NJ.com Schiano Article

[RUfromSoCal?]

I know we all want to react and over-react and justify and explain.....

I assure you...... the moment Dumb Bill made this about Stanford, and Michigan and LSU............ it became a dead issue......

NJ.com will promote this for clicks............ you need to ignore the noise........

Those other schools and states will CRUSH this (and this guy).............

literally.......... it's over.....

how can Mel Tucker and David Shaw get paid so much money???? you're kidding....... you think this topic will have any legs?

Corrupt Bill got a day of PR (which is all he really wanted)... and NJAM is either "in" on the scam or are too dumb to see it. No one west of Rt 3 cares what this 2nd-rate Congressman thinks...

move on.

 

[Retired711]

The only solution to this issue is to get more Rutgers alumni in the statehouse. Pascrell is a Fordham grad, so he doesn’t have a clue about big time football. Sargent is an investigative journalist now, so I guess that‘s what his investigations will focus on.

I've never seen a study, but I think that in a lot of states the best state university is not heavily represented in the legislature. That's certainly true of California and New York. And I don't think it's unusual for there to be a lot of alums of Catholic-affiliated colleges as here in New Jersey. u'd find the same pattern in Congress. Of course here in New Jersey our governors tend to have gone to college elsewhere -- Christie was the only governor since Kean and Florio to have gone to college in New Jersey.

 

[RUnTeX]

Rutgers does not have a big endowment compared to other public schools.

I think this is better qualified by saying "compared to a handful of other flagship public schools".

 

[lloyde dobler]

I’m not a Pascrell fan at all, and he‘s raising an issue that will go nowhere. But isn’t it something that if it played out to his liking (which it won’t, which is again on him for basically grandstanding), would help Rutgers, since it would level the salary/expense field and put everyone on more of a level playing field? He’s not just calling out Rutgers, he’s calling out everyone. But again, as long as people are being called out, so should he for grandstanding.

 

[RUnTeX]

I'll never understand how the tuition at Rutgers has been allowed to increase so dramatically over the years.
In 1970 it was $200 a semester plus $31.50 in student fees. Now it's what...$5,000 ? For a STATE university ?
Have costs increased anywhere near that much for Rutgers since the 70s ?

It's actually about $7,500 per semester in tuition & fees (in-state), so $15K per year. A little more than double those figures for out-of-state. Those are 2020-21 data for Rutgers-NB in general.

 

[JudgeSmails56]

Stop clicking on nj.com articles.. F them!

 

[RUforester72]

So ironic that a slimy US Congressman would insist that taxpayers should know how their funds are spent when they typically hide as much pork as possible in their everyday budget routine. God help them if the average taxpayer cared enough to examine what really goes on there.

 

[RUnTeX]

NJ has the 4th highest charges for tuition and fees for in -state residents . That should not be .

Perhaps not, but if there's truth to NJ being a top 5 expensive/highest cost of living state to live in, then it's not completely illogical that the public universities in the state could be top 5 for in-state costs.

 

[MidwestKnights]

I skimmed through the article. The headline is obvious click bait. The there are two separate issues. One is the issue that the headline invents. NJ tax payers contribute very little to what GS makes. We have been down this road 100 times. People continue to assume that state colleges are 100% tax payer funded like public high schools. They are not. Football is a revenue sport. The premise of the argument is wrong and every time it is brought up key facts are omitted.

The second issue, and the one that is fair to discuss, is whether colleges get too many advantages in the tax code. If the letter was sent to 50 schools and Rutgers only got one because the congressman had to include his home state on the list… I don’t have a horse in that race, but it centers a lot more around endowments then it does football. Unfortunately, NJ.com rarely passes on a chance to take a swipe at RU so we get the lazy headline and the typical rambling train wreck of an article filled with disconnected pieces of information.

Exactly. It's part of a much larger issue and unfortunately NJ.com uses the headline and framing to take another shot at Rutgers. As we all know, RU Athletics is much more budget conscious and restricted than almost all of our peers. The overall question raised by Pascrell in the article is legitimate however, and I think is being driven by the USC and LSU drama this past fall.

And when you consider the decades long lack of investment in college classrooms and infrastructure at many public universities, headline $100 million contracts become fair game for the press, public, and the politicians that head tax-writing committees in Congress.

 

[ScarletKid2008]

He's 85. Believe it or not, he's running for re-election despite his age. He won easily last time, but maybe he figures that bashing Rutgers football is good for him politically. That indicates something bad -- that having a major football program is not that popular in the state, and so politicians figure they can make hay by criticizing it.

this is the real underlying dynamics. See if politicians talk this way about the college athletics in any of the conservative states. Quite the opposite actually, they are full backers becusse their constituents would run them out of town otherwise. Not saying it’s right or wrong but it is that vs here in Nj Politicos make RU a punchline or worse constant attempts to get their hands into the purse

 

[Retired711]

I think this is better qualified by saying "compared to a handful of other flagship public schools".

