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I have given up the ghost on a late season miracle run. I thought we would get at least one upset in this difficult stretch and at times it looked like it may happen vs. Iowa and Michigan, but seems like we caught a case of the "can't close"-ies and couldn't shake it all year. I will maintain to the end that outcomes for this team were extreme left-tail relative to talent and effort. It came down to missing too many open 3s and not being able to defend well enough to overcome the awful shooting.

Below is my personal opinion of the potential of our returning roster for the 26-27 season (not looking further ahead), on a scale of one to five Boos, with one Boo being "if you miss a switch or turn it over we don't see you for three weeks" (known colloquially as a "Mullins"), and five Boos being First Team All-B1G. Non-scholarship players and incoming freshmen are excluded from this exercise, though if Hodge's knee heals up I think he gets minutes immediately. No speculation on transfers with the exception of Windham. I am and forever will be a Wildcat optimist.

Windham: NR - the mystery that will never be solved for '25-'26, but I hope the shooter/scorer with moxie and a high ceiling returns, regardless of the name on the front of the jersey.

Page: 5 Boos - agree with Jordan Taylor who said on the Michigan broadcast that Page is an NBA player if he can figure out the consistency/defense/mental aspects fully. I hope our staff are the ones to unlock him. His offseason determines if we have a second weekend tourney run in us or if we muddle through another series of disappointing losses.

Singleton: 5 Boos - in different games he has shown everything from running the lane to back-to-the-basket post moves to elite rebounding to shot blocking and a little bit of nastiness, which we desperately need. His FT shooting has gotten better as the year went on. The distance shooting is not there, and he committed way too many pointless fouls. Clear stuff to work on, but he's the Franchise and keeping him in purple for his remaining collegiate career is the top priority.

Gelo: 4 Boos - improved across-the-board this season but like Singleton couldn't make a three and fouled too often. Really good rim-runner and offensive rebounder. He looks like a less smooth but more explosive Barnheizer facsimile if the defense makes a leap. If the threes start falling, look out.

Reid: 3 Boos - the same clogged lane that is dragging Nick down has lowered Reid's ceiling, too, because he is a solid penetrator but weak finisher in traffic. If we had the 40% shooters in the corners, Reid's game is transformed. Thought he got better on defense as the year went on.

West: 3 Boos - the dunk against Iowa almost made me elevate this to 4 Boos. His three point stroke and decision-making have gotten stronger even as our competition got better. I don't think he will ever be an elite defender, but he won't need to be with all he brings to the table at the point.

Green: 3 Boos - I believe he will be a bigger, more athletic Langborg by his senior season. Must quicken his release and get stronger to draw contact in the lane and get to the foul line rather than pump fake endlessly and look to pass out. Kept firing even when they stopped falling which is a good thing. Need him to get to 40% from downtown and it looks to me like he has it in him. Showed some rebounding/toughness in the B1G season that was absent early on.

Kropp: 3 Boos - I might be selling this guy short because his game is pretty lunchpail, but it has been impressive to see him go from unplayable to starter in a single season as an 18 year old. Needs to work on the quick twitch muscles in the offseason to get offensive boards/dishes in the lane and explode to the rim for a dunk/foul rather than get his weaker lay-ins blocked or altered. Must soften his hands to catch passes cleanly. Early candidate for the Matt Nicholson "boy I didn't realize how much we'd miss him" Award by the end of his four years.

Clayton: 2 Boos - if he does nothing but shoot threes in the offseason so he can make the open looks at a higher clip, he becomes a very valuable chip. He does the right things on defense, but I hope another offseason gets him stronger to not get pushed out of the lane when he is boxing out. Draws too many loose ball fouls on rebounds he should get cleanly. Not a penetrator or creator and after three years I am not sure it is reasonable to expect that to suddenly appear, so making the open 3s is what we badly need him to do.

