on the round table Shawn posted we offered Aleem Ford of IMG. He's a jersey kid who moved to Georgia. I believe his dad is from jersey. Played with SportsU this past spring and summer. He can shoot the 3, put the ball on the floor and is athletic. More of 2/3 at 6'8".
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just saw his highlight mix. Looks like a solid player who can help RU offensively from day 1. Would like RU to get this kid and Jax Levitch. Some tall guys who can shoot. Our short ones (Williams and Goode) haven't really worked out yet
I just watched a little of his highlight.....looks long with long arms and wingspan.
http://new.berecruited.com/athletes/2319293/game_film/100985141
http://new.berecruited.com/athletes/2319293/game_film/100985141
Per Twitter the kid got 3 new offers yesterday -- American ... Marist ... Rutgers.
Way to close the B1G talent gap. Awesome. Just awesome. Hobbs must be so proud of his hard-working employees.
Way to close the B1G talent gap. Awesome. Just awesome. Hobbs must be so proud of his hard-working employees.
78.......You do know that you are the same guy that laughed when the staff identified and got in early on recruiting and offering Issa Thiam ? He then comes to the US, plays some camps and blows up. In the end, I think Rutgers still gets him. Similar to how the staff hung in and got Freeman last year.
not sure how good this guy is....but, I take your criticism with a grain of salt.
I like what I've seen of Laurent, but Diallo is a long way from being a B1G player.
Explain to me what a RS year did for Diallo -- strength, hands, shooting, boxing out? Now, maybe he was a piece of wood in high school and the staff did wonders to get him to run up and down the court and hit 50% of his layups. But, in what I've seen, he looks completely overwhelmed by the pace of the game and simply lost on defense. Tough break that he got hurt when the minutes were available with Shaq out.
Despite everything, with the right coaching maybe he can be the next Hamady by the time he's a senior. Does that "big man" coaching exist on the current staff?
Despite everything, with the right coaching maybe he can be the next Hamady by the time he's a senior. Does that "big man" coaching exist on the current staff?
Over the years we have gotten quite a few good players who had very few offers. James Bailey as I recall was recruited by RU and Tufts and I think that was all. He wound up being the 6th pick in the NBA draft. John Battle had very few offers as well and he played about 10 years in the NBA. I wouldn't be criticizing any player we are recruiting. Roy Hinson was not heavily recruited either and he had quite an NBA career too. One year he averaged over 19 pts. a game before he suffered a major knee injury.
They may have earned your trust but the use of the collective us term in that response seems unjustified and I think you know that.
high profile recruits aren't as important as coaching IMO teams like George Washington and Monmouth don't have many big time recruits but are top 25 worthy and will be playing in March because they have a coach and a good system in place
But I hear you though..getting high profile players to come to RU would be nice but I'd be okay with getting those 2.5 star players who's coachable and knows how to play winning basketball
Ray Salnave was a 2.5 star recruit that chose Monmouth over RU this past offseason and people were saying he wasn't a BIG 10 player. Now we see that Monmouth is a great story of a mid major getting the most of their guys. Not a bad model to follow
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Diallo? A lower level d-1 player. This trusted staff is going to deliver a 6 or 7 win team
Ibrahima Diallo: 3.8ppg/3.7rpg
Hamady N'Diaye (Fr): 2.7ppg/2.9rpg
Adrien Payne (FR): 2.5ppg/2.4 rpg (1st Team All Big 10 as a Senior/Current NBA player)
Meyers Leonard (FR): 2.1ppg/1.2rpg (1st round NBA pick after Soph season)
Roy Hibbert (Fr): 5.1ppg/3.5rpg
Not comparing Diallo to any of the above, but the mere concept that someone would be drawing conclusions on a Freshman big man is absurd. I remember hearing the EXACT same stuff about Hamady after his Frosh year. Kadeem Jack averaged under 2 points per game as a Frosh. Do people follow this sport?
Hamady N'Diaye (Fr): 2.7ppg/2.9rpg
Adrien Payne (FR): 2.5ppg/2.4 rpg (1st Team All Big 10 as a Senior/Current NBA player)
Meyers Leonard (FR): 2.1ppg/1.2rpg (1st round NBA pick after Soph season)
Roy Hibbert (Fr): 5.1ppg/3.5rpg
Not comparing Diallo to any of the above, but the mere concept that someone would be drawing conclusions on a Freshman big man is absurd. I remember hearing the EXACT same stuff about Hamady after his Frosh year. Kadeem Jack averaged under 2 points per game as a Frosh. Do people follow this sport?
