New Video released--Philando Castille

[TRich24]

This is only my experience as well as those that were in my class. I'm a regular law abiding citizen with a CWP. Part of my cwp class was a discussion or

This is only my experience as well as those that were in my class. I'm a regular law abiding citizen with a CWP. Part of my cwp class was a discussion or training on how to handle interaction with officers. That training specifically mentions not to reach your hands where an officer can't see once you've informed him of your firearm.

I'm different from you I guess. When a cop tells me to not reach for something or pull something out, I would stop reaching for something or pulling something out.

All that being said this shooting should never have happened. The kid in the backseat is heartbreaking. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine one of my sons going through that. I don't understand why the officer fired so quickly. I just don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you do.

I've had my CWP for years here in GA and we didn't take any classes. You literally go to the court house, fill out paperwork and it shows up 1-2 weeks later in the mail. I hear you on the "reach or pull something out", but the instruction was to not reach for the gun and he didn't do that. I also agree that this should have never happened and my heart is broken for the child.

 

[Steven15]

I disagree with you on the tunnel vision. I've been in a car twice where the driver had a weapon (I was the driver in one instance) and was pulled over. You don't get tunnel vision there. You focus intently. At least I did and my friend did as well.

So how do we get more training for officers? How do we get everyone to respect officers and listen to instruction?

The officer told him to not pull out his gun and Philando stated very clearly he wasn't.... I'll take the word of the dead man who said well before hand he had a firearm/with his family in the car. Might just be me but I doubt he was trying to pull a fast one on the cop..... versus the officer being incompetent/weak minded

 

[ddot7]

So if you were pulled over, told a cop you had a weapon, then disobeyed instruction what do you think happens to you? I don't know you, I don't know if you're a kappa sigma cornball or not. I don't know what "type" of person you are. So I'm asking, what would have happened to you?

How well do you know the officer in this situation? What's his background? Training? History on the force? I know you've said he was a dirtbag, and I believe other derogatory terms as well so you clearly know him well.

I don't carry a weapon. I can't put myself in that situation. I couldn't care less about knowing a damn thing about the cop so miss me with that.

I rarely talk about anything personal on here but here goes:

Spoiler: This is a true story, you can read it if you want...

About 2 months ago I'm driving in Harlem. Come to a light with a bunch of traffic waiting to make a right, a route I take almost daily and I usually sit there for a couple minutes til it turns green. I'm talking to my girlfriend over my car's bluetooth/handsfree and a cop whose car is parked on the side of the street with his partner in it walks up to the front/passenger side of my car and yells at me to pull over. It's the middle of a clear day so I know it's not my headlights or whatever, I wasn't moving and hadn't sped to get there, didn't cut anybody off, I have no idea what's going on or if I'm actually in troubel but I pull over. I roll down my window, he looks in my car and pauses then says, "What were you doing with your cell phone?" My cell is sitting right by my cup holder like it is 90% of the time and I'm like, "I'm just talking to my girlfriend" (she's still on the phone with me, I'd told her, "Hold on a second" because I didn't know what it was about) and he's like, show me your cell phone so I do and I say, "Officer, I'm talking over bluetooth, I was doing the right thing and wasn't using my phone" but he tells me, "I saw you handling it" which is 1) ******** and 2) Would've been impossible to even see into my car even if I was jerking off, dude was like 5'7" at best (and looked like a more special needs Ted Cruz) and when he started walking over to my car he was at a distance and angle that there's no way he could've seen my phone sitting in my car. He tells me to wait there and goes to his car. Literally over 12 minutes later he comes back.

I was sitting there thinking I might get a warning, which in and of itself is absurd because I truly did nothing wrong but whatever. My opinion is that the only logical explanation is that he saw me speaking but assumed I was holding my phone and talking over speakerphone or something, nothing else makes sense. Had I actually been using my phone in any matter including that, I would've accepted that I ****** up and learned from it. But it's not the case.

