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President Trump understands and knows history.Couple Observations
1. Why is Trump fighting with the Pope? The Catholic Church as an entity is extremely pro-migration and anti-war. This is not because it has political views but the Catholic Church believes those are consistent with the teachings of Jesus. Agree or disagree, the Pope is going to have those views and as a theological figure, don't be surprised when they are expressed.
2. Pope Leo voted (in IL) in the 2016 Republican primary and at least the 2016 and 2024 general elections. I think Trump suspects that the Pope never voted for Trump! "Why does the Pope hate Trump???!!!" (I'm quoting Trump's brain on that one.) I have some guesses about whom the Pope voted for in 2016 ... wouldn't be shocked if he voted for the same candidate I did in both the primary and the general. I am definitely not anti-war.
3. Trump posting pictures of himself as Jesus seems about as on brand as anything Trump could do. 2.75 more years of this, and then Dems will have total control. Until the GOP ditches populism first (not saying no populism is allowed), we will just go back and forth between one dumb ideology/political movement to another.
4. It's worth noting that so-called authoritarian Orban handled his defeat more nobly than Trump did his. Orban has been far too illiberal for me (the rule of law in Hungary is not in great shape), but he wasn't anti-democratic.
5. I heard a commentator I don't think is anti-Trump (served in his first Admin for awhile) say the other day that she thinks one of the big drags on Trump is that America is moving on from the "reality TV era." Specifically, reality TV ratings are terrible, no new shows are being green lit, and the industry is in steep decline. Trump is a clear "reality TV president," and it does seem like the drama surrounding him is wearing on people more in Term 2 than Term 1.
He knows and is aware of the Catholic History, especially their actions and policies prior, during, and after WW 2.
The person saying it often annoys me, and I was thinking how insightful that observation was after I heard it. Trump is clearly a product of the reality TV era, without that he's a mostly failed businessman to Americans.
The Pope is not aligning himself with the left lol. The theology literally compels the Church to take this position (I'm not Catholic). The same way the Catholic Church is wildly to the right on abortion and birth control. These are not political matters, they are theological.
So, it's on Trump to ignore out. Or say he respects their religious views, but that Iran can't have a nuke. That's a great response.
Trump is at 39.5 (Silver) or 41.5 (RCP) approval right now. He's shooting himself in the balls unnecessarily on the reg. No need to fight the Pope (right wing Catholics like him and the Pope, typically). I think one can make a pretty good argument Trump had a solid first term, which allowed him to overcome his 2020 foibles when Biden utterly failed as Prez, but I think there's a good case that a fair number of other Rs could have won in 2016 and 2024, they were just less exciting to voters (I mean, whose more exciting than Big Don).
So a man, graduating from a top University. Married 3 times to successively more beautiful Wives, started with million dollars and made into Billions.
Is un-disciplined !
Here you go with poll this and poll that.
CNN latest poll that I recall had him at 100 % approval rating for Iran.
Did you miss David Axelrod, who you should know as a deeply committed leftist of Team Obama, met with the current pope and after the meeting three Cardinals went on 60 Minutes and bashed Trump? All 3 of them are progressives, admitted by HuffPo. The Vatican is huge on the Great Replacement, if that's what you consider "pro-immigration". Leo may have voted Republican in the Illinois primary, but I can vote Democrat in the Illinois primary. It means absolutely nothing, because he's considered a Centrist, at least at the time of becoming the Pope. Here are the actual conservative Catholic Cardinals who were in the running. Leo isn't mentioned.Couple Observations
1. Why is Trump fighting with the Pope? The Catholic Church as an entity is extremely pro-migration and anti-war. This is not because it has political views but the Catholic Church believes those are consistent with the teachings of Jesus. Agree or disagree, the Pope is going to have those views and as a theological figure, don't be surprised when they are expressed.
2. Pope Leo voted (in IL) in the 2016 Republican primary and at least the 2016 and 2024 general elections. I think Trump suspects that the Pope never voted for Trump! "Why does the Pope hate Trump???!!!" (I'm quoting Trump's brain on that one.) I have some guesses about whom the Pope voted for in 2016 ... wouldn't be shocked if he voted for the same candidate I did in both the primary and the general. I am definitely not anti-war.
3. Trump posting pictures of himself as Jesus seems about as on brand as anything Trump could do. 2.75 more years of this, and then Dems will have total control. Until the GOP ditches populism first (not saying no populism is allowed), we will just go back and forth between one dumb ideology/political movement to another.
