No gimme vs Vandy

502 Wildcat

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Vanderbilt is a good shooting team, but I still think you make them jack 3's over extended arms vs letting them spread you out and attack off the bounce. Their guards can really do some damage playing like that.

I agree with the notion that we should pack it in, like we did against Arkansas.

The other key: Oscar. Big O MUST eat tonight. Without Robbins, there is no excuse for him to not absolutely dominate these dudes. In fact, our overall margin on the boards should be substantial.

If we win points in the paint and second chance points like we should, and stay out of foul trouble, we "should" win unless Vandy just has a huge night from the perimeter. But that is what you have to make them do.

If this team is going to make a run, they need to show tonight that what happened at Rupp was a fluke and is unacceptable. This is their chance to prove that they are dogs.

Rip Cinderella's slipper off tonight, burn it, and piss on the ashes.
 

DaDirtyLeb69

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I mean, we beat Arkansas, Tennessee and Mississippi State… oh yeah, and UK.

UK may blow us out but you haven’t been paying attention to the SEC if this is really your take.
You guy are playin really good right now no doubt, at some point robbins being out is going to hurt you all in a game.
 
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Friedas_Boss

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You guy are playin really good right now no doubt, at some point robbins being out is going to hurt you all in a game.

I agree with that. Robbins made everything easier and I do think we get exposed tonight.

To be clear though, we’ve been exposed since he got hurt and still out executed our opponents, which is our only way to win.

To your point though, I think between Toppin and Oscar, y’all crush us on the boards and that ends up being the difference.
 
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ORCAT

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Watched them last night in Bridgestone and they were looking good, imo. They are playing best they have all season. However, they weren't playing Kentucky last night and LSU looked real bad. If our good defensive team shows up tonight we should be good. If not, it could be a real struggle. Hope Wallace can go and be his real self.
 
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DaDirtyLeb69

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I agree with that. Robbins made everything easier and I do think we get exposed tonight.

To be clear though, we’ve been exposed since we got hurt and still out executed our opponents, which is our only way to win.

To your point though, I think between Toppin and Oscar, y’all crush us on the boards and that ends up being the difference.
Some on here acting like it will easy are being crazy. Between wright, Lawrence and the other guard I can’t think of his name, they will score. My thing is Kentucky missed literally every open shot they took against vandy last time, I just can’t see them doing that again. But vandy is hot right now and it will be another good game, I say Kentucky by 5 or 6. But I’d do know one thing for sure, mollora-brown isn’t hitting another buzzer beater 3 against us
 
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LineSkiCat14

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I'm not too terribly worried. I think we will have a much better contingency plan for PG, as opposed to when we lost Cason mid game. I don't think we're going to overlook them like last time. And Vandy might start to get tired legs at some point in this game after last night.

On top of all this, we may get Cason back, but they for sure won't have Robbins.

The key is we just can't start flat. Those first 10 minutes will be the biggest of the game IMO. I could very much see Kentucky sleep walking to start the game, while Vandy will be looser having played last night. And if that happens, we could lose.
 
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Friedas_Boss

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I agree with the 2nd statement. It's not even a home game for Vandy when we play them at their home arena.

That’s just not true at all…

I’ve probably been to 30 Vandy - UK games at Memorial and I’d say UK had more fans there maybe twice (and that was probably the last two years (no students last year and pissed fanbase this year)).
 

502 Wildcat

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I'm not too terribly worried. I think we will have a much better contingency plan for PG, as opposed to when we lost Cason mid game. I don't think we're going to overlook them like last time. And Vandy might start to get tired legs at some point in this game after last night.

On top of all this, we may get Cason back, but they for sure won't have Robbins.

The key is we just can't start flat. Those first 10 minutes will be the biggest of the game IMO. I could very much see Kentucky sleep walking to start the game, while Vandy will be looser having played last night. And if that happens, we could lose.

I agree. The flow of the game is crucial.

IMO, even though we played like crap, if we had maintained our 5-6 point lead in the first half at Rupp, instead of letting them go into the locker room up 4, we win. You can't let a desperate team have hope the entire game. You have to keep them at bay and make them play tight.
 
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STL_Cat

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That’s just not true at all.
Well I can tell you that the last game I went to there, there was far more blue in the arena than Black and Gold. Even my 6 year old (at the time) couldn't believe it. It might have been in Vandy's building, but the crowd was 60-40 blue to black and gold. Maybe when Vandy improves again they'll continue to get more support, but "Go Big Blue" chants were rocking that house the last time I was there in 2020.
 

502 Wildcat

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That’s just not true at all…

I’ve probably been to 30 Vandy - UK games at Memorial and I’d say UK had more fans there maybe twice (and that was probably the last two years (no students last year and pissed fanbase this year)).

I've never been to Memorial but I feel like UK commonly having "more" fans there is a stretch.

You say UK has had more fans twice that you can recall.

What would you put that number at if we are talking a split crowd or a close to equal crowd?
 

