Next 3

[RU72]

First,that was a solid win and in my opinion it wasn't complicated. It was all about the 3-ball.The next 3 are very challenging,but there are 2 3-game stretches in February as difficult. How many would sign up today for 1-2? The most likely victories in order seem to be:

Seton Hall,Illinois and then a monster Purdue who will be no.1.


Thoughts?

 

[richthedentist]

Agreed we would have more of a chance against Seton Hall if those A-Holes would open up the upper bowl at the Rock so us Rutgers fans can fill the Rock but they won't as we know

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It was more about defending the 3 ball then making the 3 ball.

This win might not have happened without the previous few losses where expectations on the defensive end are being sent with PT. Band Aid approach is putting our best offensive players out there and not setting a defensive standard.

We still have along way to go and frankly I don't think we have a roster that will defend up to coach's standards. I think our best defensive lineup would be putrid offensively. The key is getting Jones, Hyatt and others to defend.

We had 4 offensive charging attempts. I believe they were the 1st 4 of the year (kudos to Ron!). Steps in the right direction

 

[RUJMM78]

The easy out of conference games were meant to counter balance the difficult games that started with Clemson.Its very difficult to go on a long winning streak because the competition is too strong and many of the games are on the road.

 

[bitnez]

Purdue is awesome this year. They beat FSU by 28 last night. Need to figure a way to get one at Illinois or against SHU

 

[PiscatawayMike]

The game at the RAC will be Purdue's first true road game of the season. Time for RU to prove to the nation that its home venue is among the country's toughest. Most agree that Purdue's Mackey Arena is the toughest in the B1G. No better time to prove it than against the Boilermakers, who will be No. 1 next week if they beat Iowa on Friday night.

 

[ru8081]

I was at the game. Keep doing this. Limit three point shooting to higher % players. Take jump shots within the arc for lower % shooters. Drive to the basket as much as possible. Get other team in foul trouble. Lastly, Defend the Three!!

 

[bac2therac]

We need one of three to stay alive for a NCAA bid

 

[kt124]

let’s win 2 out of the 3 and get back in the national conversation

 

[Mr_Twister]

The idea that the upper level is not open at the Prudential Center sort of sums up the small-minded leadership in these parts . Penny-wise, dollar foolish. Seton Hall does more to accommodate Villanova than their in-state rival. Might be time to pull the plug on this faux rivalry,

 

[jordkap]

The game at the RAC will be Purdue's first true road game of the season. Time for RU to prove to the nation that its home venue is among the country's toughest. Most agree that Purdue's Mackey Arena is the toughest in the B1G. No better time to prove it than against the Boilermakers, who will be No. 1 next week if they beat Iowa on Friday night.

Purdue is just a terror to face. They have shooters and height everywhere. Only way to beat them is them having an off night and getting the correct guys in foul trouble

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

We need one of three to stay alive for a NCAA bid

It actually doesn't come down to wins or losses.....RU played terrible looking basketball in the 1st 6 games, because possession by possession, RU was erratic on both ends of the court or making silly plays, awful turnovers and not making basic plays.

RU just needs to play clean, crisp basketball and not have 13 to 14 turnovers and avoid teams getting cheap baskets.....as much as people don't want to believe it, RU would have probably landed in the same spots on the kenpom, Bart types, because they didn't play well, win or lose......you also factor in Baker not playing and that helps the cause on a 10 pt win vs Clemson.

RU didn't shoot lights out from 3 or from the FT line. RU took care of the ball and that can frustrate opponents that need easy baskets to survive.

Illinois actually (to me) looks much better and more balanced when Curbelo is NOT playing.....Curbelo was a turnover machine vs Marquette, and completely ignored some open teammates....he missed their last game with an illness or whatever. If he plays and dominates the ball again, RU has a chance to steal one. Plummer, the Utah transfer will have to guard Harper or Caleb/Jones and Trent Frazier is the one X Factor....Baker or Jalen Miller may have to play and matchup.