I'm Ok with that correction-- but I don't think we're anywhere near the leading public schools like U. Michigan. And certainly we're nowhere near a lot of private schools (which after all, need their endowment income to stay alive.) Notice that the other schools on Pascrell's list are private schools with huge endowments.

 

[Retired711]

this is the real underlying dynamics. See if politicians talk this way about the college athletics in any of the conservative states. Quite the opposite actually, they are full backers becusse their constituents would run them out of town otherwise. Not saying it’s right or wrong but it is that vs here in Nj Politicos make RU a punchline or worse constant attempts to get their hands into the purse

If we had a winning program, that would do a lot to make the program more popular -- at least I would hope so. New Jerseyans don't seem to identify with Rutgers the way say, Pennsylvania residents identify with Penn State. I'm sure success in athletics is part of this -- I don't know if it's all of it. There are people in the state who don't know that Rutgers is the state university.

 

[mdk02]

The only argument here is not about RU sports or how much is spent on it but that NJ has the 4th highest charges for tuition and fees for in -state residents . That should not be .

It would be interesting to look at wages for ALL university employees as well as construction costs for university facilities. That might be related to the comparative cost of tuition and fees.

 

[mdk02]

I'm Ok with that correction-- but I don't think we're anywhere near the leading public schools like U. Michigan. And certainly we're nowhere near a lot of private schools (which after all, need their endowment income to stay alive.) Notice that the other schools on Pascrell's list are private schools with huge endowments.

Michigan, UVA, UNC and some others got serious about endowments shortly after WWII if not before. Their efforts compared to Rutgers until the last 20 years would be to compare Rider's football team to Ohio State's. Texas got a break with oil royalties so they're up there too.

 

[Knight Shift]

And that we have nickels to give in financial aid to New Jersey students. Meanwhile, NJ kids with decent grades can go to out of state public universities for the same price as Rutgers. Nephew goes to Florida for the same price as Rutgers. University of Louisville is at the New Jersey college fairs and offer this program to kids in all 21 New Jersey counties—

https://louisville.edu/admissions/cost-aid/scholarships/uofl-regional-awards

It was less expensive for my younger daughter to go to Florida state than rutgers due to money they gave her; roughly $15K per year less.

My oldest is paying $7K per year to go to Rutgers Honors College. The next closest tuition room and board was close to $50K per year at UCLA. We have been absolutely thrilled with Rutgers and so has our kid. Let's acknowledge that Rutgers offers significant scholarship and aid to top NJ students.

 

[mdk02]

My oldest is paying $7K per year to go to Rutgers Honors College. The next closest tuition room and board was close to $50K per year at UCLA. We have been absolutely thrilled with Rutgers and so has our kid. Let's acknowledge that Rutgers offers significant scholarship and aid to top NJ students.

But how many get an offer like that? Sounds like excellent academic scores. UNC for 75 years has had the Morehead Scholars program. Only 100 per class, but the scholarship on 100%. Half ate offered top the top prep schools. They land kids from Lawrenceville and Andover. In the link, Louisville offers kids with 1260-1350 SATs $13000. That puts them basically equal to in states .

Basically RU doesn't have the endowment to match these schools for OOS kids (although for a 1260 why compete?).

 

[Knight Shift]

But how many get an offer like that? Sounds like excellent academic scores. UNC for 75 years has had the Morehead Scholars program. Only 100 per class, but the scholarship on 100%. Half ate offered top the top prep schools. They land kids from Lawrenceville and Andover. In the link, Louisville offers kids with 1260-1350 SATs $13000. That puts them basically equal to in states .

Basically RU doesn't have the endowment to match these schools for OOS kids (although for a 1260 why compete?).

I don't have the time to dig up RU SAT scores, but I think they are well above those scores and would not offer scholarships in that SAT range, and I am not referring to only the Honors College. I could be wrong, and there may be exceptions. But generally, below 1350 will probably not get much if any scholarship on merit alone.

 

[RC1991]

Doesn’t Bill realize that USC and Miami are private schools and don’t have to answer to him or anyone.

 

[mdk02]

Doesn’t Bill realize that USC and Miami are private schools and don’t have to answer to him or anyone.

That would change if he puts their tax exempt status in jeopardy. I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[RUnTeX]

but I don't think we're anywhere near the leading public schools like U. Michigan.

Exactly my point...Michigan would be included in the "handful" of flagships that Rutgers is not in the same ballpark endowment-wise. Both UT and TAMU with their oil reserves are a couple others. But even if that handful is as many as 40 or 50 public schools, there are hundreds upon hundreds of public schools with smaller endowments.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

My oldest is paying $7K per year to go to Rutgers Honors College. The next closest tuition room and board was close to $50K per year at UCLA. We have been absolutely thrilled with Rutgers and so has our kid. Let's acknowledge that Rutgers offers significant scholarship and aid to top NJ students.

