No respect
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All good...stay on the DL....jump ‘em in the alley and take their lunch money.
He's not wrong. Many here seem to under a false premise that we lost more than other B1G programs, but it's just not the case. We return more than almost everyone else
I do as well. I think under the radar, bit of chip on the shoulder is exactly what this team needs this year. Perfect.
I said in another thread that someone on Indiana’s message board said something along the line of “Rutgers’ recent success against us doesn’t matter because they suck”. I mean, what?
**** these clowns, I wonder what the excuses will be this year when we beat em like a drum in their hype year
**** these clowns, I wonder what the excuses will be this year when we beat em like a drum in their hype year
To play devil's advocate here, there are a few things to point out.
They're all Big Ten honorable mentions, so that's disingenuous.
Paul led the Big Ten in turnovers per game last season too.
The Patriot League is a low-major league, not mid-major. It's not the A10 or the AAC. They're playing Lafayette twice a year.
They're all Big Ten honorable mentions, so that's disingenuous.
Paul led the Big Ten in turnovers per game last season too.
The Patriot League is a low-major league, not mid-major. It's not the A10 or the AAC. They're playing Lafayette twice a year.
We lost two big parts
Lets have a reality check
Not sure whining over is appropriate
Lets have a reality check
Not sure whining over is appropriate
Am i missing the scoring recruits we have coming
Indiana has some of the worst fans in the big 10. They do not like rutgers because we were a threat and now we have caught up with them. They arent going away and they have a great arena. That is why we have to do these RAC renovations.
Well, if we're saying that this is a Top 4 Big Ten team then we're an NCAA Tournament lock and one of the favorites to win the Big Ten. Is anyone prepared to say that? I'm not.
We lost two major veteran scorers who were capable of creating their own shots and delivering in pressure situations in end games when everyone knew where the ball was going. Quick, who is getting the ball in the last 10 seconds when we need a bucket? Yeah, we added Spencer. By all indications he's an excellent spot up shooter but in this league but you need guys that you can count on to get you some buckets when not everything is running on all cylinders EVERY NIGHT. And there are two sides of the floor. I'm not sold that a backcourt of Mulcahy and Spencer is capable of putting the clamps on Big Ten guards.
We lost two major veteran scorers who were capable of creating their own shots and delivering in pressure situations in end games when everyone knew where the ball was going. Quick, who is getting the ball in the last 10 seconds when we need a bucket? Yeah, we added Spencer. By all indications he's an excellent spot up shooter but in this league but you need guys that you can count on to get you some buckets when not everything is running on all cylinders EVERY NIGHT. And there are two sides of the floor. I'm not sold that a backcourt of Mulcahy and Spencer is capable of putting the clamps on Big Ten guards.
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I tell you, I get no respect. The other day I was in a hotel and I said to the desk clerk, "Excuse me but I seem to have forgotten which room I'm in."
"No problem," he relied. "You're in the lobby."
I get no respect.
"No problem," he relied. "You're in the lobby."
I get no respect.
People seem to keep questioning the who gets the ball with 10 secs left type question. To me that's pretty obvious. Paul will have the ball and the play will likely be Paul and Cliff high ball screen
Spencer Simpson plus player development of current roster
I'm questioning who we can hand the ball to and rely on him to get us out of scoring droughts by just handing him the ball and letting him beat his man. Geo and Ron made countless baskets without the help of anyone and also when everyone knew they were going to take the shot.
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I will legitimately be disappointed if this team does not make the NCAAs. We lost Harper (big loss) and Geo. I expect a lot of what Geo brought to be made up with Spencer. Everyone else has an extra year under their belt.
I expect the B1G to be extremely competitive but the talent looks to be down from the past couple of years. I believe there are only 3 B1G teams in the preseason Top 25 and none of them are Top 10.
Barring injuries, anything less than the NCAAs is a bust.
I expect the B1G to be extremely competitive but the talent looks to be down from the past couple of years. I believe there are only 3 B1G teams in the preseason Top 25 and none of them are Top 10.
Barring injuries, anything less than the NCAAs is a bust.
We lost some we got some, who knows? Top tier programs get the benefit of the doubt that all the question marks will turn out on the plus side. I don't expect that respect from national media. But for me, because of Steve Pikiell I have that level of confidence in RU until proven otherwise.
I don't want respect at this point of the season. Just keeping saying we suck and we will see what happens.
All of our expected top competition have many questions, too.
Illinois lost Kofi Cockburn (HUGE loss), Austin Hutcherson (?). Curbelo and four other guys transferred. They have some hyped recruits and transfers coming in but nothing like Kofi. They only have FOUR returning players from last year's roster. Those four played a combined 16.3% of their minutes last season and scored less than 15% of their points. Yet they are well regarded by many.
Indiana returns their big names and lost four transfers. There are some highly-rated recruits coming in but other than Xavier Johnson, the backcourt is a big question IMO.
Iowa lost Keegan Murray, a big time loss, and Joe Toussaint transferred to WVU. A lot will depend on what Kris Murray can do.