Bennerman: Unknown - love the wingspan. Hope he has spent all season working on leg strength and rebounding position.
 

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I have given up the ghost on a late season miracle run. I thought we would get at least one upset in this difficult stretch and at times it looked like it may happen vs. Iowa and Michigan, but seems like we caught a case of the "can't close"-ies and couldn't shake it all year. I will maintain to the end that outcomes for this team were extreme left-tail relative to talent and effort. It came down to missing too many open 3s and not being able to defend well enough to overcome the awful shooting.

Below is my personal opinion of the potential of our returning roster for the 26-27 season (not looking further ahead), on a scale of one to five Boos, with one Boo being "if you miss a switch or turn it over we don't see you for three weeks" (known colloquially as a "Mullins"), and five Boos being First Team All-B1G. Non-scholarship players and incoming freshmen are excluded from this exercise, though if Hodge's knee heals up I think he gets minutes immediately. No speculation on transfers with the exception of Windham. I am and forever will be a Wildcat optimist.

Windham: NR - the mystery that will never be solved for '25-'26, but I hope the shooter/scorer with moxie and a high ceiling returns, regardless of the name on the front of the jersey.

Page: 5 Boos - agree with Jordan Taylor who said on the Michigan broadcast that Page is an NBA player if he can figure out the consistency/defense/mental aspects fully. I hope our staff are the ones to unlock him. His offseason determines if we have a second weekend tourney run in us or if we muddle through another series of disappointing losses.

Singleton: 5 Boos - in different games he has shown everything from running the lane to back-to-the-basket post moves to elite rebounding to shot blocking and a little bit of nastiness, which we desperately need. His FT shooting has gotten better as the year went on. The distance shooting is not there, and he committed way too many pointless fouls. Clear stuff to work on, but he's the Franchise and keeping him in purple for his remaining collegiate career is the top priority.

Gelo: 4 Boos - improved across-the-board this season but like Singleton couldn't make a three and fouled too often. Really good rim-runner and offensive rebounder. He looks like a less smooth but more explosive Barnheizer facsimile if the defense makes a leap. If the threes start falling, look out.

Reid: 3 Boos - the same clogged lane that is dragging Nick down has lowered Reid's ceiling, too, because he is a solid penetrator but weak finisher in traffic. If we had the 40% shooters in the corners, Reid's game is transformed. Thought he got better on defense as the year went on.

West: 3 Boos - the dunk against Iowa almost made me elevate this to 4 Boos. His three point stroke and decision-making have gotten stronger even as our competition got better. I don't think he will ever be an elite defender, but he won't need to be with all he brings to the table at the point.

Green: 3 Boos - I believe he will be a bigger, more athletic Langborg by his senior season. Must quicken his release and get stronger to draw contact in the lane and get to the foul line rather than pump fake endlessly and look to pass out. Kept firing even when they stopped falling which is a good thing. Need him to get to 40% from downtown and it looks to me like he has it in him. Showed some rebounding/toughness in the B1G season that was absent early on.

Kropp: 3 Boos - I might be selling this guy short because his game is pretty lunchpail, but it has been impressive to see him go from unplayable to starter in a single season as an 18 year old. Needs to work on the quick twitch muscles in the offseason to get offensive boards/dishes in the lane and explode to the rim for a dunk/foul rather than get his weaker lay-ins blocked or altered. Must soften his hands to catch passes cleanly. Early candidate for the Matt Nicholson "boy I didn't realize how much we'd miss him" Award by the end of his four years.

Clayton: 2 Boos - if he does nothing but shoot threes in the offseason so he can make the open looks at a higher clip, he becomes a very valuable chip. He does the right things on defense, but I hope another offseason gets him stronger to not get pushed out of the lane when he is boxing out. Draws too many loose ball fouls on rebounds he should get cleanly. Not a penetrator or creator and after three years I am not sure it is reasonable to expect that to suddenly appear, so making the open 3s is what we badly need him to do.

