#Not NCAA property

[TankedCat]

basically any resume I get that doesn't have a co-op, internship, professor assistant or summer work program related to their field, gets tossed.

Its unfortunate but without that extra difference on the resume, at college job fairs I end up with 30 resumes that all look exactly the same.

 

[TigerMoving]

just imagine Trevor Lawrence in an open and transparent bidding war. You really think any P5 school could compete?

There would be about maybe 10 schools that would be in the bidding war. You'd start seeing players putting athletic programs in the red as funds would be diverted to covering landing players that would allow them to compete with Alabama.

His final list would have looked exactly the same. Clemson would have matched any offer and Trevor would still pick Dabo bc of their deep bond over Christianity. Not to mention Bama already had Tua and playing time will always be big factor

 

[TankedCat]

If schools spent more on players than the players generated that's on them.

But the entire idea is flawed and only necessitated because the NBA didn't want to invest in a farm system (such as baseball and soccer -in most of the world). If the NBA dedicates itself to the g-league then college basketball, in it's current form, will die on the vine.

It's not fair to make money off players for non-market driven compensation. And it's not feasible to have competitive balance in an open market.

it is on them but that's what is going to happen when you open pandoras box

and its going to put incredible pressure on the player

Imagine UK setting up an endorsement deal for Brandon Boston this year when he comes here and he fails to perform

Well, Brandon isn't a 19 year old innocent college kid, UK leveraged a deal for him to earn 6 figures (or more, who knows where it ends) and that kid better deliver out of the gate.

The "he is just a college kid" objectivity is gone. He is a paid professional and is expected to perform like one

and the coach? the guy who chose this guy? Well now he is a GM in charge of managing the teams endorsement cap, and he chose the wrong guy so they are screwed. They have to dump the kid and his money and bring in someone else.

Its simply not college ball or the ideals associated with it.

 

[TankedCat]

His final list would have looked exactly the same. Clemson would have matched any offer and Trevor would still pick Dabo bc of their deep bond over Christianity. Not to mention Bama already had Tua and playing time will always be big factor

ok, but I think your missing the matching offer issue. What if the offer to match is $2.3m offered by LSU. What happens with the compensation package exceed the rookie minimum in the NFL or NBA? still free market? still all good?

 

[TigerMoving]

ok, but I think your missing the matching offer issue. What if the offer to match is $2.3m offered by LSU. What happens with the compensation package exceed the rookie minimum in the NFL or NBA? still free market? still all good?

Yeah still all good, whatever the market says

 

[kb22stang]

Its simply not college ball or the ideals associated with it.

Serious question, do you think the ideals of college ball include coaches, administrators and NCAA reps making millions or close to it? Personally, I think those ideals have been abandoned to chase the might dollar at all levels, accept the talent on the court/field.

 

[TankedCat]

no I don't but it would be easier to bring those salaries in line than to open up a P5 bidding war on players that kills the sport.

I think its absurd that in many states, especially those in the south, a coach at a university is the highest paid state employee.

 

[kb22stang]

no I don't but it would be easier to bring those salaries in line than to open up a P5 bidding war on players that kills the sport.

But I've seen no indication that it is on the table, none. And I doubt you'd get much momentum from that. And that doesn't even take into account the travel, missed class time, and other restrictions on a player's activities.

 

[HagginHall1999]

so people in California are going to be buying Zion Williamson jerseys if he plays on a 18-14 Clemson team that doesn't make the NCAA tournament at the same rate they would be if he played on a 28-4 UK team that is a #1 seed going into the tournament (I can dream right?) I mean that is what we are talking about right? That he will develop fans outside the school fanbase?

I'm not saying he won't sell jerseys or whatever

but to say he isn't going to benefit from school choice is just well...inexplicable to me.

I get what you are saying but it doesn't always work out like that. If you look at Cade this year...go back and read this forum, folks probably me included mocking his decision and how they would have fun playing in NIT, etc.

Now he is probably the most popular player in CBB (or close to it).