If I ranked the win likelihood, it has nothing to do with opponents, but who do you play before or after....RU draws Seton Hall after #1 Purdue plays at the RAC.....I know fans don't believe in letdown, but it is difficult to play well, 3 or 4 games in a row, unless you have tremendous depth and talent, 1 through 9 or 10.....Seton Hall hosts Texas before playing RU, which will be another big time matchup next week.

I would tank the win likelihood as Purdue, Illinois and then Seton Hall. RU plays well in a huge underdog role and has nothing to lose hosting #1.....no one expects you to win and you have the crowd roaring.....you could split hairs between Illinois or SHu as 2 or 3.....

If you can get Baker back for 14 to 16 minutes Friday and the 20 to 24 vs Purdue, RU has a chance to get 2 in a row.....I really am not sure Illinois wants to feed Cockburn the ball every possession.....and a bunch of dunks or 2 pointers, isn't going to kill you.....Purdue from 3 and hitting shots can AND they have the post play on offense with Edey and Williams....

I still believe the RAC is the biggest X factor of the next 3 games......

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Illinois is a very winnable game. Illinois, like ours with transfers, has yet to find their identity as a team without Ayo running the show. Last night and even @UMass loss, we are finding an identity as a team. I was happy to see Ron find his rhythm last night vs Clemson, and Jaden trying hard to find his. I have a feeling that Jaden will get close or find his rhythm against Illinois, and hopefully we have both Ron and Jaden at full strength and in rhythm vs Purdue, we will need both to stay close with Purdue. Purdue, like Iowa, doesn't play great defense. What happens in those 2 games will determine what happens @ SHU.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The math...the record required going forward....would get extremely hard with a 7-6 record ending 2021.

If we all have internal goals of making the NCAAs not getting 1 of these 3 would significantly reduce our chances. You would be looking at 11-7 plus a B1Gt win to probably be in any conversation. That would still be 18-14 and probably would be a NO.

This is probably a race to 19. Right now we are only favored in 3 B1G games. We are going to need to win a bunch of the 20%ers.

20%s

Fri 12-03

A

23 (I-A)

•

Illinois

+9.7, 71-61

16%

.76

Thu 12-09

H

2 (I-A)

•

Purdue

+8.4, 71-63

19%

.71

Sun 12-12

A

33 (I-A)

Seton Hall

+8.3, 69-60

19%

.72

Sat 2-12

A

35 (I-A)

•

Wisconsin

+7.5, 63-56

19%

.72

Sun 2-20

A

2 (I-A)

•

Purdue

+15.3, 75-60

7%

.89

Wed 2-23

A

15 (I-A)

•

Michigan

+10.3, 68-58

13%

.80

Wed 3-02

A

19 (I-A)

•

Indiana

+9.7, 69-59

15%

.77

 

[BillyC80]

Purdue is just a terror to face. They have shooters and height everywhere. Only way to beat them is them having an off night and getting the correct guys in foul trouble

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if Cliff doesn’t foul out of that game.

 

[BillyC80]

We seem to play pretty well at IL. If we can somehow escape with a win there, I like our chances to give Purdue a tough game, because we will be well-rested (maybe with Geo back) and the RAC will be rockin.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The idea that the upper level is not open at the Prudential Center sort of sums up the small-minded leadership in these parts . Penny-wise, dollar foolish. Seton Hall does more to accommodate Villanova than their in-state rival. Might be time to pull the plug on this faux rivalry,

Yes... I'm sure the state and vendors at The Rock would benefit from the upper level being open... Newark and New Jersey probably collect taxes based on revenues of all businesses affected by that upper level not being open.

Someone needs to make this a political issue and fast. Seton Hall's deal with the Prudential Center should get some attention paid to lost revenue opportunities like this one.

 

[batts]

Yes... I'm sure the state and vendors at The Rock would benefit from the upper level being open... Newark and New Jersey probably collect taxes based on revenues of all businesses affected by that upper level not being open.

