The NIL $s were a right won by the players in court, it is not going away because coaches and universities complain.
NIL message from GS.
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I’m personally more than happy to allocate funds from the athletic department to NIL. Seems like a better use of money if we want to win.
Check your math. If 50k people signed up for $10/month, that’s $6M. Pretty sure that’s enough to buy a few players.
Never said NIL would go away.
Let me be more clear. I am saying that the illegal recruiting with NIL money will be enforced. The illegal tampering with players to get them to transfer for NIL money will be enforced. Succinctly, no more insane Wild West crap. Fingers crossed that this crap gets fixed.
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The vast majority of those alumni didn't care that much about football when they attended Rutgers, what makes you think they are going to take $1 away from their families now and give it to Rutgers football? You only get the kind of money you need to compete with OSU, Michigan, and PSU if some very wealthy alumni also happen to be football fans want to spend millions of dollars each year to the players via NIL opportunities or possibly they can fund an NIL endowment with about $100 mil and on a 10% yearly ROI that would give us about $10 mil a year to pay players. But, hold on a second, didn't the OSU coach already tell us his roster is worth $13 mil this year and that # will only go up, so maybe we realistically need a $200 mil initial investment.
That’s great math! So we need that times 4-5 to get in the Ryan Day suggested range.
5% to give $500 a year = 12.5 million. I’m down!
We can’t get 1 out of 20 living alumni to give $10/month?
Average KOR subis $25/pp
Haven’t started reaching out to big companies yet, starting asap
Day needs 13 mil due to attracting / poaching
We need about half that as we’re in retention phase
I’ll leave it at this as I’m heading down to Tally for a booster event this weekend
Rutgers either steps up $$ wise, or continues to get mud holed by the big boys
There’s no middle ground, it’s very black and white.
I’ll be in NJ for the next few years til retirement and I’d love for Rutgers to be elite - if not, it won’t be for a lack of effort on mine and a handful if others part
Step up $$ wise or see the drubbings continue (or possibly get worse)
The choice is yours
Rutgers either steps up $$ wise, or continues to get mud holed by the big boys
There’s no middle ground, it’s very black and white.
I’ll be in NJ for the next few years til retirement and I’d love for Rutgers to be elite - if not, it won’t be for a lack of effort on mine and a handful if others part
Step up $$ wise or see the drubbings continue (or possibly get worse)
The choice is yours
Give it 25 years; you'll figure it out. In the meantime, the rest of us will continue to think about the problem realistically (making informed evaluations based on past history).
You do realize that the athletic department already operates on an annual deficit. The NIL collective needs to be innovative in finding new funding sources, rather than drawing resources from the university. The whole purpose of the damn thing is to raise funds, not become another line on the budget under expenditures.
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Well, it could go away overnight if the conferences themselves (not the NCAA) banned it.
A few. But then again most everyone can always find more money to beat us in a bidding war for the really good recruits--even comparable programs like Maryland, which have had much more generous donors than we've had. We'll only be able to beat schools we would've probably beaten without money anyway (Syracuse, Delaware, Indiana, etc.) We'll be paying to run in place. Unless someone somewhere can find some very generous donors willing to put up many millions not previously seen before this likely cements us where we are.
Retention of what, a team that hasn't won a home B1G game in 3 years? We need to purchase players going forward that can compete with the top tier of the conference, otherwise, what is the point, to battle Maryland and Indiana every year to see which team comes in fifth, and maybe fourth if MSU is having a bad year?
Need NJ corporations to want to use our collective and give us money. Here are the top companies in NJ according to my research and their market value:
1) Johnson and Johnson - $458B - Headquarters:New Brunswick NJ- CEO Joaquin Duato - From Spain - Schooled in Spain - No US College affiliation - Sell him on Rutgers and get some money from the closest major corp to the campus.