Bennerman: Unknown - love the wingspan. Hope he has spent all season working on leg strength and rebounding position.
Well done, Southport! You’re a little more optimistic on Page and less optimistic on West than I am, but pretty darn close.

Where’s Gill?!?
 

AdamOnFirst

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I am frankly not at all seeing the improvement from Ciarvino. You compared him to Brooks, Brooks started to seriously emerge in the latter half of his sophomore year. Gelo has had zero apparent progress over the year, I’m not seeing his advancement at all.
 
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I am frankly not at all seeing the improvement from Ciarvino. You compared him to Brooks, Brooks started to seriously emerge in the latter half of his sophomore year. Gelo has had zero apparent progress over the year, I’m not seeing his advancement at all.
Better at cutting and defense this year compared to last year. Looks better against Nebraska than earlier this year as well.
 

AdamOnFirst

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Better at cutting and defense this year compared to last year. Looks better against Nebraska than earlier this year as well.
He’s always been decent at cutting, but his handling is terrible and he can’t shoot. I’m not saying he can’t stop improve, but it’s not happening right now. I do not see any star potentials
 

TheC

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Page will be our best returning player if he returns . The rest have to improve a ton.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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This team is a disaster. Wonder what they do in practice?? The shooting is gringe worthy.
Every B1G team has 2-3 players that can hit open 3’s. We have zero. That’s the main difference between winning and losing. We obviously need a 3 point shooter and a rebound first guy in the portal.
 

TheC

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Every B1G team has 2-3 players that can hit open 3’s. We have zero. That’s the main difference between winning and losing. We obviously need a 3 point shooter and a rebound first guy in the portal.
Except so does everybody. May be tough to get.
 

Baz = Heisman

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There better be major turnover next year or I and a few others I know are going to give up our season tickets. This is the worst watch since 2007-08 and at least that team showed consistent effort. Can’t say the same for this squad. Very disheartening.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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There better be major turnover next year or I and a few others I know are going to give up our season tickets. This is the worst watch since 2007-08 and at least that team showed consistent effort. Can’t say the same for this squad. Very disheartening.
As long as one of the people isn’t your rich donor buddy. We need funds to buy players that aren’t bums, lazy, or weed smokers!
 
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SDakaGordie

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There better be major turnover next year or I and a few others I know are going to give up our season tickets. This is the worst watch since 2007-08 and at least that team showed consistent effort. Can’t say the same for this squad. Very disheartening.
It takes some mental fortitude and historical context to be an NU fan. Not sure you are up for that, so I can see why you would abandon them.
 

SouthportCat

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Well done, Southport! You’re a little more optimistic on Page and less optimistic on West than I am, but pretty darn close.

Where’s Gill?!?
You’re right, I forgot Gill. Incomplete really as I haven’t seen enough in competitive minutes to understand his game.
 

SouthportCat

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I am frankly not at all seeing the improvement from Ciarvino. You compared him to Brooks, Brooks started to seriously emerge in the latter half of his sophomore year. Gelo has had zero apparent progress over the year, I’m not seeing his advancement at all.
We are seeing different things, then. He is way more aggressive, looking to finish through contact. He is in the right place for deflections, he traps well, he has more of a nose for the offensive glass then anyone on the team. His outside shooting has not come along, and obviously in today’s game that is kind of a big weakness. On a team with better shooting around him he would be a real force multiplier.
 

Deeringfish

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There better be major turnover next year or I and a few others I know are going to give up our season tickets. This is the worst watch since 2007-08 and at least that team showed consistent effort. Can’t say the same for this squad. Very disheartening.
A true Big and a three point shooter in the portal along with growth of all the young guys makes an exciting team IMO
 

AdamOnFirst

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We are seeing different things, then. He is way more aggressive, looking to finish through contact. He is in the right place for deflections, he traps well, he has more of a nose for the offensive glass then anyone on the team. His outside shooting has not come along, and obviously in today’s game that is kind of a big weakness. On a team with better shooting around him he would be a real force multiplier.
You literally just described him as maybe developing into a complimentary piece if surrounded by a bunch of actually good players so… okay?
 