Michigan lost three (Jones, Diabate, Houstan) to the NBA draft/pros. Again, multiple big name recruits are coming in, but they lost a lot.
Michigan State lost Christie, Bingham, and Gabe Brown, plus Marble transferred. They lost their top thee scorers, leading rebounder, and two top shot blockers. That's a lot to replace.
Ohio State lost Liddell and Branham to the draft, Ahrens and Meechie Johnson to the portal. They do have a strong recruiting class, but can those guys replace someone like Liddell in year one?
Purdue lost Jaden Ivey and Trevion Williams. Stefanovic is finally gone. Thompson and Hunter transferred. The backcourt took a huge hit there. Who's ready to step in for those guys? Who gets the ball with ten seconds left, to borrow a popular question here? Edey? Someone has to be able to get it to him. Can he play 32 minutes a night? I see lots of questions here.
Wisconsin lost their top stat Johnny Davis to the NBA. Brad Davison finally ran out of eligibility too. Who is replacing those guys?
After reading the above, WHY NOT US in the top four again?
Illinois lost Kofi Cockburn (HUGE loss), Austin Hutcherson (?). Curbelo and four other guys transferred. They have some hyped recruits and transfers coming in but nothing like Kofi. They only have FOUR returning players from last year's roster. Those four played a combined 16.3% of their minutes last season and scored less than 15% of their points. Yet they are well regarded by many.
Indiana returns their big names and lost four transfers. There are some highly-rated recruits coming in but other than Xavier Johnson, the backcourt is a big question IMO.
Iowa lost Keegan Murray, a big time loss, and Joe Toussaint transferred to WVU. A lot will depend on what Kris Murray can do.
Michigan lost three (Jones, Diabate, Houstan) to the NBA draft/pros. Again, multiple big name recruits are coming in, but they lost a lot.
Michigan State lost Christie, Bingham, and Gabe Brown, plus Marble transferred. They lost their top thee scorers, leading rebounder, and two top shot blockers. That's a lot to replace.
Ohio State lost Liddell and Branham to the draft, Ahrens and Meechie Johnson to the portal. They do have a strong recruiting class, but can those guys replace someone like Liddell in year one?
Purdue lost Jaden Ivey and Trevion Williams. Stefanovic is finally gone. Thompson and Hunter transferred. The backcourt took a huge hit there. Who's ready to step in for those guys? Who gets the ball with ten seconds left, to borrow a popular question here? Edey? Someone has to be able to get it to him. Can he play 32 minutes a night? I see lots of questions here.
Wisconsin lost their top stat Johnny Davis to the NBA. Brad Davison finally ran out of eligibility too. Who is replacing those guys?
After reading the above, WHY NOT US in the top four again?
Exactly. People act like we lost big players and other teams return everyone
We return more minutes and production than any team except 1 I believe. TOS had an article breaking it down with every B1G team and we were second pretty sure
Why are you assuming giving the ball to someone to go one on one is the best way to end a scoring drought?
You could argue that's a much less effective way to approach it
The offense will run through Paul and Cliff. If you don't they can get it done, that's a different question. Asking who will we go to, that's the likely answer
Totally agree. However, I'm sure that Pike is well aware of end of shot clock situations and has been working on it in practice. Whether Ron and Geo can be replaced is, I assume, one of his major concerns. We'll have to see how it plays out.
I dont mind it
Give the guys a chip on their shoulder...I am sure Pike loves it this way
Give the guys a chip on their shoulder...I am sure Pike loves it this way
Rutgers loss 28 points with the departure of Harper and Baker which is the reason for the preseason predictions.Nobody knows which players will step up in scoring against Big Ten competition.Fans should be optimistic,however, based on the players returning and the addition of new players.The early season game at home against Indiana will give some indication as to how strong Rutgers will be against perceived top competition.
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Simpson has not played one minute
Spencer is unproven at this stepped up level of competition
Others schools also develop their roster
Lack off go to guy. Mulchay hasnt had that role
Its certainly reasonable to say Rutgers is a top 8 school in the Big 10 but its a stretch to say respect when they just lost 2 1000 point scorers
who can step back and drain a 3?
Alot of questions need to be answered first
Even if Geo wasnt the main scoring cog, opposing defenses always respected him and he was a main focus of their defense. With both Geo and Ron gone, Cliff will get much more focus...and do we have the proper players to back Cliff up. Big questions at the 4 spot
You can't ask who is an incoming recruit then point to no minutes lol
Hopefully no one is taking step back 3's. Those are low percentage shots
You still seem to bot be factoring in other teams losing scoring. It's fine for everyone else but Rutgers apparently
All true. So what's different about other programs and their numerous holes that are still higher pre-season ranked? My guess is recruiting rankings. We have lower ranked pieces filling in the holes than other top programs. But as I said before, until proven otherwise, confidence in Pikeill fills that gap for me.