2) Merck & Co - $203N - Rahway NJ - Chairman Ken Frazier - UPenn and Harvard & CEO Robert Davis - Undergrad - Miami - MBA and Law Degree - Northwestern
3) Honeywell - $148.5B - Charlotte NC - Darius Adamczyk - Undergrad from MSU Masters from FruitU - Nothing here
4) ADP - $100.5B - Roseland NJ - Carlos Rodriguez - Harvard
5) Zoetis - $100B - Parsippany NJ - Kristin Peck - Georgetown and Masters from Columbia
6) Mondelez International - $94B - Chicago IL - Dirk Van de Put - Ghent University Belgium
7) Becton Dickinson and Company - $72B - Franklin Lakes NJ -Tom Polen - Johns-Hopkins
8) Cognizant Technology Solutions - $46B - Teaneck NJ - Brian Humphries - University of Ulster - Ireland
9) Prudential Financial - $43B - Newark NJ - Charles Lowrey - Princeton & Harvard
10) PSE&G - $34B - Newark NJ - Ralph Izzo - Columbia
So get theses huge NJ based companies and appeal to their CEOs (especially the ones from Ivy League or international colleges) stoke their egos and see what happens. I would also assume since a number of these companies are based in NJ they pull grads from us.
And this is just NJ based corporations. You start to hit NYC and you will also have a large chunk of potential leads. I think KOR might want to pay a paid fund raiser to see if they can make inroads into these companies and others and see what can happen. By my calculations we need about 15M a year for all sports (12M football, 1M basketball, 2M for rest of the sports). So we need an endowment of around $215M. Prudential Financial paid $105.3M for 20 years to have naming rights to the Prudential Center in Newark. Jersey Mikes paid $28M for 20 years for the RAC (Which is going to be a steal for them if basketball keeps doing what it is doing). SHI International paid $10M for 10 years for the football stadium.
Maybe I am dreaming but somehow I think we have to find some other high profile donors that we can get in with. And a large fund for the KOR and only using the interest earned on it could help fund substantial NIL deals. Heck let Prudential Manage the fund. The Prudential KOR NIL Fund. And the collective can advertise in both SHI and Jersey Mikes arena with that name.
1) Johnson and Johnson - $458B - Headquarters:New Brunswick NJ- CEO Joaquin Duato - From Spain - Schooled in Spain - No US College affiliation - Sell him on Rutgers and get some money from the closest major corp to the campus.
2) Merck & Co - $203N - Rahway NJ - Chairman Ken Frazier - UPenn and Harvard & CEO Robert Davis - Undergrad - Miami - MBA and Law Degree - Northwestern
3) Honeywell - $148.5B - Charlotte NC - Darius Adamczyk - Undergrad from MSU Masters from FruitU - Nothing here
4) ADP - $100.5B - Roseland NJ - Carlos Rodriguez - Harvard
5) Zoetis - $100B - Parsippany NJ - Kristin Peck - Georgetown and Masters from Columbia
6) Mondelez International - $94B - Chicago IL - Dirk Van de Put - Ghent University Belgium
7) Becton Dickinson and Company - $72B - Franklin Lakes NJ -Tom Polen - Johns-Hopkins
8) Cognizant Technology Solutions - $46B - Teaneck NJ - Brian Humphries - University of Ulster - Ireland
9) Prudential Financial - $43B - Newark NJ - Charles Lowrey - Princeton & Harvard
10) PSE&G - $34B - Newark NJ - Ralph Izzo - Columbia
So get theses huge NJ based companies and appeal to their CEOs (especially the ones from Ivy League or international colleges) stoke their egos and see what happens. I would also assume since a number of these companies are based in NJ they pull grads from us.
And this is just NJ based corporations. You start to hit NYC and you will also have a large chunk of potential leads. I think KOR might want to pay a paid fund raiser to see if they can make inroads into these companies and others and see what can happen. By my calculations we need about 15M a year for all sports (12M football, 1M basketball, 2M for rest of the sports). So we need an endowment of around $215M. Prudential Financial paid $105.3M for 20 years to have naming rights to the Prudential Center in Newark. Jersey Mikes paid $28M for 20 years for the RAC (Which is going to be a steal for them if basketball keeps doing what it is doing). SHI International paid $10M for 10 years for the football stadium.
Maybe I am dreaming but somehow I think we have to find some other high profile donors that we can get in with. And a large fund for the KOR and only using the interest earned on it could help fund substantial NIL deals. Heck let Prudential Manage the fund. The Prudential KOR NIL Fund. And the collective can advertise in both SHI and Jersey Mikes arena with that name.
We don’t need the money to fund a roster if 4/5 players like OSU. We need enough to get a handful of key 4 stars and then coach up 3 stars. We should be able to do that.
But some of those key 4 star players we've gotten in the past were also courted by teams like OSU or FSU. Now we're going to have to find cash to get them but when the Big Boys really want them they'll get them.
just winning might not be enough for some, the W-L record , or even joining to build a program into a great one is replaced by $$$ signs and the bottom line is CASH
Who cares? Everyone does. Let the B1G money take care of that and pump the breaks on facilities a bit.
