
There will likely be a lot more changes that accompany the pay for play that may not be too favorable for the players based on the current system.
I just don’t think it will be as simple to accomplish as some think it will.
I think your first sentence is true, and your second sentence is not true.
I certainly don’t think the college game would be better if the guys who only stayed one year would have never came at all. Just at UK alone, would you have rather not had Wall, Cousins, Knight, Randall, KAT, Booker, Bam, Fox, Monk, Hero, or Maxey?
I think all of those guys made college basketball better—even if for too short of a time.
I've never said it's required. It's not required at all. You seem really confused by all this.
Let me see if I can break this down into simpler terms for you. Have you ever been to a restaurant and seen an entree listed as coming with certain sides, and so you ask the server if you can swap those for something else? Even though the menu says it comes with those certain sides, you are really free to pick and choose what works best for you. It's like that.
Your link said it was required. I just posted it. Please explain.
@RolandSchitt , I realize you think everything is funny but still, explain.
You need to re-read my post-- a UK BASKETBALL scholarship. Wasn't talking about in-state regular joes, pretty obvious. You don't have a good grasp of the UK men's basketball experience for a scholarship athlete if you doubt my #.
It's Lead Belly. Best of luck and waste of time
If you haven't already put LB's newest mult, @RolandSchitt on ignore, you're kicking your own ***.
He's here for 1 reason- to troll. Same reason he goes around laughing at every post like a mental patient.