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Can someone explain to me exactly what these are at Northwestern, seeing that they've now cancelled a 2nd game (home against Wisconsin) due to Covid-19 protocols? And, PLEASE, do not hijack this thread into political wrangling about Covid. I'm just trying to understand what they have in place and what they're trying to accomplish with these.
 
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DJ Spanky said:
Can someone explain to me exactly what these are at Northwestern, seeing that they've now cancelled a 2nd game (home against Wisconsin) due to Covid-19 protocols? And, PLEASE, do not hijack this thread into political wrangling about Covid. I'm just trying to understand what they have in place and what they're trying to accomplish with these.
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Following CDC recommendations, they form their protocols.
 
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zappaa said:
Until the CDC says you can play with Covid if you’re asymptomatic or not very sick….this is going to happen.
Only 6 players available.
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Iowa and Wisconsin shouldn’t be penalized, however. By potentially having to play extra games, crowded into the end of the season schedule, they ARE being “penalized.” Both of these should be losses for Northwestern. That’s all I’m saying.
 
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Northwestern is more prone to having postponements like this because they only have a total of 9 scholarship players (or at the most 10, not sure) on their full roster. Since rules usually require at least 7 scholarship players to play a game, Northwestern doesn't have as much leeway as most other schools if a few athletes get sick or are out for other reasons. If Northwestern still wanted to play with less players, medical personnel would have to carefully review the situation and approve the request.
 
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AZBlues said:
Northwestern is more prone to having postponements like this because they only have a total of 9 scholarship players (or at the most 10, not sure) on their full roster. Since rules usually require at least 7 scholarship players to play a game, Northwestern doesn't have as much leeway as most other schools if a few athletes get sick or are out for other reasons. If Northwestern still wanted to play with less players, medical personnel would have to carefully review the situation and approve the request.
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Curious who’s rules say you can’t play without 7 scholarship players available, or any number for that matter?
 
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AZBlues said:
Northwestern is more prone to having postponements like this because they only have a total of 9 scholarship players (or at the most 10, not sure) on their full roster. Since rules usually require at least 7 scholarship players to play a game, Northwestern doesn't have as much leeway as most other schools if a few athletes get sick or are out for other reasons. If Northwestern still wanted to play with less players, medical personnel would have to carefully review the situation and approve the request.
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Northwestern is more prone to this because they are Northwestern.
 
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Another game on Tuesday in jeopardy

Never mind...the Wisconsin-Northwestern game has been rescheduled for Monday at 2:30 PM

badgerextra.com

Wisconsin's game with Northwestern rescheduled, sources say

The Badgers and the Wildcats have a new date for the game that was originally scheduled for Saturday after working through challenges. Here is what we know.
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AZBlues said:
Northwestern is more prone to having postponements like this because they only have a total of 9 scholarship players (or at the most 10, not sure) on their full roster. Since rules usually require at least 7 scholarship players to play a game, Northwestern doesn't have as much leeway as most other schools if a few athletes get sick or are out for other reasons. If Northwestern still wanted to play with less players, medical personnel would have to carefully review the situation and approve the request.
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Why do they have less scholarship players?
 
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zappaa said:
Are they unavailable because they’re sick (fevers, aches) or because they simply tested positive for Covid
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Don't know. Big Ten rules say you can't play if you test covid positive. But I don't know if the unavailable players only tested positive, or if they are feeling sick, or if they are out due to a different illness like flu, or out due to injury.

AZblues said Northwestern only has 9 or 10 scholarship players, so they don't have a lot of leeway in regards to unavailable players.
 
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FrostyTheWestie said:
Big Ten rules say you can't play if you test covid positive.
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So what happens to northwestern in the conference standings if they play 1 less game than everyone else?
 
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zappaa

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fluoxetine said:
Is there a law that says the Big Ten or Northwestern have to follow any CDC rec? Have pro sports leagues still been affected by this?
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Nope.
NY Rangers hockey was hit by flu bug around a week back, guys didn’t practice, guys weren’t 100%…..no one missed a game, no one tested.
 
