Why? It's going to destroy our school's ability to compete in intercollegiate athletics.
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At the highest levels, anyway. Basically we'll be permanently cemented in the tier we are in now, competing with the same schools with limited donations. Upward mobility, always limited in college sports anyway, will disappear completely except in the rarest of circumstances.
We’ve gone back and forth on this multiple times
I’ve provided multiple ideas, you keep rehashing old things that haven’t worked
It remains to be seen if it’ll all pan out. What I know is that under the previous rules, we had no shot of ever catching up
At least with these new rules, it gives us a fighting chance
The pre-Mulcahy administrations did a much better job of that than NIL could ever do.
How in the world does it give us a fighting chance when it requires something we've always trailed at, donor money? Donor money won't come without wins, wins won't come without good players, good players won't come if they're all bought away before the team is even mediocre let alone good.
Did you ask Schiano for his thoughts on your idea about dumping all our NIL money into a single basketball player in the hopes that it would generate success for his football team?
I think where we stand with our endowment shows if we demonstrate its importance it can be done. 10 years ago we were in the back of the pack. Not just comparing us to the Big Ten. But the entire universe. Long way to go but on the right path. NIL is here to stay. You can join KTR for $10 per month. If we have a few thousand join that is a huge start. Greg is imploring us to get engaged.
GS further confirmed we won’t even be able to keep our best players.
They will be bought off early In their careers as outstanding players shine and stick out the day they step on the field.
For the, it’s always been this way crowd, you’re delusional
They will be bought off early In their careers as outstanding players shine and stick out the day they step on the field.
For the, it’s always been this way crowd, you’re delusional
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I think it could help us . Like the pirates told Ralph kiner , we finished last with you, we can finish last without you .
We stunk before NIL and we can stink with it . It’s our choice
What kind of out out reach have we ever previously had to get money from donors?
Have we ever hired a professional organization to actually reach out to current students, recent alumni, all living alumni and all corporations within a 200 250 mile radius?
being that New Jersey is around 13th in high school talent in the country, and assuming we somehow kept most of the best high school talent here, and then got leftovers / budding stars / high potential guys from eastern Pennsylvania, Florida, Long Island etc., do you really think we would ever have a chance of overtaking the big boys in college football doing at the old way?
Our ceiling was limited to possibly consistent top 25 and mid major bowls.
Now under the new plan, we actually have a shot to achieve greater things. Going to consistent quick lane / pinstripe type bowls aren’t my idea of fun
Going to NYD, upper level bowls or playoffs is what excites me. No shot we were thetr getting there under the old “rules,”
And I use the term rules very loosely because they were being broken night and Day by all the big boys while we sat around and watched, did nothing and played by the official ncaa “rules”
I’ve been around multiple big-time college programs for the past 20 years.
This has always existed in some form or fashion, and in many of these programs it was extremely blatant
That's a heck of a prediction and way to look at things.
Let's take it one step further. We are doomed, and we are all going to die.
Yeah man we ate dinner last night after the meeting and he’s all for dissolving the football program pouring everything in the basketball
He’s actually interested in moving down to play Monmouth schedule on a regular basis, and shrink in the stadium by 90%
As I’ve said that’s not my what I want, I’m simply saying if the $ not going to be there for football, which certainly remains the be seen, then that’s the next best thing.
To revisit, you’ve provided absolutely zero ideas and simply gone back on the old “it’s never worked before” mantra doom and gloom scenario
We can do two things, we can ***** and moan about it we can adjust with the times. I prefer the latter as I believe at least have a chance, and welcome any ideas to help us potentially get to that level.
I’ll say it again, NIL is not going away and it’sonly going to get bigger. The hope is that it will eventually get regulated as that is certainly needed
NIL was going on long before the portal and long before NIL became legal
The Bagman and his accociates have long been a presence in major college football
Do you think people who donated to the edowment wants it going to athletes intead of used as it was intended.. a capital fund for physical plant improvements for the university as a whole?