Anyway, as I see this smug little ******* walking back to my car, I made what in hindsight could've been a big mistake by then grabbing my phone to record what he had to say. I knew he had a ticket and I wanted to hear his explanation and have proof so I could fight it. He let me reach, grab my phone and say "Hold on" while I recorded it and didn't yell to "Keep your hands where I can see them or anything like that" but instead he mumbled he was giving me a ticket for "Conspicuous use of an electronic device" so I asked him to repeat it. He did but I firmly interrupted him and said, "I was not using my phone. I was talking via bluetooth." He repeated himself and I did the same but raised my phone because at that point I was pissed off. He handed me the ticket with a smirk on his face and I said, "You know this kind of **** is why people don't like you." Dude just walked away. 100% true story.

Honestly, while I didn't have a weapon so there was clearly no reason for me to declare such, I believe there were a lot of reasons for him to think otherwise if I was a 6'5" black dude with dreads from uptown or at a minimum react to me when I talked back. I made a mistake by making the last comment but it's true and I'm not the type of person to bite my tongue. You can say I was being stupid and I was but like I said, if this wasn't a completely baseless reason to first pull me over and then give me a ticket, it would've played out much differently from my end but I was pissed. I don't know though, if I was that same guy I just mentioned, I might've been afraid to make any sudden moves or I might not have even needed to and in all likelihood I would've been treated differently.

All I'm saying is that white people are afforded WAY more leeway by cops in MOST instances when black men are instead viewed as a threat. You might not want to admit it but that's the kind of **** that leads to these types of situations, NOT someone calmly identifying that he has a firearm and not given an opportunity to live.

 

[doodog]

The cop should definitely be in prison. What he did was unnecessary.

 

[emajor2]

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't had a field day with this.

The gun loving NRA won't touch this and do not care. If the gun owner is black, all indignation rules don't apply.

 

[rogue booster]

You said come together. .

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't had a field day with this.

I know you're trolling, but has the NRA ever gotten involved in stuff like this? And I'm sorry @emajor2 , but your post is dumb as heck.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

If we raise the wages of officers will it improve the candidate pool? I'm working on getting money for my city/county from the state to teach officers in aikido, and jiu jitsu. I believe the defensive mindset and conflict resolution with least amount of violence really increase an individuals confidence and ability to mentally work thru a situation.

I wish our state would legalize marijuana and tax it. Use the tax dollars (plus money we save on people being in jail for something that is now legal) to up the wages and training of officers. I really think it could be that easy at least on the officer side of things. Once they are better taught/trained and paid better these shooting will greatly decrease and therefor will help us as the public to respect and listen better.

What can't marijuana do? Ironically, marijuana played a role in this shooting- Castille had been smoking in the car, and the officer said that he was put on especially high alert because he wondered what kind of person would be smoking weed in a car with his baby in it. That's not a good reason to shoot somebody, but it's still ironic you should bring up marijuana.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You want to go through each one of those so we can compare apples to apples? I'm sure you can cherry pick a few instances where white people have been shot by police officers unjustifiably and it's sad no matter what. To be honest, I think that it happens too often regardless of race. I fully believe cops have a difficult job but I also fully believe that many (but far from all) tend to racially profile and assume that black men are threats whether it's justified or not. And in this instance, I don't see the justification and the cop's own words make me believe that to be true.

I never said that police don't kill white people, just that in these particular circumstances, where Philando Castile was not combative, calmly did what most of the pro-NRA crowd would most likely otherwise label as the "right thing" by identifying that he was in possession of a firearm, yet this dirtbag cop still assumed he was a threat. For no real and fair reason. And yes, I believe if people are willing to be objective and honest, if he was a Kappa Sigma dress like you most of you cornballs, he would've walked away with his life.