Someone needs to make this a political issue and fast. Seton Hall's deal with the Prudential Center should get some attention paid to lost revenue opportunities like this one.

Well, you may want to re-think your agenda in light of the millions of dollars in the red of Rutger's Athletic Department and the resulting impact on the State's taxpayers, student fees, etc.

 

[RUChoppin]

Well, you may want to re-think your agenda in light of the millions of dollars in the red of Rutger's Athletic Department and the resulting impact on the State's taxpayers, student fees, etc.

lol... please, itemize for us the impact of Rutgers' athletics on state taxpayers... bonus points if you can do it in less time than the equivalent cost paying someone at minimum wage ($1 per 5 minutes).

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

lol... please, itemize for us the impact of Rutgers' athletics on state taxpayers... bonus points if you can do it in less time than the equivalent cost paying someone at minimum wage ($1 per 5 minutes).

I would love to join this battle but it's a waste of time . Rather stick to BB talk but it is crazy what some of these big time football coaches get paid with added perks thrown in . That is why I love college hoops. It is where small private schools can go toe to toe with the big state schools .

 

[RUChoppin]

I would love to join this battle but it's a waste of time . Rather stick to BB talk but it is crazy what some of these big time football coaches get paid with added perks thrown in . That is why I love college hoops. It is where small private schools can go toe to toe with the big state schools .

It is a waste of time - since the state only provides 19% of Rutgers budget, and Rutgers only spends 2.8% of its budget on athletics.

FWIW, Willard gets paid more by his small private school than Pikiell gets paid by his big state school. Small or large, private or state... it's the market that determines what a competitive salary is.

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

It is a waste of time - since the state only provides 17% of Rutgers budget, and Rutgers only spends 2.8% of its budget on athletics.

FWIW, Willard gets paid more by his small private school than Pikiell gets paid by his big state school. Small or large, private or state... it's the market that determines what a competitive salary is.

Again I'm talking about big time football coaches salaries ( LSU BAMA etc. ) Also Willard has been here 12yrs. and and deserved his raises and my point is that small private schools can compete in BB with the big private schools . I could care less how your school spends their money or how they can eat contracts and pay coaches that don't even coach. See you Dec. 12th.

 

[RUChoppin]

Again I'm talking about big time football coaches salaries ( LSU BAMA etc. ) Also Willard has been here 12yrs. and and deserved his raises and my point is that small private schools can compete in BB with the big private schools . I could care less how your school spends their money or how they can eat contracts and pay coaches that don't even coach. See you Dec. 12th.

Not saying Willard doesn't deserve it - he has done a good job. Just that schools pay the market rate for coaches in any sport, whether they are a private school or public, or have small or large enrollments. Notre Dame is a "small private school" (<9K enrollment), but also pays many millions for its football coaches. Boston College and Northwestern, too.

If Seton Hall fielded a D1 football team, it'd be looking at the same market rate for a competitive coach.

Personally I think the market for college coaches is inflated because the only market driven compensation is at the coaching level, whereas professional teams have to pay market rate for both the coaches and the players. But that's a whole other discussion.

 

[batts]

lol... please, itemize for us the impact of Rutgers' athletics on state taxpayers... bonus points if you can do it in less time than the equivalent cost paying someone at minimum wage ($1 per 5 minutes).

The State of New Jersey provides funds a quarter of Rutger's operational budget which was $437,000,000 in 2020.

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

Not saying Willard doesn't deserve it - he has done a good job. Just that schools pay the market rate for coaches in any sport, whether they are a private school or public, or have small or large enrollments. Notre Dame is a "small private school" (<9K enrollment), but also pays many millions for its football coaches. Boston College and Northwestern, too.

If Seton Hall fielded a D1 football team, it'd be looking at the same market rate for a competitive coach.

Personally I think the market for college coaches is inflated because the only market driven compensation is at the coaching level, whereas professional teams have to pay market rate for both the coaches and the players. But that's a whole other discussion.