Maybe there would be a difference, neither of us know definitively.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Kentucky/Duke/UNC/Kansas/MSU are not going to have 30 person basketball recruiting classes.

Cade Cunningham or someone of his magnitude would make just as much money at OSU as they would at UK. This isn't about the John Miller Ford ad in Lexington....people follow these guys. You think Cade would have that many more followers at UK than he does at OSU? No way.

Yes, he. Retain.y would. No one cares about Ok State basketball.

 

[BourbonBalz]

So like it is now then?

Much worse.

 

[BourbonBalz]

A student on a music scholarship is allowed to play weekend gigs, sell their music, post videos on youtube, etc. Why are you against this?

Yeah, that‘s a thing called work. Athletes can work if they want to. Additionally, as has been stated, I don’t think music majors have boosters recruiting them to a college.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Do you understand what I did with your post?

Yeah. It’s stupid. But that’s probably above your head.

 

[TankedCat]

I get what you are saying but it doesn't always work out like that. If you look at Cade this year...go back and read this forum, folks probably me included mocking his decision and how they would have fun playing in NIT, etc.

Now he is probably the most popular player in CBB (or close to it).

Maybe there would be a difference, neither of us know definitively.

I guess I'm out of touch. Honestly if it weren't for this board, I would have never heard of him.

now Zion is different. People wouldn't shut the hell up about him. Would they have talked about him as much had he went to OK st over Duke playing with 2 other premiere freshmen? I gotta go with no.

Trae Young - the kid that went to Oklahoma? I heard about him, mostly bad for being a ball hog and taking so many shots but Oklahoma didn't have a choice because he was all they had. Would Trae Young benefit from being at Kentucky in the scenarios we are talking about more than Oklahoma? I think so.

 

[BourbonBalz]

You failed to explain why "amateurism matters." It's okay for some people to get paid because "it's their job." But athletes aren't even being asked to get paid for playing basketball. They're asking to be allowed to make money from separate business interests. Coaches can write a book and get paid for it. Why can't a player write a book and get paid for it? The only students on a college campus that are prevented from earning money from outside work are student-athletes.

I know I'm not changing any minds. And BBFGa won't change mine. My disgust with the NCAA's forced amateurism goes back decades. I think it is a horrible and oppressive system. I am glad the athletes finally have a platform and are using it. I really hope every top recruit goes to Florida, California.... states with laws to protect the athletes ability to participate in the free market like everyone else in this country. The NCAA will never change, they will never negotiate fairly, unless they are forced to by state laws.

Yeah, those guys are terribly oppressed. LOL. If they’re so damned oppressed, why do they go to school? No one forces them.

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

Yeah, those guys are terribly oppressed. LOL. If they’re so damned oppressed, why do they go to school? No one forces them.

They can always NOT go to college and NOT accept a free scholarship.


Go to the G league, or train all year in preparation for the draft. Nobody is forcing you to go to college:


They want to go to college, especially the big schools, because it helps them too.


This is a damn joke

Wait..... are you telling me they have a choice? Huh, never knew that.

They also have the ability to advocate to improve their position. It doesn’t hurt anyone on here if they are permitted NIL rights.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Wait..... are you telling me they have a choice? Huh, never knew that.

They also have the ability to advocate to improve their position. It doesn’t hurt anyone on here if they are permitted NIL rights.

It hurts the sport. Play college ball or go pro. They have a choice. It’s that simple. I’m done discussing this with you. Don’t respond again. It will be ignored.

 

[Madcat62_rivals113839]

lol paying college players is the stupidest **** i’ve heard all day.

amateur athletics what's so hard to understand.

 

[Madcat62_rivals113839]

College basketball is a garbage product anyway. The NBA is great because it is all about the players, you know, the people with the actual talent. The NCAA tries to make college basketball about anything else but the player. It's about the conference, it's about the school, it's about the coach, it's about the referees. Who gives a good ******* if these kids get paid? How does that affect your life? Anyone outraged by that needs to take a step back and reevaluate.

the nba is garbage

 

[fisherscatfan_rivals101526]

Do you ever know what you're talking about? https://www.uky.edu/financialaid/tuition-and-fees

Exactly. I just paid for 4 years of college for my daughter as an out of state student at UK. That guy is freaking delusional on how cheap you can get by.