I think a lot of D-1 coaches are worried.... this does not get better for most of D1 college football. NIL may be positive in theory, but the implementation and lack of oversight and procedures is going to be catastrophic.
So... GS is smart, and knows it can kill RU program. What is next, if we cannot "BUY" our players and then not field a competitive team, what is next? removal from the B1G ? domino effect....
I guess the move now is to stop investing in sports infrastructure and just write checks directly to the players.
Oh and coach if our players leave for more money I guess they never really were our players after all - and not worthy of our support.
...one step closer to the end.
Have any of those companies shown support for RU in the past? Not sure what has changed that will encourage them to change their behavior. Having said that, you don’t know if you don’t try.
Well he can get in line with the other 100 college football coaches who will be supporting actors for a select 10 featured teams.
This from a guy who left a RU contract for the NFL and bigger money. Let me know what Greg is chipping in on the NIL program. I'm tapped out.
That's about the biggest hypothetical ever hypothesized. RU fans don't donate. I know where I am on the donation rank and it's embarrassing how high it is based on our donations.
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Where is the billionaire RU donor who's going to pay for lavish locker rooms and facilities?
LOL. A football team in the B1G raped children for 30 years and wasn't even punished. UNC faked classes for athletes for 50 years. Nothing happened. And that's just two egregious examples. No one will do a thing to limit NIL money. They'll all be trying to figure out an angle to get a piece of the new $$$ pie.
Even if hypothetically, 5% of alumni contributed and we started getting 6 million a year more than current giving totals, at that point any of the big boys could push the same campaign in an effort to squeeze more out. It is a losing battle in the long run IMO. Letting donors basically buy players = ruining much of the appeal of college sports for many fans.
What you predict is possible.
But so is what I hope will happen. If NIL gets some rules/enforcement, it won’t be the NCAA that does it, IMO.
Perhaps the way to sell this to corporations goes like follows:
The big companies near powerful programs are more than happy to associate themselves through donations.
NOW is a time where companies in New Jersey can join that club and reap the benefits now and in the future. Investments now can make the flagship state U of New Jersey a top program whose games are events there is strong deamnd for.. and you can make that happen and get in on the ground floor.
Schools used to need that long history and name to compete for athletes.. now it is mostly money. Lets do it together.. build something great.
There's a reason why some schools get big corporate sponsorships.. sometimes it is alums owning/running things.. but it can also be a feeling of community or state pride but mostly it is wanting to be associate with supporting that school/program. New Jersey comanpies can make Rutgers a winner now more than ever before and they and their employees and business partners can all benefit.
The big companies near powerful programs are more than happy to associate themselves through donations.
NOW is a time where companies in New Jersey can join that club and reap the benefits now and in the future. Investments now can make the flagship state U of New Jersey a top program whose games are events there is strong deamnd for.. and you can make that happen and get in on the ground floor.
Schools used to need that long history and name to compete for athletes.. now it is mostly money. Lets do it together.. build something great.
There's a reason why some schools get big corporate sponsorships.. sometimes it is alums owning/running things.. but it can also be a feeling of community or state pride but mostly it is wanting to be associate with supporting that school/program. New Jersey comanpies can make Rutgers a winner now more than ever before and they and their employees and business partners can all benefit.
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Unless the court is willing to revisit the issue NIL is here to say and the NCAA can't limit a player's right to cash in on their NIL rights. The NCAA and the schools do have the power to fix the Transfer Portal if they have the will, but since it does benefit the elite programs as currently configured, I doubt much gets changed, maybe impose a couple of windows, but that is about it.
Yes.
Historical “blue blood” and college football elite Jackson State.
Just another case of the rich get richer, right?
I agree so much of NCAA FB should be regulated but most regulation is anti-freedom. Once the big $$$ showed up it was just a matter of time.
The MLB and NFL survived free agency - not sure CFB will, at least not as well.
It's not the school anymore. Biggest NIL wins. It just so happens we are neither.
Unless you are saying the biggest NIL offered isn't an example of Rich.
Are those players going to stay for four years with that NIL money if we pay them and they excel or do they take the money and run to a better program as soon as the offer appears? Because I expect it's the latter. And I'm not interested in paying a mercenary to improve his game here and then move on.
I think I could learn to live with old transfer rules and NIL or new transfer rules and no NIL. Just not both.