Only two Catholic schools compete in D1 football and you named them both .ND with their own NBC contract is very rear exception . Not a fan of them . Anyway on to BB and enjoy the season .

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

The State of New Jersey provides funds a quarter of Rutger's operational budget which was $437,000,000 in 2020.

I agree with you but you are going to lose this fight on this board . Stick to BB talk . Only my opinion .I have been down this road it is a dead end .

 

[RUChoppin]

Only two Catholic schools compete in D1 football and you named them both .ND with their own NBC contract is very rear exception . Not a fan of them . Anyway on to BB and enjoy the season .

Who said anything about Catholic schools? We were talking public/private, not secular/religious (there are 17 private FBS schools). Either way, Catholic schools have to pay market rate, too - they don't get some sort of discount.

The point is, salary is market driven - Rutgers can't pay below market rate for coach and be competitive, whether that's football, basketball, or lacrosse. They don't pay more money because they have high enrollment, or because they have partial state funding.

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

Who said anything about Catholic schools? We were talking public/private, not secular/religious (there are 17 private FBS schools). Either way, Catholic schools have to pay market rate, too - they don't get some sort of discount.

The point is, salary is market driven - Rutgers can't pay below market rate for coach and be competitive, whether that's football, basketball, or lacrosse. They don't pay more money because they have high enrollment, or because they have partial state funding.

Relax.I only said that because you mentioned ND and BC . It also used to be a good trivia question. Naming D1 catholic football schools .

 

[rob kight]

Think we have a reasonable chance against Illinois and the Hall and would be nice to give Purdue a scare. Unfortunately, women’s soccer and Illinois game at the same time Friday. Let’s hope for 2 wins.

 

[STLPirate12]

Who said anything about Catholic schools? We were talking public/private, not secular/religious (there are 17 private FBS schools). Either way, Catholic schools have to pay market rate, too - they don't get some sort of discount.

The point is, salary is market driven - Rutgers can't pay below market rate for coach and be competitive, whether that's football, basketball, or lacrosse. They don't pay more money because they have high enrollment, or because they have partial state funding.

The coaching salary problem isn't so much paying market rate as it is buying out the failed coaches and thus paying these men millions to do absolutely nothing. And that's not just a Rutgers issue, it happens to every school that struggles to find stability in it's football coaching position.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I agree to the notion that the $ we are talking about per NJ taxpayer isn't a lot. It is still a big number that allocated elsewhere could give significant support to other organizations that need it. A few food pantries would have ample food. Assisted living facilities might have extra $ to keep beds open or to be able to provide affordable care.

99.44% of NJ tax payers don't care about Rutgers basketball. With indirect payment of athletes right around the corner the stance of politicians being PRO RU sports may be the wrong place to be.

Coaching salaries and total athletic budgets have gotten crazy. Is there a path for Rutgers athletics ever being self sustaining....even without all non revenue sports?

I doubt it.

 

[ru66]

Well, you may want to re-think your agenda in light of the millions of dollars in the red of Rutger's Athletic Department and the resulting impact on the State's taxpayers, student fees, etc.

Yeah Iike 10 cents a person

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Yeah Iike 10 cents a person

That's football only.

But the people that argue against what New Jersey grants Rutgers never think about what other states do for their residents now what the Rutgers budget provides the state. Like how Rutgers took in those loss-leaders of UMDNJ and the hospitals that politicians used to provide no-show jobs to themselves,, friends and relatives for decades.

I'd guess that most of what the state provides goes to all those things plus the social sciences majors and so on. Very little ends up in athletics and while multiple states provide their residents' several state universities competing at the highest levels, New Jersey residents are upset that there is one such state university in New Jersey.

And with roughly 9 million people in New Jersey.. even at that 400M+ number.. what's that, $50 a person per year to have a world-class research university in New Jersey that takes its commitment to serve the state seriously? Please.. that's a bargain by any measure.. and the states residents get to have opportunities for their sons and daughters (and others) athletes to compete at the highest levels like many other states.