Friedas_Boss

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Well I can tell you that the last game I went to there, there was far more blue in the arena than Black and Gold. Even my 6 year old (at the time) couldn't believe it. It might have been in Vandy's building, but the crowd was 60-40 blue to black and gold. Maybe when Vandy improves again they'll continue to get more support, but "Go Big Blue" chants were rocking that house the last time I was there in 2020.

Yeah, it’s been bad since Covid. Vanderbilt is a hyper liberal school and we have a conservative fanbase and they did some things politically that pissed off a vast majority of our fanbase.

Winning is the only cure to change (well, and getting further away to the election year where they went all political).
 

STL_Cat

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I've never been to Memorial but I feel like UK commonly having "more" fans there is a stretch.

You say UK has had more fans twice that you can recall.

What would you put that number at if we are talking a split crowd or a close to equal crowd?
I was there in 2020 (pre-COVID). There was absolutely more blue in that arena than Black and Gold that year. It wasn't even close.
 

STL_Cat

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Yeah, it’s been bad since Covid. Vanderbilt is a hyper liberal school and we have a conservative fanbase and they did some things politically that pissed off a vast majority of our fanbase.

Winning is the only cure to change (well, and getting further away to the election year where they went all political).
This was right before the COVID shutdown, February 2020.
 

Friedas_Boss

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I've never been to Memorial but I feel like UK commonly having "more" fans there is a stretch.

You say UK has had more fans twice that you can recall.

What would you put that number at if we are talking a split crowd or a close to equal crowd?

Maybe a handful. Most of the time is 4-5k UK fans, the only thing that fluctuates is how many Vandy fans. We’ve had a good program the majority of the past 30 years but we’ve sucked for the last 5-6 years so that is the window in which it’s even debatable.
 

Friedas_Boss

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This was right before the COVID shutdown, February 2020.

Did you go prior to Bryce Drew destroying the program? You wouldn’t feel the same way if so, we’ve just sucked, Vandy is liberal, bad combo for a small fanbase.

That probably changes moving forward.
 

STL_Cat

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Did you go prior to Bryce Drew destroying the program? You wouldn’t feel the same way if so, we’ve just sucked, Vandy is liberal, bad combo for a small fanbase.

That probably changes moving forward.
I can remember Vandy having a nice home court advantage, yes. I'm just saying what it's been like since 2020. Place was FULL of blue, and again this was pre Covid.
 

Friedas_Boss

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I can remember Vandy having a nice home court advantage, yes. I'm just saying what it's been like since 2020. Place was FULL of blue, and again this was pre Covid.

So the year after we went 0-19 in the SEC fired our coach and our whole team left? Got it, that makes sense.

It’s a dumb statement historically, but true if recent.
 

STL_Cat

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So the year after we went 0-19 in the SEC fired our coach and our whole team left? Got it, that makes sense.

It’s a dumb statement historically, but true if recent.
Yeah. It was like Rupp Arena south in there, was awesome.
 

kyjeff1

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The NET doesn’t reward winning, a major flaw in the metric. Hopefully the selection committee looks at the fact we’ve won 9 of 10 including these wins:

UTjr
@Florida with Castleton
Auburn
Florida again who is 63 in NET
@UK
Miss St


And we’ve also beat Arky and Pitt

For 2/3 of the season, we’ve played like a top 20 team and that’s the 2/3 entering post season play.

Hope the computer nerds hired some humans to make these selections.
Bad losses are weighted way more than they should be.
You lose to a quad 4 in January, you can't get that scent off of you if yiu beat the 96 Bulls three straight games.
That needs to he changed.
 
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Kybluedude

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Yeah, it’s been bad since Covid. Vanderbilt is a hyper liberal school and we have a conservative fanbase and they did some things politically that pissed off a vast majority of our fanbase.

Winning is the only cure to change (well, and getting further away to the election year where they went all political).
That’s an interesting contradiction? Liberal school but then a conservative fanbase. What happens… real world changes?

Also, I was surprised Bryce Drew failed there.
 
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HenryMuto

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Of course it is no gimme pretty sure everyone here understands that considering we just lost at home to this team and now we are playing in Nashville.
 
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That’s an interesting contradiction? Liberal school but then a conservative fanbase. What happens… real world changes?

Also, I was surprised Bryce Drew failed there.
Vandy messed up when they thought they could do better than Stallings. They have been to the NCAA tournament 15 times in their 123 year history and 8 of those were with Kevin Stallings. They've had 8 coaches over the last 50 years or so and he has the 2nd highest win percentage and highest conference win percentage. He was probably the ceiling of the coach they can attract there.
 
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MSU not impressive yesterday. They and UF went 10-50 from 3. Cool 20%. that said it’s win or go home. They won. Next.
 
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Friedas_Boss

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That’s an interesting contradiction? Liberal school but then a conservative fanbase. What happens… real world changes?

Also, I was surprised Bryce Drew failed there.

1) Liberalism is new.

2) Most of our fans aren’t VU grads.

3) A majority of sports fans aren’t liberals and hate politics so when a school injects politics into their sports programs, the fans get pissed.
 
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qwesley

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Spread teams always give us trouble.

Toppin needs to be on Wright. He kills us because we crowd him which does not work.
 
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