4. It's worth noting that so-called authoritarian Orban handled his defeat more nobly than Trump did his. Orban has been far too illiberal for me (the rule of law in Hungary is not in great shape), but he wasn't anti-democratic.
5. I heard a commentator I don't think is anti-Trump (served in his first Admin for awhile) say the other day that she thinks one of the big drags on Trump is that America is moving on from the "reality TV era." Specifically, reality TV ratings are terrible, no new shows are being green lit, and the industry is in steep decline. Trump is a clear "reality TV president," and it does seem like the drama surrounding him is wearing on people more in Term 2 than Term 1.
Trump's father was one of the wealthiest people in the US and some of his best performing real estate assets were handed down.
He's a genius marketer tho, and his business success has been outstanding since his business primarily became a marketing outfit. So he's very good, arguably unparalleled, at this type of biz.
However, it took the reality TV to turn the Trump brand from an iffy real estate empire to a marketing colossus.
The Iranian relatives of high ranking regime officials living life in the US is proof positive of that. Carney's kids are all on the US side of the border with Canada.
That's why I put a "+" after my 32,000 figure. The exact number varies according to source.
That was of MAGA Republicans. I also approve of Trump on Iran.
I did not say Leo is from the Church's "conservative" wing (he didn't appear to be a liberal either, but Jesuits are a more liberal order).
I do know that Leo voted in MULTIPLE GOP primaries (you can look it up and should), so he was at least to some degree a Republican voter when participating in US elections. I also think it's beyond laughable that you are arguing the Pope believes in the "Great Replacement." My dude ... Catholics are against birth control, they don't believe in "replacement," they just believe in "more souls."
I realize a number of you can't bear to side against Trump, but Catholic theological doctrine is clear on things like immigration, war, birth control, and abortion, and it just doesn't line up with partisan team politics as fought in the USA.
I don't think Trump cares about 2028, and it wouldn't shock me if (with his ego) he would want the next GOP candidate to lose. "I was able to win but he couldn't, so I'm better."
My dad once told me(while drunk) that god granted me my post in life because of how I take care of my disabled son. Obviously, an outrageous take. I easily pointed out the numerous good parents(of disabled children) I knew that struggled financially. Can we think of any other reality TV star that ascended to the presidency(twice) or to a lesser extent Congress? Trump has been analyzing political issues for decades on tv. See his Oprah interview.
If I were Trump, I might respond to the Pope with a well thought out, humble response like you mentioned. Ya, the undisciplined response doesn't help Trump, but does it help the Catholic Church when always Trumpers stop or cut back throwing cash in the til? Catholic leadership ignores or allows atrocities, but condemns justice. Pope Pius XII pursued a policy of strict, often silent neutrality motivated by fear of Nazi power and a desire to protect the church. How many young boys were raped while they ignored a major problem? Clown show leadership imo. The Just War Doctrine addresses your theological argument.
I know a guy that is an R and a Trump fan. He loves Tucker and bashes Trump nonstop now as an Israeli puppet. I know another Trump voter that has bought the media Epstein chant. He bashes Trump now. Do you buy these two criticisms because they are what costs Trump R support currently?
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You think those Chinese kids that brought pathogens to the US like America because they came here?
I knew there were some simple minded thinkers on here, but this is impressive.
I thought people on here have acknowledged that it’s great to come here because it’s easy to defraud our govt programs? Are you guys off the fraud train now? Just here because they love America? You think all the Somalians love America? They all pledge their allegiance to their home country and scam us. How loving!
I don’t think it was love. I think it was free housing, free healthcare, etc.
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My dad once told me(while drunk) that god granted me my post in life because of how I take care of my disabled son. Obviously, an outrageous take. I easily pointed out the numerous good parents(of disabled children) I knew that struggled financially. Can we think of any other reality TV star that ascended to the presidency(twice) or to a lesser extent Congress? Trump has been analyzing political issues for decades on tv. See his Oprah interview. The Just War Doctrine addresses your theological argument.
If I were Trump, I might respond to the Pope with a well thought out, humble response like you mentioned. Ya, the undisciplined response doesn't help Trump, but does it help the Catholic Church when always Trumpers stop or cut back throwing cash in the til? Catholic leadership ignores or allows atrocities, but condemns justice. Pope Pius XII pursued a policy of strict, often silent neutrality motivated by fear of Nazi power and a desire to protect the church. How many young boys were raped while they ignored a major problem? Clown show leadership imo.