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And these posts were posted on the Iowa hoops rivals board... I believe the scholarship situation in the second post is accurate, and if NW really has 5 players with Covid among their players who are out, it helps explain things.


"Word on the street is that Northwestern had (5) players test positive,.. So given that they're also down (1) man on the normal (13) man roster, they should have (7) remaining scholarship players available to take the floor."
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"Not quite. Northwestern has 13 players on the roster. Two of them are walk-ons, and one of them was a walk-on who was given a scholarship over last summer because he is a valuable practice contributor and NU had an extra one to give. So NU has only ten true scholarship players. One of those, freshman Luke Hunger, is out for the season with an injury. That leaves nine true scholarship players. Depending on which players have COVID, it is possible that NU has between four and seven true scholarship players available."
 
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Because most people high up in academic have an incredibly broad vocabulary (which they believe makes them highly intelligent) and an incredibly shallow ability to critically think. It's an echo chamber of stupidity. Don't think Rutgers is far from them or any other school.
 
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fluoxetine said:
If you give someone a scholarship, that should count as a scholarship player, wtf?
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I don't really understand the Iowa poster's reasoning either. Seems like a scholarship player is a scholarship player no matter how you look at it, and I don't see where the B1G Protocol states that "7 "true" scholarship players are required for a game...

Regardless, Northwestern has no more than 10 scholarship players, and 2 walk ons, on their current roster (not including the player who is out for the year due to injury) when completely healthy, and they're down 6 players now, so they may very well have less than 7 scholarship players available, and worse, less than 7 players altogether available.
 
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AZBlues said:
This may have been posted previously, but for reference here, this describes the official B1G Conference Protocols (that are still in effect) regarding Covid-related forfeitures... Some other conferences have similar protocols.

https://dailyiowan.com/2021/12/28/big-ten-conference-updates-covid-19-related-forfeiture-rules/
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These rules applied to the 2021-2022 season, not the current season, based on a statement the conference published.

Please point me to the Big Ten statement confirming the rules, “are still in effect,” through the current season.


What concerns me is Northwestern didn’t bother to take advantage of its 13 scholarships, and now is having success pretending an outdated and expired rule still applies to Northwestern.

The Big Ten should demand Northwestern complete the game with its 6 scholarship players and the walk-ons, or forfeit.
 
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Fat Koko said:
These rules applied to the 2021-2022 season, not the current season, based on a statement the conference published.

Please point me to the Big Ten statement confirming the rules, “are still in effect,” through the current season.


What concerns me is Northwestern didn’t bother to take advantage of its 13 scholarships, and now is having success pretending an outdated and expired rule still applies to Northwestern.

The Big Ten should demand Northwestern complete the game with its 6 scholarship players and the walk-ons, or forfeit.
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As far as I’m concerned, we want NW to win since we play them twice and won at their place. So in this instance, I’m glad the games will be played. By the time they play us again it will be impossible for this to happen. It will be within the window where they don’t even bother to test.
 
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Fat Koko said:
These rules applied to the 2021-2022 season, not the current season, based on a statement the conference published.

Please point me to the Big Ten statement confirming the rules, “are still in effect,” through the current season.


What concerns me is Northwestern didn’t bother to take advantage of its 13 scholarships, and now is having success pretending an outdated and expired rule still applies to Northwestern.

The Big Ten should demand Northwestern complete the game with its 6 scholarship players and the walk-ons, or forfeit.
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I wouldn't have posted that the Dec 2021 protocol was still in place if I hadn't seen it stated in several articles today. Here's one from Madison.com.

"The Big Ten's COVID-19 policy last revised in December 2021 is still in place, according to a conference spokesperson. It holds that games that can't be rescheduled are considered either no contest or a forfeit against the team that can't compete."

https://madison.com/sports/article_f6eaee79-6c66-51d8-8977-20a5a469cf06.html
 
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Fat Koko said:
These rules applied to the 2021-2022 season, not the current season, based on a statement the conference published.