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Secho99

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Every B1G team has 2-3 players that can hit open 3’s. We have zero. That’s the main difference between winning and losing.
Part of making 3s as a team is getting the right guys open. Our opponents are absolutely thrilled to leave Singleton/Ciaravino/Page open on the perimeter and double Martinelli because they know those guys will shoot them and roughly 80% of the time miss them. If those guys shooting 3s eats up 8-10 possessions a game (Clayton has improved lately but he’s probably also in that group), that’s a big difference in some of these closer games we’ve had.

I believe guys like Green, Reid and West can be good 3-pt shooters for us if the flow of the offense can get them better looks. Each of these guys are around 33-34%. With a little better quality in looks I could see them each in the high 30s which would be totally fine. Green in particular I think has some 40+% upside with some work on speeding up his release.

Looking back at when we had Juice and Shurna and Moore knocking down so many 3s, teams didn’t want those guys to be open but the offense provided them a lot of good looks. The team had a lot of other deficiencies in those days but often got the right looks for the right guys.
 

SDakaGordie

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Part of making 3s as a team is getting the right guys open. Our opponents are absolutely thrilled to leave Singleton/Ciaravino/Page open on the perimeter and double Martinelli because they know those guys will shoot them and roughly 80% of the time miss them. If those guys shooting 3s eats up 8-10 possessions a game (Clayton has improved lately but he’s probably also in that group), that’s a big difference in some of these closer games we’ve had.

I believe guys like Green, Reid and West can be good 3-pt shooters for us if the flow of the offense can get them better looks. Each of these guys are around 33-34%. With a little better quality in looks I could see them each in the high 30s which would be totally fine. Green in particular I think has some 40+% upside with some work on speeding up his release.

Looking back at when we had Juice and Shurna and Moore knocking down so many 3s, teams didn’t want those guys to be open but the offense provided them a lot of good looks. The team had a lot of other deficiencies in those days but often got the right looks for the right guys.
So you are blaming the offensive scheme rather than the players’ inability to make the shots?
 

MCC_Cat

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We are seeing different things, then. He is way more aggressive, looking to finish through contact. He is in the right place for deflections, he traps well, he has more of a nose for the offensive glass then anyone on the team. His outside shooting has not come along, and obviously in today’s game that is kind of a big weakness. On a team with better shooting around him he would be a real force multiplier.
He needs to get in the gym and shoot thousands of 3s in the offseason.
 
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AdamOnFirst

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Part of making 3s as a team is getting the right guys open. Our opponents are absolutely thrilled to leave Singleton/Ciaravino/Page open on the perimeter and double Martinelli because they know those guys will shoot them and roughly 80% of the time miss them. If those guys shooting 3s eats up 8-10 possessions a game (Clayton has improved lately but he’s probably also in that group), that’s a big difference in some of these closer games we’ve had.

I believe guys like Green, Reid and West can be good 3-pt shooters for us if the flow of the offense can get them better looks. Each of these guys are around 33-34%. With a little better quality in looks I could see them each in the high 30s which would be totally fine. Green in particular I think has some 40+% upside with some work on speeding up his release.

Looking back at when we had Juice and Shurna and Moore knocking down so many 3s, teams didn’t want those guys to be open but the offense provided them a lot of good looks. The team had a lot of other deficiencies in those days but often got the right looks for the right guys.
Our guys get wide open outside looks all damn day… because nobody bothers to guard them much because they can’t hit anyway.
 

Baz = Heisman

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It takes some mental fortitude and historical context to be an NU fan. Not sure you are up for that, so I can see why you would abandon them.
LOL. No **** Sherlock. Did I say I’d stop watching? I just don’t see the point in dropping $500 to see 3-4 B1G wins. And, also, I’ve been a fan since 1995, so I’ve seen plenty of bad. Not some Johnny come lately.
 