Another study did compare apples to apples and found that cops are more likely to shoot white people, but that they were more aggressive with black people. That's not proof positive of anything, but it dies show that there are good reasons to question your narrative. Perhaps there's more going on than just black people being shot for no good reason by police? Maybe certain narratives drive what shootings the media reports on, and which it doesn't?

 

[ddot7]

What can't marijuana do? Ironically, marijuana played a role in this shooting- Castille had been smoking in the car, and the officer said that he was put on especially high alert because he wondered what kind of person would be smoking weed in a car with his baby in it. That's not a good reason to shoot somebody, but it's still ironic you should bring up marijuana.

Just a note but I don't know much about or refer to the Guardian for my news, this article is relevant though:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...astile-shooting-marijuana-car-dashcam-footage

I'm sorry but that's such a reach and the biggest ******** he could've come up with. Once again, a lot on here will probably disagree but I don't think the cop comes up with that if Castile was white.

 

[ddot7]

Another study did compare apples to apples and found that cops are more likely to shoot white people, but that they were more aggressive with black parole.

You have a link to that?

 

[SDTiger9]

If anyone's willing to be honest about it, if Philando Castile was instead Hunter Lucas O'Callaghan III, the officer would've thanked him for informing him that he was licensed to carry, given him a warning and sent him on his way to lacrosse practice with a "Get em, bro!"

In the unlikely event he'd shot him, even once, he wouldn't have waited 5 minutes before yanking him out of the car like an animal.

This **** is disgusting.

This is the harden reality that many people don't want to believe is the pure reality that will be nearly impossible to ever overcome.

But but some "magical extra training" sessions will stop these things from happening.

 

[Clemblack]

Nobody suggested white people don't get killed. The problem is what the data proves. Black and Hispanic people are shot and killed by police, in 2017, far far more often.

The suggestion stands. The likelihood of him being shot and killed by police, as a white person, is far lower than if he were black.

You're smarter than this.

 

[poates6]

This is the harden reality that many people don't want to believe is the pure reality that will be nearly impossible to ever overcome.

But but some "magical extra training" sessions will stop these things from happening.

It's only unthinkable until someone thinks it! Sure it's easier to stand outside the lines and throw your nevers, and impossibles around, but try and make a difference. It's worth it in the long run.

 

[iceheart08]

You're smarter than this.

What I typed was a factual statement based on objective facts, introduced ITT by someone trying to argue against me.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Just a note but I don't know much about or refer to the Guardian for my news, this article is relevant though:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...astile-shooting-marijuana-car-dashcam-footage

I'm sorry but that's such a reach and the biggest ******** he could've come up with. Once again, a lot on here will probably disagree but I don't think the cop comes up with that if Castile was white.

I agree that it's pretty weak sauce, I just thought it was funny to bring up marijuana in this context.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You have a link to that?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/...hootings.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

 

[blythewood tigers]

What I typed was a factual statement based on objective facts, introduced ITT by someone trying to argue against me.

Ice is spot on. Growing up in Arizona, then S.C., I got to experience a minority perspective from two different angles. The first, Mexican American (my best friend), and the latter African Americans, also friends.

Its a natural human trait if someone doesn't look like you, act like you, we are naturally "suspicious" until proven otherwise. This is true with any ethnicity group vs. another, not just white vs. everyone else. With the vast majority of police department staffed by Caucasian males, the natural outcome is very predictable from a purely psychological perspective.

Obviously, this should NEVER be the excuse for nonsense like this tragedy. Proper training MUST remove natural tendencies, it is no different than a persons natural reaction to get excited during high speed driving. Cops are not wrecking their cars all the time like a normal person would driving 100mph+, they are trained to remain calm and under control.

 

[SDTiger9]

It's only unthinkable until someone thinks it! Sure it's easier to stand outside the lines and throw your nevers, and impossibles around, but try and make a difference. It's worth it in the long run.

What lack of police training that is apparently so evident that many people claim? If it's so obvious and critical to the safety of the public, then what is this magical training that needs to be implemented?