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Like how this team is shaping up , but right now , a chip in the sholder is exactly what this team needs
we need to not mess around and start 6-0….and if that means saying our team doesn’t belong in the big ten to motivate them , then whatever powers the energy in November to 6-0, I am ALL FOR
we need to not mess around and start 6-0….and if that means saying our team doesn’t belong in the big ten to motivate them , then whatever powers the energy in November to 6-0, I am ALL FOR
Are they bigger losses than Jaden Ivey and Trevion Williams, leaving Edey with no proven help?
Bigger than MSU losing their top three scorers and top two big men?
Bigger than Illinois only returning dour scholarship guys who played less than 20% of their minutes as a team?
Other teams will have to respect Spencer's 3 point shooting even more than Geo's. If anything, Spencer spaces the floor more for Cliff
We are clearlyyy better at the 5 this year than last year. The 5 spot will be much improved
This year's Cliff > Last year's Cliff
This year's Dean > Last year's Dean
Woolfolk > Agee
As for the 4, it's actually the deepest position on the roster. Questions as to the minutes distribution, but we have Mag, Dean, Hyatt, Chol, and Oscar who can all play there. Even Paul and Caleb could if we really needed them to. A lot of options and versatility for Pike.
One of the big questions for this year's team is finding the right minutes distribution and lineup combinations
I feel like we are talking in circles here. If every other team returned everyone and only we lost Baker and Harper then sure
We return more production than any other B1G team except 2 overall
IN TERMS OF SCORING, WE RETURN THE 3RD MOST PRODUCTION
I don’t want to link the article from TOS about this, but just found it again. Google it
Probably “It’s not fair” which is something a child says to their daddy
Only 3 of the 17 players named to the All B1G teams are returning. Those are 14 All B1G players from other schools who were lost
I guess if you think Pike built a fluke and it's all going down the drain since it was all Geo and Ron then sure
The reality is we return more production not less. This is an advantage compared to the rest of the league not a disadvantage
I guess if you think Pike built a fluke and it's all going down the drain since it was all Geo and Ron then sure
The reality is we return more production not less. This is an advantage compared to the rest of the league not a disadvantage
How are we going to replace Sanders?
How are we going to replace Eugene?
How are we going to replace Myles?
How are we going to replace Young?
How are we going to replace Yeboah?
How are we going to replace Mathis?
How are we going to replace Geo?
How are we going to replace Harper?
How are we going to replace Cliff?
How are we going to replace Paul?
Teams lose good players every year. The better we get as a program, the better players we will lose
Every team has these type of questions after every season
How are other teams going to replace Murray, Ivy, Trevion, Davis etc etc etc?
How are we going to replace Eugene?
How are we going to replace Myles?
How are we going to replace Young?
How are we going to replace Yeboah?
How are we going to replace Mathis?
How are we going to replace Geo?
How are we going to replace Harper?
How are we going to replace Cliff?
How are we going to replace Paul?
Teams lose good players every year. The better we get as a program, the better players we will lose
Every team has these type of questions after every season
How are other teams going to replace Murray, Ivy, Trevion, Davis etc etc etc?
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I think it's understandable since Rutgers depth is both unproven and was not as highly regarded as prospects. That stops mattering once the games get played obviously but it's very easy to see why people assume Purdue or Michigan or whoever will have an easier time replacing what was lost than Rutgers.
Indiana - everyone back is proven
Illinois - Two Big 12 transfers who were borderline stars in that league plus multiple top-75 recruits
Purdue - A ton of top-100 recruits stepping into bigger roles
Michigan - Same as Purdue plus a coveted PG transfer
Iowa - Literally the identical twin of a lottery pick, and Kris was plenty productive last year.
When you compare it to that I can see how Rutgers is perceived as behind. Yes Mawot Mag and Dean Reiber had nice moments but so did Caleb Furst (Purdue) and RJ Melendez (Illinois) and Terrence Williams (Michigan) and Payton Sandfort (Iowa) etc etc
Indiana - everyone back is proven
Illinois - Two Big 12 transfers who were borderline stars in that league plus multiple top-75 recruits
Purdue - A ton of top-100 recruits stepping into bigger roles
Michigan - Same as Purdue plus a coveted PG transfer
Iowa - Literally the identical twin of a lottery pick, and Kris was plenty productive last year.
When you compare it to that I can see how Rutgers is perceived as behind. Yes Mawot Mag and Dean Reiber had nice moments but so did Caleb Furst (Purdue) and RJ Melendez (Illinois) and Terrence Williams (Michigan) and Payton Sandfort (Iowa) etc etc
Not a proponent of the “We’ll never replace X” philosophy of projecting our upcoming season.
We’ve been through this before, and recently. First, when Corey left early, then again when Eugene transferred, and then again when Myles and Young left.
Returning players get better, new players contribute, and maybe most importantly, team chemistry and coaching evolves.
Pike has plenty to work with this year. It won’t be the same team, but we can find a way to be just as good, and just as successful.
We’ve been through this before, and recently. First, when Corey left early, then again when Eugene transferred, and then again when Myles and Young left.
Returning players get better, new players contribute, and maybe most importantly, team chemistry and coaching evolves.
Pike has plenty to work with this year. It won’t be the same team, but we can find a way to be just as good, and just as successful.