SDakaGordie

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LOL. No **** Sherlock. Did I say I’d stop watching? I just don’t see the point in dropping $500 to see 3-4 B1G wins. And, also, I’ve been a fan since 1995, so I’ve seen plenty of bad. Not some Johnny come lately.
How about showing these traits then?
 

Purple Pile Driver

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I mean, anyone who pays for a message board is pretty dumb, so I think you’ve got that on lock lol.
Hey Captain Happy. This is your threads you started this year:

1) When did this board get so soft? Wawawa

2) Collins playing Martinelli stupid minutes in blowouts has finally caught up.

3) 7 more games of low energy Page and Reid.

4) Collins seat should be HOT next year.

5) Only 9 more games of Page and Reid

6) Worst NU MBB team to watch since?

7) Effort

8) Page and Reid disapproval thread.

9) I Hate this team

Forget the repetitive ignorant takes in every game thread. You literally blow up the whole free board. I will gladly pay $10 a month to get a few threads that actually discuss what we can and should do to improve instead of your personal useless attacks on players and coaches. There is a reason most of this board thinks you are a douchebag and it’s not because you think the team stinks. I would have Capped you a month ago. Nobody gives a **** if you give up your tickets in section 216! Do it.
 

Catdude

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I’m hoping Gelo can improve his handle and shot to be more of a threat in the halfcourt offense. He is an elite athlete and could have a strong midrange game with a one or two-dribble pull-up jumper. Right now that is not part of his game and it feels like 90+% of his points are from dunks and layups.
 

Catmandoo78

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Hey Captain Happy. This is your threads you started this year:

1) When did this board get so soft? Wawawa

2) Collins playing Martinelli stupid minutes in blowouts has finally caught up.

3) 7 more games of low energy Page and Reid.

4) Collins seat should be HOT next year.

5) Only 9 more games of Page and Reid

6) Worst NU MBB team to watch since?

7) Effort

8) Page and Reid disapproval thread.

9) I Hate this team

Forget the repetitive ignorant takes in every game thread. You literally blow up the whole free board. I will gladly pay $10 a month to get a few threads that actually discuss what we can and should do to improve instead of your personal useless attacks on players and coaches. There is a reason most of this board thinks you are a douchebag and it’s not because you think the team stinks. I would have Capped you a month ago. Nobody gives a **** if you give up your tickets in section 216! Do it.
Dude, be careful. He’s friends with a donor! You don’t want to mess with someone so well connected!
 
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AdamOnFirst

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Hey Captain Happy. This is your threads you started this year:

1) When did this board get so soft? Wawawa

2) Collins playing Martinelli stupid minutes in blowouts has finally caught up.

3) 7 more games of low energy Page and Reid.

4) Collins seat should be HOT next year.

5) Only 9 more games of Page and Reid

6) Worst NU MBB team to watch since?

7) Effort

8) Page and Reid disapproval thread.

9) I Hate this team

Forget the repetitive ignorant takes in every game thread. You literally blow up the whole free board. I will gladly pay $10 a month to get a few threads that actually discuss what we can and should do to improve instead of your personal useless attacks on players and coaches. There is a reason most of this board thinks you are a douchebag and it’s not because you think the team stinks. I would have Capped you a month ago. Nobody gives a **** if you give up your tickets in section 216! Do it.
He hasn’t blown up anything, he’s just a local idiot. The team being terrible and little else going on across NU sports just has us in a lull.
 

AdamOnFirst

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I’m hoping Gelo can improve his handle and shot to be more of a threat in the halfcourt offense. He is an elite athlete and could have a strong midrange game with a one or two-dribble pull-up jumper. Right now that is not part of his game and it feels like 90+% of his points are from dunks and layups.
If he could just shoot sorta well from the outside he’d be a poor man’s Ty Berry with more size. If he improves overall and learns to shoot very well from outside he’s a big bodied Ty Berry, aka a fantastic player.