I know a guy that is an R and a Trump fan. He loves Tucker and bashes Trump nonstop now as an Israeli puppet. I know another Trump voter that has bought the media Epstein chant. He bashes Trump now. Do you buy these two criticisms because they are what costs Trump R support currently?
What did Pope Leo have to do with the Nazis or the pedophilia scandal? I'm also not suggesting that the Catholic theology is correct, I'm more pro-war against evildoers than almost anyone you know. I'm just explaining that we should expect this position from the Pope/Vatican. I think the Vatican is largely wrong about Iran, but they aren't making political comments about Trump here (they are making theological arguments against war). Trump of course can't handle this normally, and so now we have him posting "Trump Jesus" photos lol.
Not sure why you are comparing yourself to Trump, his business success was not self made. I suppose you could compare his political success to your business success, Trump generated his own political success. I try to call it how I see it, Trump was better at politics than business.
As for the people off the Trump Train, one of my criticisms of the train is that it took on all sorts of crazies. No shock to me many are mad. I like winning elections by convincing the normie middle that my conservative views are better than liberal views. Neither party has tried that option for awhile now, will be interesting to see if we go back that direction some post-Trump.
Your nephew doesn’t live in the mountains, from what I remember. Golfed in Evergreen today. Fun course, elk all over it.
The course owns 2 ponds to water the course. One is already drying up in April. Tough summer coming up.
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Being married 3x is not super disciplined to most of us. Yes, marriages aren't always perfect and divorces happen. Trump seems to treat his as somewhat expendable.
He is a golfer and just looked at it like he was improving his lie.
The theology is debatable as is most. The Pope has to pretend there are not exceptions and of course there are.
The Catholic Just War Doctrine, based on teachings from St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, provides strict conditions for the moral legitimacy of using military force, emphasizing that war should be avoided and only used as a last resort. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 2309), a just war must meet four strict criteria simultaneously: damage by an aggressor is lasting, grave, and certain; all other means are ineffective; there are serious prospects of success; and the war does not produce greater evil than that to be eliminated.
Trump eliminated the greater evil. The Pope is ignoring that fact. Now, it could be argued the new leader is bad also. But, if they now cannot get nukes and their military is ground into hamburger, they cannot do the type of harm they intended to do a couple of months ago. Why did the Pope ignore this part of his theology to take his shot at Trump? Why meet with an agnostic Dem operative around the time he felt the need to ignore his entire theology that should be referenced?
And yet…
Guess who gave him the unchecked power when it most needed to be taken away. But ya, I’m sure Trump would have asked for the DOJ to prosecute him.
Trump could expose all that Fauci did…but he doesn’t care. Much like the Epstein stuff, he would have asked the country to move on, without a single prosecution.
i'm not sure the Pope is making an argument rather than a statement. According to ChatGPT he didn't directly criticize the Iranian government when they killed many thousands of their citizens. What he said was things like:
This is widely understood as a reference to Jews being killed by the Nazis.
Pope's do what Pope's do and most political leaders ignore them.
edit: Rome was under the control of Mussolini in December 1942 so maybe the Pope was being careful but still probably reluctant to take sides.
- called for peace and dialogue in Iran
- warned that tensions were causing deaths
- expressed concern about violence
- called for peace and dialogue in Iran
- warned that tensions were causing deaths
- expressed concern about violence
This is widely understood as a reference to Jews being killed by the Nazis.But:
- He did NOT say “Jews” explicitly
- He did NOT name Nazi Germany or Hitler directly
Pope's do what Pope's do and most political leaders ignore them.
edit: Rome was under the control of Mussolini in December 1942 so maybe the Pope was being careful but still probably reluctant to take sides.
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Not sure I think Trump should have done this but he didn't ask me. (He reposted someone's else's post of a picture with Jesus embracing him. Not a terrible thing but it will keep the media "reporting" on it.)
www.ctvnews.ca
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Donald Trump posts image of himself with Jesus amid Pope criticism
U.S. President Donald Trump posted an apparently AI-generated image of Jesus embracing him on Wednesday, two days after he deleted a post that prompted criticism that the Republican president had compared himself to Jesus.
www.ctvnews.ca
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Didn't Biden pardon Fauci?