I'm tired of people like yourself slinging out, "there's a solution for this".

Police have been police for a VERY long time. They train officers to do their job.

What's impossible to do is account for reflecting on a crazy bad movie, crazy cartoon, time in Iraq, police news report from 10 years ago, police news report from 10 days ago, race, chemical imbalance, low blood sugar, thinking about your wife, your kids, your life, your prejudice.

You got a training program for that?

You know Tony Gwynn failed about 67% of the time at the plate. What a complete loser. I'm sure there was some training he could have taken to make him a better hitter.

At some point, we are who we are. We will always evolve and do things to support progress and teach each other. But this **** will ALWAYS happen. That is a mathematical fact of life. Police killed innocent people before and they will do it again tomorrow. We will train people for all jobs but nothing will ever overcome all of the variables that makes us and society. As a country, we love weapon ownership. This type of **** will always be a negative side effect because of it.

Grow up about reality and having the ability to account for everything. If we could, Gwynn wouldn't fail 67% of the time. But we recognize his 33% achievement and call him brilliant.

Cops go on a gazillion calls with almost a gazillion going uneventful. We only see and hear about the ****** ones. That's mass/social media doing the talking. We had the same problems before.

If we want to make it better, quit talking about it so cops don't have to hear EVERYDAY and be paranoid about it that they are next. There's a value in being naive in some cases.

 

[FLaw47]

What lack of police training that is apparently so evident that many people claim? If it's so obvious and critical to the safety of the public, then what is this magical training that needs to be implemented?

I'm tired of people like yourself slinging out, "there's a solution for this".

Police have been police for a VERY long time. They train officers to do their job.

What's impossible to do is account for reflecting on a crazy bad movie, crazy cartoon, time in Iraq, police news report from 10 years ago, police news report from 10 days ago, race, chemical imbalance, low blood sugar, thinking about your wife, your kids, your life, your prejudice.

You got a training program for that?

You know Tony Gwynn failed about 67% of the time at the plate. What a complete loser. I'm sure there was some training he could have taken to make him a better hitter.

At some point, we are who we are. We will always evolve and do things to support progress and teach each other. But this **** will ALWAYS happen. That is a mathematical fact of life. Police killed innocent people before and they will do it again tomorrow. We will train people for all jobs but nothing will ever overcome all of the variables that makes us and society. As a country, we love weapon ownership. This type of **** will always be a negative side effect because of it.

Grow up about reality and having the ability to account for everything. If we could, Gwynn wouldn't fail 67% of the time. But we recognize his 33% achievement and call him brilliant.

Cops go on a gazillion calls with almost a gazillion going uneventful. We only see and hear about the ****** ones. That's mass/social media doing the talking. We had the same problems before.

If we want to make it better, quit talking about it so cops don't have to hear EVERYDAY and be paranoid about it that they are next. There's a value in being naive in some cases.

What are you advocating here? That we should just be ok with cops killing people? Maybe there's not a solution to the problem but the cops who kill innocent people should be in jail.

 

[SDTiger9]

What are you advocating here? That we should just be ok with cops killing people? Maybe there's not a solution to the problem but the cops who kill innocent people should be in jail.

What I am advocating? I'm advocating for sensibilities. There are garbage people from bank tellers, to cops, to executives. Every single one of them deserves to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for stealing, shooting, bribing.

I've been through extensive business ethics training every year yet someone is bribing someone every day. Another teller ripped off the bank today. Another cop will be responsible for doing the wrong thing.

We disproportionately evaluate and over correct in society especially with law enforcement and I have no dog in the fight.

Bottomline: there are shitastic people in every profession. I just cannot stand people zoning in on one group of people who answer the bell 99% of the time without incident but we go apeshit over another video. IMO, I don't think things have changed with cops in terms of these happenings but we just see them everytime because of cameras. And it's given the profession a bad rap. Just think if we monitored every business person....... there would be another million people in jail.