If.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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If he could just shoot sorta well from the outside he’d be a poor man’s Ty Berry with more size. If he improves overall and learns to shoot very well from outside he’s a big bodied Ty Berry, aka a fantastic player.

If.
He has to contribute consistently on offense. I don’t think he’s suddenly going to be Steph Curry from the 3 point line. However, he has to get stronger to the hole. Gets a lot of drives blocked or altered. He could be valuable on the boards with a put back game if we had another big to crash the boards and free him up a bit.
 

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He’s always been decent at cutting, but his handling is terrible and he can’t shoot. I’m not saying he can’t stop improve, but it’s not happening right now. I do not see any star potentials
You are a harsher critic than me. I agree that he still has room for improvement, but I thought he took a sizeable step from last year to this year and expect a larger jump next yerar.
 

macarthur31

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He has to contribute consistently on offense. I don’t think he’s suddenly going to be Steph Curry from the 3 point line. However, he has to get stronger to the hole. Gets a lot of drives blocked or altered. He could be valuable on the boards with a put back game if we had another big to crash the boards and free him up a bit.
Per Torvik, last season he was 56.3% (18-32) "at the rim."; this season, he's 68.8% (53/77). That's significant improvement with regards to drives to the rim.

His usage is down (18.1%o 14.9%), but his efficiency is higher - 116.4 up from 99.4. He's also reduced his TORate down to 8.3% from last season's 18.4%

I'd affirm that Gelo has gotten more effective on offense with regards to attacking the rack. He has stepped back in FT% and 3FG%, but I can see those improving next season.
 

AdamOnFirst

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Per Torvik, last season he was 56.3% (18-32) "at the rim."; this season, he's 68.8% (53/77). That's significant improvement with regards to drives to the rim.

His usage is down (18.1%o 14.9%), but his efficiency is higher - 116.4 up from 99.4. He's also reduced his TORate down to 8.3% from last season's 18.4%

I'd affirm that Gelo has gotten more effective on offense with regards to attacking the rack. He has stepped back in FT% and 3FG%, but I can see those improving next season.
Does that account for the times he loses the handle and doesn’t get to the rim? Because he’s very poor at getting to the rim with the ball in his hands. On his freebie cuts, sure, he makes wide open layups.
 

macarthur31

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Does that account for the times he loses the handle and doesn’t get to the rim? Because he’s very poor at getting to the rim with the ball in his hands. On his freebie cuts, sure, he makes wide open layups.
That would be turnovers, no? And he's cut that rate in half this season.
 

hdhntr1

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Does that account for the times he loses the handle and doesn’t get to the rim? Because he’s very poor at getting to the rim with the ball in his hands. On his freebie cuts, sure, he makes wide open layups.
The missed FTs tonight were pretty frustrating, He got fouled on layups that rolled off and then he would get to the line where he would promptly miss a FT. Others missing FTs down the stretch sure did not help. Game would have been over a while before it was. Well that and the refs calling tacky fouls down the stretch against NU putting MD at the line and keeping them in it. Seemed like 4 or 5 possessions in a row
 

AdamOnFirst

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The missed FTs tonight were pretty frustrating, He got fouled on layups that rolled off and then he would get to the line where he would promptly miss a FT. Others missing FTs down the stretch sure did not help. Game would have been over a while before it was. Well that and the refs calling tacky fouls down the stretch against NU putting MD at the line and keeping them in it. Seemed like 4 or 5 possessions in a row
Also somehow ultimately credited with zero turnovers despite committing a few. Obviously if basically any guard suddenly becomes a good three point shooter they are immediately a useful player, but I don’t see the overall progression into a good rotation player from Gelo at all, much less any sign of breakout.