I have seen arguments about tapping the universities' endowments for student loan forgiveness.. mandated by the government... don't want to see that happen either. The endowments have a specific purpose and it is a good one, even if the universities as a whole are too woke and are damaging their own usefulness.
You can beat that drum reserved for a select few all you want.
My dad helped Graber recruit, I know the difference
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I’ll keep beating the drum because it’s absolutely true, and denying it is comical at best / foolhardy at worst
With all due respect, the level Graber was Recruiting at compared to the big schools around the country that were paying players under the table it’s night and day
I’ll keep beating the drum because it’s absolutely true, and denying it is comical at best / foolhardy at worst
Unfortunately,
What’s HAPPENING is the “majority of highly ranked recruits that get offered top dollar” will make a decision based on the highest bidder never mind if it’s an actual fit.
I’m sure they’ll be some exceptions like the OL that committed to WVU over offers that WERE financially superior but weren’t necessarily a better fit.
Like many said kudos to the young man, unfortunately some kids don’t have that luxury & need to get paid now as there’s no guarantee they’ll make it to the NFL.
This is today’s recruiting NIL climate, the wild wild west..
Yes, I’m sure nothing has changed
it’s simply now being done out in the open…
What’s HAPPENING is the “majority of highly ranked recruits that get offered top dollar” will make a decision based on the highest bidder never mind if it’s an actual fit.
I’m sure they’ll be some exceptions like the OL that committed to WVU over offers that WERE financially superior but weren’t necessarily a better fit.
Like many said kudos to the young man, unfortunately some kids don’t have that luxury & need to get paid now as there’s no guarantee they’ll make it to the NFL.
This is today’s recruiting NIL climate, the wild wild west..
Yes, I’m sure nothing has changed
it’s simply now being done out in the open… The last part is a prediction that will eventually be right
Under the old system, we could raise our profile by winning or maybe money. Now it will take money AND winning to go higher. And whereas before we would ask for money for the football program or the athletic department, now we basically have to say "please give us money to pay players," which will turn off a lot of people. NIL will bring money from the most highly motivated, win-at-all-cost donors, of which we don't have many and of which programs like Alabama, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio State et all already have too many.
His assertion is absurd in a Rutgers context. I was around at the tail end of Graber's time at Rutgers. If someone on the team was getting paid under the table, nobody knew about it. There was no way Battaglia was getting money (and he was far and away our best player).
Wel be getting in excess of 75 million/year to cover new buildings / other expenses
Absolutely you will have a certain amount of people that don’t buy into an NIL and paying players, no matter what and that’s just the fact
The other part and is that NIL is that it’s clearly misunderstood, a lot of people assume we’re just paying players for nothing provided, which is the exact opposite as we will be paying players for goods and services
admittedly, I am all for paying players and always have been, and it’s not that I want to win at all costs as stuff like Penn State and Baylor is unacceptable and disgusting, but winning is addictive and I would love for us to be a consistent program going to New Year’s Day bowl‘s and all the playoffs
If that takes paying players then I am all for it
You conveniently omit a 2006 team loaded with NFL level talent and some of the best position groups in the country.
That team would have been severely disassembled in today’s environment…. Deny it all you want
That’s the million dollar question. The NCAA in its current form will not exist in a few years, and if we wait for Congress to do something who the hell knows what’s going to happen
That’s where things get extremely murky, But need to be figured out ASAP by the ““ powers a B” or a new set of governing bodies
I’m not conveniently omitting anything, but a team full of two and three stars is not going to consistently win big As you don’t win with the Ex’s & Oh’s, yoi win with the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s.
what you just said is magnifying my point, as we need money to compete.
For the record, no one thought 2006 was going to happen before the season, so arbitrarily saying 15 years later that that team would’ve been decimated before the season bc of $$ because is purely speculative
After 2006 season you would have a point, but after 2005 nobody thought we would be ranked as high as we were
I am just going by attendance and how full the stadium is.
*part of those limitations were because of what the Big East and AAC could get for games.
+ And yes there was. It’s why being in the B1G is so important. Those bowl limitations and the rules about spreading them around meant we do have a shot as a NYD game.
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