North Carolina Scandal Etc
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Still waiting for BobbyG to answer the question that even though he says it's an academic scandal but athletes took the classes should the athletes be punished. If not explain why they shouldn't.
Clearly this guy has been hired to keep this scandal away from athletics, which is fine because that ship has sailed no matter what he writes.
My biggest problem with all of this, however, is that it seems everyone wants to either classify the scandal as athletic or academic, depending on where your interests lie. But in reality, it was both. It doesn't matter whether it was driven or initiated by athletics (it very well could have been). What matters is that athletics was very much wrapped up in the fake courses in order to keep athletes eligible. This much can't be debated, even by the hardcore UNC apologists. So characterize it however you want. The bottom line is that this was an unprecedented academic fraud that was either orchestrated or knowingly and fraudulently taken advantage in a material way by athletics, including basketball, football, and others.
My biggest problem with all of this, however, is that it seems everyone wants to either classify the scandal as athletic or academic, depending on where your interests lie. But in reality, it was both. It doesn't matter whether it was driven or initiated by athletics (it very well could have been). What matters is that athletics was very much wrapped up in the fake courses in order to keep athletes eligible. This much can't be debated, even by the hardcore UNC apologists. So characterize it however you want. The bottom line is that this was an unprecedented academic fraud that was either orchestrated or knowingly and fraudulently taken advantage in a material way by athletics, including basketball, football, and others.
* All those Carolina players driving cars given to them by an ex-Felon? That was an "Automotive Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* Tami Hansbrough given a no-work job so she could sleep with a married UNC official and travel to her ND son's games on state taxpayer dollars? That's a "Floozy Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* PJ Hairston busted with a gun and drugs in an improperly rented car? That's a "Target Practice Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* Will Graves busted for illicit drugs inside a house owned by Roy Williams? That's a "Housing Crisis Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* Being charged by the NCAA with Five Counts of Loss of Institutional Control of the athletic department? That's an "Institution Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
And so on. And on and on.
* Tami Hansbrough given a no-work job so she could sleep with a married UNC official and travel to her ND son's games on state taxpayer dollars? That's a "Floozy Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* PJ Hairston busted with a gun and drugs in an improperly rented car? That's a "Target Practice Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* Will Graves busted for illicit drugs inside a house owned by Roy Williams? That's a "Housing Crisis Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
* Being charged by the NCAA with Five Counts of Loss of Institutional Control of the athletic department? That's an "Institution Scandal" not an athletic scandal.
And so on. And on and on.
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The part they always miss is that even if it was found to not be driven by sports, the players were still involved.
It was driven by sports, though. Just look at the percentages, and the likelihood of a student-athlete being enrolled in the sham courses as opposed to a non-athlete. It's pretty damn obvious to everyone else. I'm at work right now, but I'll post that information later. It's very eye-opening.
I don't know Chad, who do you think should be preseason #1?
And you know I don't like defending the cheats at all.
I don't think anyone deserves to be consensus #1. Personally, I have Kansas but could buy arguments for Kentucky, North Carolina and Maryland, as well.
Can you answer the simple question on this topic?
How athletes can make up a tiny, tiny percentage of the student population, but were a majority of the participants in these fake classes, and yet you are willing to claim that this is not primarily done for the benefit of athletic eligibility?
In what other context would you actually buy that nonsense? If the Enron guys had tried to divert attention and had brought in a bunch of outsiders so that 48% of the people committing insider trading had been unaffiliated with the company, would you buy that the whole thing wasn't orchestrated for the benefit of the guys within the company?
Or a Dean's List recipient...according to UNC**
That Rhodes scholar was named Rashad McCants -- a member of the Dean's List at your esteemed university after making all A's during a semester when he has admitted to never attending a single class or writing a single paper. You must be so proud to generate such notable Athletes -- or should I say Academics, since that pointless distinction seems to mean so much to UNC-CHeaters. But I see it doesn't mean much to the NCAA, who ignored it in charging your school with five major counts of Loss of Institutional Control, among other major violations.
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Pete Rose betting on baseball was a bookie-driven scandal.
@BobbyG_tickle_swerv is the most naive poster on these boards. He's fun to laugh at.
It's a lonely soap box when everyone knows everything you are saying is bullsh!t, and prove it to you.
You've got lots of people going here, but we both know in the darkest moments of your thoughts, UNC is a cheating can. Rashad mcCants proves your school is a complete sham. Deal with it
I look at it like a sophisticated bank robbery.
20 people on the bank minus the workers.
20 people in class minus the **cough cough** teachers.
14 of the 20 in the bank are there to rob it
14 of the 20 are athletes in class at UNC.
6 people are in the bank to allow for confusion when alarms go off.
6 others are in class in AFAM to allow for confusions once the whistle blows.
Or something
UNC fans know they've been busted, they just don't know how to accept punishment.
Clintons server was a conservative driven "technological" scandal
Nixons issues were "independent departmental" scandal
John Edwards chasing ambulances and cheating on his dying wife isn't a "war on women" it's a "biological natured" scandal.
They are simply using the political party methods to stay up and like msnbc, nbc, abc, cbs, cnn etc are to the dems, ESPN is doing the same exact pettifogging for UNC.
Sorry, but I put no stock in an article written by a guy making a documentary about how the media is sensationalizing this very real scandal. Bethel is far from objective and has zero credibility.
Oh yeah, a bored Rhodes scholar who needed a nap more then he needed an imaginary class.
The NCAA is ripping their hair out right now trying to figure out how to spin this and not take away banners but still look as if they were punished[roll]
According to Wainstein ...
Student-athletes made up 47.4% of the bogus classes, yet they only comprise 4% of the university student body.
I'm not a statistician, but that seems very disproportionate.
Student-athletes made up 47.4% of the bogus classes, yet they only comprise 4% of the university student body.
I'm not a statistician, but that seems very disproportionate.
Stop with the facts, you are causing mental breakdowns with the baby blue fanbase.
[roll][poop][roll][sick]
You're embarrassing. I could see the angle though. Throw a couple diamonds in that pile of sht to keep the smell down.
Hi, I'm a Rhodes scholar majoring in business with an emphasis on finance. Better take that Afam class [roll]
I don't believe there is a clear #1 right now. Everyone has big question marks, including us. We'll know by late December where everyone stands. I don't think UNCheat will be in the discussion for #1 at that point. KU either.
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