What he is mentioning is CHOICES the students could make to get by on bare minimums but don't dare suggest an athlete has a CHOICE to play G-League, oversees, college or where ever.

I get a kick out of people saying this is about capitalism to let the players be paid. No it is actually shifting to communism. See the capitalist portion of it was the schools, networks etc., built a system which became worth billions of dollars and assumed the risk. Now that people who did not take on any risk, did not build it don't like how successful the product is and want the government to force the capitalist to part with their earnings. That is communism. Their option is to not participate in the system and they have options. Just the options generally suck.

 

[fisherscatfan_rivals101526]

I think you're missing my point, why is it ok for a student on a music scholarship to make money based on his/her talent (brand) and a student on a basketball scholarship isn't? Keep in mind, I'm not talking about paying the player (that was a canard by some posters that had an agenda).

Is the musician competing in amateur events after accepting money for their talent.

 

[fisherscatfan_rivals101526]

Why not just let them make money on their name, image and likeness? Currently they are preventing them from earning that revenue stream with no logical reason (hence why the NIL is coming). Players who are stars will make whatever money the "market" allows and the non-stars will learn to appreciate their scholarship when they realize Wheaties doesnt give a crap about the role players.

What is stopping them from doing that right now? Just do it outside college athletics. I have seen all kinds of G-League jerseys flying off the shelf.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I personally would rather see the stars play in college instead of forcing them to the G-league.

Amazing some of you all think student-athletes are the only adults in America who shouldn't be able to benefit from capitalism.

I didn't realize all interns were paid.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

5 star recruits rarely ever go to non-P5 schools anyways. Every P5 school can and will meet market value if an elite 5-star wants to attend their school. This might help the blue bloods some but there will still be infinitely more parity in college basketball than there is in college football or any other major sports league where we see the same teams in the championship year after year after year. Again, the only major change is the ability to outbid G-league and overseas for the elite guys, which I would rather see in college.

Are you really that naïve? Most schools don't have the booster money that the top programs in respective sports do. You really think Vandy or Wake Forest is going after top players like that? Come on.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Because I provided you evidence?

Is Leadbelly your guy's internet safeword or something?

We assume there is only one arrogant idiot running around. Maybe there is two.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

5 thousand less per year was closer to yours? How so?

Not real good at math huh? The cheapest on your list was roughly 8000 for a dorm and 3000 for food. Wanna try again there funny boy?

 

[RolandSchitt]

We assume there is only one arrogant idiot running around. Maybe there is two.

Lol, you were the one being the arrogant idiot. Wasn't it you who started attacking? I wasn't even having a conversation with you. You interjected about something you knew nothing about and exposed yourself.

 

[Bobio]

Yeah. It’s stupid. But that’s probably above your head.

That's not very nice. Why was it stupid?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Lol, you were the one being the arrogant idiot. Wasn't it you who started attacking? I wasn't even having a conversation with you. You interjected about something you knew nothing about and exposed yourself.

Really, wanna try your math again there funny boy?

 

[notFromhere]

When did they STOP getting paid?

Asking for a friend

 

[RolandSchitt]

Not real good at math huh? The cheapest on your list was roughly 8000 for a dorm and 3000 for food. Wanna try again there funny boy?

Lol, well 8 is 5 less than 13, which was what the link you provided stated. Not sure if I would be a mathematician, but that sure seems like a difference of 5.

$3000 for food? First we are counting food as room and board now? And also, You realize you can opt for a flex only acount for a few hundred, right? I'm taking it you didn't attend UK.

 

[TigerMoving]

I didn't realize all interns were paid.

Not all, but the elite are

 

[RolandSchitt]

Really, wanna try your math again there funny boy?

Well, you tell us. What is the total difference between 8 and 13?