Never said it didn’t scholarships. Not sure record you are setting straight. RU would have been about 27; FSU was 12. Incoming numbers for students were similar.

 

[Knight Shift]

Never said it didn’t scholarships. Not sure record you are setting straight. RU would have been about 27; FSU was 12. Incoming numbers for students were similar.

Was just attempting to level set a perceived false narrative about Rutgers not offering scholarships to in state students. You and Heaven did not say they don't offer scholarships, but just thought I would add to the discussion and that they offer a lot in scholarships to keep top students in state.

 

[RUnTeX]

Louisville offers kids with 1260-1350 SATs $13000. That puts them basically equal to in states .

Yeah but who is UL competing for realistically with that $ offer? The equivalent of a William Paterson or Stockton kid? Academically it doesn't hold RU-Newark's jock, let alone NB. It has to ***** itself out to increase its profile because it can't quite do it with the HS students it gets from within Kentucky.

 

[Kbee3]

3 ) New Jersey ranks 33rd out of 50 states in per capita spending on higher education and 42nd when funding for higher education is measured against personal income. Maybe Kratch and his pal should ask Pascrell to justify those embarrassing facts.


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That's damn embarrassing. New Jersey owes an apology to the kids of this state.

 

[Retired711]

Exactly my point...Michigan would be included in the "handful" of flagships that Rutgers is not in the same ballpark endowment-wise. Both UT and TAMU with their oil reserves are a couple others. But even if that handful is as many as 40 or 50 public schools, there are hundreds upon hundreds of public schools with smaller endowments.

Fine, but it's irrelevant. My point was that, if the concern is about endowments, Rutgers is an inappropriate target as compared to the private schools on the list.

 

[Plum Street]

What’s lost in all this is that at the root of it Pascrell is right

 

[HeavenUniv.]

My oldest is paying $7K per year to go to Rutgers Honors College. The next closest tuition room and board was close to $50K per year at UCLA. We have been absolutely thrilled with Rutgers and so has our kid. Let's acknowledge that Rutgers offers significant scholarship and aid to top NJ students.

Knightshift, I don’t begrudge your family one nickel, but that is 500 students out of 65,000.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Doesn’t Bill realize that USC and Miami are private schools and don’t have to answer to him or anyone.

Dies he also realize some schools pay coaches from donations ? And some pay buyouts .

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Was just attempting to level set a perceived false narrative about Rutgers not offering scholarships to in state students. You and Heaven did not say they don't offer scholarships, but just thought I would add to the discussion and that they offer a lot in scholarships to keep top students in state.

Knightshift, I think you are talking about top top students. My three nephews have/had 4.0 or better , National Honor Society,some Honors and AP courses, played two to three sports a year and Rutgers offered crap. I don’t know their SAT scores. I assume your child’s were better and may have taken more Honors/AP courses if she is in the Honors College. Wish your family nothing but the best.

 

[Lawboy12007]

First thread I've ever started, hope the link works......some more "love" for the program

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...n-demands-answers/ar-AATu8Sw?ocid=hplocalnews

I bet all the MState legislator, the people in the Ohio State Legislature and those in Illinois and Indiana think this guy is on drugs. Must be a Shoe graduate.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Yeah but who is UL competing for realistically with that $ offer? The equivalent of a William Paterson or Stockton kid? Academically it doesn't hold RU-Newark's jock, let alone NB. It has to ***** itself out to increase its profile because it can't quite do it with the HS students it gets from within Kentucky.

I was just using them as an example. Southern schools love New Jersey kids. They know there is a greater chance they will graduate and their SAT scores raise the average for the schools. Many kids go to schools that are below their academic level for all kinds of reasons—weather, family in the area, religious, want to move to a different part of the country, want a rural environment, want a slower pace, want a small school, had family that went there, etc.

 

[RC1991]

Dies he also realize some schools pay coaches from donations ? And some pay buyouts .

Good point - I’m sure he does not or just chose to ignore that fact.

 

[mdk02]

I don't think this is an election-winning strategy. It's a legitimate inquiry from a thoughtful politician. He's not remotely in any danger of losing his seat.

I can support Rutgers Football and also be glad a New Jersey politician is asking these sorts of questions at the national level. Good for Bill.

He's not a state legislator trying to eliminate the football program specifically at Rutgers; he's a Congressman asking, "if colleges are paying football coaches 4 to 10 million a year, then should the federal government reevaluate the way it funds higher education?"

I hope it fosters thoughtful dialogue and maybe even reform.

As far as I know the federal government provides zero funding for college athletics. So does their funding of scientific and medical research (or Pell grants which don't go to scholarship athletes) give them the right to dictate where donations and endowment income are spent? I have no problem with his opinion that there are better uses for the spending. I do have a problem with the government control.