The country should move on from Epstein. The only reason our media likes the useful idiots to keep bringing it up is to try and implicate Trump. Notice how the media was silent and you never cared while Biden was in office. The crimes happened preBiden, but he did nothing and you didn't complain at that time. You carrying water for the MSM is a little pathetic, don't you think?
I believe Trump would love to see his DOJ prosecute Fauci. If he told them to prosecute him, you would race on here to claim he has politically weaponized the DOJ.
The left mostly likes Fauci. The right not so much.
I was encouraged to see Mike's position there.
False, I’d 100% be behind it. I believe he committed serious crimes against humanity. Spoke up about it often.
At a minimum, I’d like to see everything exposed, but Trump was President when a lot of that happened. I don’t think he would want it all exposed, wouldn’t look good for him either.
The NIAID budget grew during Trump’s first term. He empowered Fauci.
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That's fair. But do you believe Trump went in and said, "I want to increase the NIAID budget" or do you find it more likely he had no clue what that was or really who Fauci was until covid?
I’m with you there, I think it’s very likely he didn’t know. But some would consider that negligent on his part, so I don’t think he would want it all exposed.
I don’t blame Trump for wanting to move on from that, but also don’t believe he would recommend prosecuting him, even if he could. It would raise a lot of other questions. Obviously just my opinion, but I think it’s telling that little has been exposed in the last couple years. We just moved on.
MOD from Bill O
President Trump is facing his legacy: Iran. If the Mullahs surrender, he achieves a major historical victory. If the USA and the world slide into recession and inflation, Mr. Trump will be hammered by his critics, and history will turn on him.
The odds are in the President’s favor because the internal situation inside Iran is weak. The Mullahs can hold out, but not much longer.
If Trump achieves victory, there will be hell to pay for NATO. He will make Europe suffer economically for its cowardice. NATO is hapless. Putin will take advantage of that.
President Trump is unique. No other modern leader would have attacked Iran. Too much downside. Can you imagine Kamala Harris dealing with this? Never happen.
All Americans should be rooting against evil. Even if you don’t like Mr. Trump, he is on the side of the angels, trying to neutralize Iran. Let’s just hope he doesn’t dress up like one.
President Trump is facing his legacy: Iran. If the Mullahs surrender, he achieves a major historical victory. If the USA and the world slide into recession and inflation, Mr. Trump will be hammered by his critics, and history will turn on him.
The odds are in the President’s favor because the internal situation inside Iran is weak. The Mullahs can hold out, but not much longer.
If Trump achieves victory, there will be hell to pay for NATO. He will make Europe suffer economically for its cowardice. NATO is hapless. Putin will take advantage of that.
President Trump is unique. No other modern leader would have attacked Iran. Too much downside. Can you imagine Kamala Harris dealing with this? Never happen.
All Americans should be rooting against evil. Even if you don’t like Mr. Trump, he is on the side of the angels, trying to neutralize Iran. Let’s just hope he doesn’t dress up like one.
He is an arrogant NYer, so you might be right. I think on his list of priorities rn, Fauci is at the bottom, if on it. I am guessing he announced those autopen pardons to be void to uncuff his DOJ to follow the crimes wherever they go. JMO.
Just to be clear on the theology of the papistry, Pope JP2 opposed the Iraq War from the jump.
You are free to disagree with the Pope but it’s silly to act as if this is some sort of theological debate among Catholic leadership. They are extremely against offensive war.
I disagree with the Catholic Church but the pontiff very much has the right to state the Church’s position no matter how butthurt Don gets.
You are free to disagree with the Pope but it’s silly to act as if this is some sort of theological debate among Catholic leadership. They are extremely against offensive war.
I disagree with the Catholic Church but the pontiff very much has the right to state the Church’s position no matter how butthurt Don gets.
I thought you were bashing reality tv in earlier posts. His Father was mostly a builder of low cost single family homes on Long Island and then multi-unit apartments.
I never saw DJT on that fire/hire tv show, but then I don't waste time on most of tv then or now !
Take some time to explain why I am for or against "Great Replacement ". I like to know what I am for or against...
Why would I or anyone care whom Leo voted for or what Party in primaries ?
I voted in Dem local primaries (registering was easy and back as well.) for a friend who was running for local school board. He got 8 votes (mine was 1) and was elected.
You advised me that the golf course my Nephew lives on when in Colo, was your favorite one to play.
Silly me thinking you would be playing your favorite course.
Do you get ball relief if the ball winds up in a hoof divot or elk poop ?