 

[TigerMoving]

Are you really that naïve? Most schools don't have the booster money that the top programs in respective sports do. You really think Vandy or Wake Forest is going after top players like that? Come on.

Yeah their recruiting classes will look just like they do now. Its not like they are getting elite players currently. And you are naive if you dont realize all P5 schools have endless cash and resources. Vandy has a ton of money but they will probably focus their resources on their championship baseball program.

Dont forget that Vandy and Wake went like a combined 10-30 this year so I would guess you can expect more of the same...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Lol, well 8 is 5 less than 13, which was what the link you provided stated. Not sure if I would be a mathematician, but that sure seems like a difference of 5.

$3000 for food? First we are counting food as room and board now? And also, You realize you can opt for a flex only acount for a few hundred, right? I'm taking it you didn't attend UK.

Jesus Christ you're dense. The cheapest dorm is 4000 per semester and the cheapest dining plan is 1600 per semester. Idiot

 

[notFromhere]

basically any resume I get that doesn't have a co-op, internship, professor assistant or summer work program related to their field, gets tossed.

Its unfortunate but without that extra difference on the resume, at college job fairs I end up with 30 resumes that all look exactly the same.

That sucks. All of the kids I know that didn't take a handout for their college and paid for it themselves couldn't afford to do an internship while in school. Didn't pay enough.

College does teach laziness as well as resume padding, though, so I hear a lot about "tossed resumes" for many reasons from friends and HR people. Too many applicants, and too many great candidates that can't get an interview because of old criteria and needing to "stand out".... It used to matter who you hired more than what you hired.

Funny story...
A guy I know applied for a job he had no shot at, and he knew he'd probably suck at it. He just couldn't find anything in his field of work. He got the job. Sucked at it, but everyone else in THAT field kept job-hopping and he was the guy that stuck around. Pay was good, but it's not what he wanted to do, but now he can't get a job in his field.... He's better at the job now, so he likes it ok. Anywayy the person that hired him got fired later and went to another company. They ran into each other out somewhere and the HR guy told him he got the interview because his resume was so different than the rest in the stack. He got the job because the boss liked him.

This world is so different than we're told it is

 

[RolandSchitt]

Jesus Christ you're dense. The cheapest dorm is 4000 per semester and the cheapest dining plan is 1600 per semester. Idiot

Lol, the cheapest option is actually the greek housing, which was only 3100. The cheapest meal option is a flex only option. You can start at $300. Of course you have to be familiar with UK to know that. So wrong on both there.

You can also get the cheapest regular housing option for 3979 and 300 flex account. That puts you at 8500 which is 5000 less than the link you provided. Still not seeing how my math was wrong...

You can save a lot on both by not living in campus housing. Which is what the football team does.

It's odd you say others act arrogant and rude, yet you just called me dense and an idiot because you are unfamiliar with the subject matter.

 

[BeAllied]

There is no reason they shouldn't be able to make money off their name. Autographs, social media, ads, clothing, etc. Now, actual compensation for playing- nope.

That's the loophole though. You can compensate them for playing by saying it's for something else, but it's really not. Players used to be offered no-show jobs. Boosters would pretend to pay them for work rendered, but it was just a way to funnel money to recruits and their family, which is the current problem with shoe companies.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

I wonder how many peoples opinions would change if it was them who were being told they couldn’t get paid to do a job that makes their programs a ton of money. Scholarships break down to a minimum wage job when you factor in school as part of the work that has to be accomplished.

Minimum wage jobs don't provide food, housing and amazing medical insurance, and a ton of other smaller benefits most people have no idea about

 

[fredmanthecatfan]

My original point of this thread was that both the players and the NCAA administrators need to be careful. The NCAA if they take a too hardline approach are going to alienate the players. Also, if the players come off as very demanding, there is a pretty good chance the NCAA will take that hardline approach.
If the NCAA does take that approach, it will drive more 5 star players to the G League and that will hurt college basketball.
What should be done?
I have some ideas, but none of them are without problems