Please point me to the Big Ten statement confirming the rules, “are still in effect,” through the current season.


What concerns me is Northwestern didn’t bother to take advantage of its 13 scholarships, and now is having success pretending an outdated and expired rule still applies to Northwestern.

The Big Ten should demand Northwestern complete the game with its 6 scholarship players and the walk-ons, or forfeit.
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Well they are playing Monday and supposedly Tuesday
 
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AZBlues said:
I wouldn't have posted that the Dec 2021 protocol was still in place if I hadn't seen it stated in several articles today. Here's one from Madison.com.

"The Big Ten's COVID-19 policy last revised in December 2021 is still in place, according to a conference spokesperson. It holds that games that can't be rescheduled are considered either no contest or a forfeit against the team that can't compete."

https://madison.com/sports/article_f6eaee79-6c66-51d8-8977-20a5a469cf06.html
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Maybe true, maybe not. Press releases from the Big Ten on Covid-19 protocols rained down for two years but I don’t see a single Big Ten document stating the 2021-2022 protocols have been extended.

Would not be a surprise if the Big Ten has undocumented policies, just as the conference’s many loans to Rutgers were not put into writing until years after the loans to Rutgers were funded, an outrageous account practice.

Anyway, if the policy remains in place, it explicitly enables the conference to declare a forfeit in the event of a no-show inspired by Covid-19.

In 2023, when Covid-19 travel restrictions are non-existent and teams in a 5-player game are allowed 13 scholarship players, teams have no excuse not to turn up prepared to play. When doesn’t feel ready to play, the Big Ten should emphatically declare the verdict of forfeit.
 
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Well, since they are already trying to replay the games, it would seem like there will be no need to worry about any forfeits. However, it would make sense that they couldn't be replayed or this happened near the end of the season for some team, then they should definitely be forfeits given it might have a significant impact on the opposing team.
 
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Because most people high up in academic have an incredibly broad vocabulary (which they believe makes them highly intelligent) and an incredibly shallow ability to critically think. It's an echo chamber of stupidity. Don't think Rutgers is far from them or any other school.
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Rutgers current policy:

"On September 9, 2021, President Joe Biden signed Executive Order 14042 requiring vaccination against COVID-19 for many employees of federal contractors and others. Subsequently, the Federal Worker Safety Task Force issued guidance clarifying the vaccination mandate, and it is now clear that Rutgers University must comply with the Executive Order because the university is both a federal contractor and, in many instances, a federal subcontractor. We hold hundreds of direct federal contracts and are involved through many relationships in countless subcontracts, which we anticipate will include vaccination requirements pursuant to the Executive Order. Additionally, vaccination will help protect the health and safety of all members of the university community and the people with whom they interact. Therefore, to ensure compliance with the Executive Order and Task Force guidance and to protect the health and safety of the university community, all Rutgers employees are required to be vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19. Medical and religious exemptions are the only permissible exceptions."

Hey, guess what, Rutgers? Executive Order 14042 w as effectively abandoned October 19, 2022. But Rutgers likes to live in the past:

"Update Regarding Executive Order 14042 (October 19, 2022)


Consistent with the October 14, 2022 notification from the Office of Management and Budget (“OMB”) and the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force (“Task Force”) below, OMB has issued guidance to agencies concerning the implementation of Executive Order 14042, Ensuring Adequate COVID Safety Protocols for Federal Contractors (Sept. 9, 2021). Despite the lifting of the nationwide bar to enforcement on October 18, 2022, at this time agencies should not: (1) take any steps to require covered contractors and subcontractors to come into compliance with previously issued Task Force guidance; or (2) enforce any contract clauses implementing Executive Order 14042. To allow time to develop advice and processes for meeting agencies’ obligations under Executive Order 14042 and applicable court orders, agencies should follow the instructions provided in the OMB guidance here.




 
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