Thanks. You beat me to it. Some people are very harsh on the young players, especially big men. They take time to really develop. As for his hands, are they great? No, but at the same time, many of the feed passes are terrible and therefore make his hands look worse.
Very similar to the way I used to view my putting. Putting was always the worse part of my golf game. But you know what... when my chipping got better and instead of trying to make 20 foot putts all the time, I was trying to make 8 footers, my putting got a lot better.
I'm not saying Diallo is going to turn into the next Tim Duncan, but I'm not saying he is Brian Okam either. Patience.
Bailey came to RU in 1976, Battle in what, 1981? Hinson in 1979. "Over the years" translates into over 34 years since Battle arrived. Please don't use these examples in 2015/2016. In the modern recruiting world, no way Jammin James would have had no offers. Battle did not start as a senior in high school on a talented team, but would have been seen in summer play and rec'd offers. By the way, I loved watching all 3 of those guys play for RU.
You have to remember....78 is the same guy that said Mike Williams should be much more developed as a true sophomore that has played 1 year and 10 games. I am beginning to think that he is not too bright....lol... at the very least he lacks any kind of real knowledge of the game.
Anyone who follows the sport should know that late Soph or Junior year is when all things normally come together for most players.....unless you are a top 50 player. Off course there are some exceptions.
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Yeah, I bet Payne and Hibbert wish that they had the chance to "develop" with this staff instead of those hacks on the Michigan State and Georgetown bench. Someone may also want to check how many minutes a game those kids were playing as frosh because their teams actually had ... talent ... ahead of them. Payne's mpg by year -- 9 ... 18 ... 25 ... 28. So, Diallo was averaging 15.6 minutes a game.
Stats at major programs are irrelevant to Rutgers. How about Michael Carter-Williams' stats as a frosh at Cuse? The kid barely saw the floor. Uh, he had two draft picks ahead of him. He plays as a soph ... then NBA ... ROY for the 76ers. Check out Grayson Allen's stats at Duke for his frosh regular season -- little to nothing most nights. Again, few minutes because he had Quinn Cook and Tyus Jones in front of him. Who's Williams got in front of him? Bishop Daniels? Ouch.
Do kids develop in other programs? You bet. How's that worked out at RU? Does anyone really believe that EJ, Shoes, Van and Dalip can coach up the kids that they've recruited? What's the evidence? The kids deserve better.
And Chop -- go back and check some of the kids that have abused #5. They haven't all been 5th year seniors or 4-star recruits. Sometimes I feel like Rutgers fans think that every opponent is 25 years old, No, they use frosh too. It's just not always obvious because their kids play with poise and purpose and are much more fundamentally sound. Oh wait, that sounds like coaching.
Stats at major programs are irrelevant to Rutgers. How about Michael Carter-Williams' stats as a frosh at Cuse? The kid barely saw the floor. Uh, he had two draft picks ahead of him. He plays as a soph ... then NBA ... ROY for the 76ers. Check out Grayson Allen's stats at Duke for his frosh regular season -- little to nothing most nights. Again, few minutes because he had Quinn Cook and Tyus Jones in front of him. Who's Williams got in front of him? Bishop Daniels? Ouch.
Do kids develop in other programs? You bet. How's that worked out at RU? Does anyone really believe that EJ, Shoes, Van and Dalip can coach up the kids that they've recruited? What's the evidence? The kids deserve better.
And Chop -- go back and check some of the kids that have abused #5. They haven't all been 5th year seniors or 4-star recruits. Sometimes I feel like Rutgers fans think that every opponent is 25 years old, No, they use frosh too. It's just not always obvious because their kids play with poise and purpose and are much more fundamentally sound. Oh wait, that sounds like coaching.
Please recruit players who can dribble, pass, catch passes, shoot (especially three's), and finish drives to the basket where they are getting banged. If they can make second half free throws when the game is on-the-line, all the better.
diallo puts up those numbers because he plays. Given the minutes he plays they aren't noteworthy. His getting those minutes are almost purely a function of RU not having depth.
We must be very careful looking at raw numbers when comparing 2 players at different programs. In many cases it is apples to oranges. Sanders is a 6th man at many B1G schools, but drives the bus at RU.
We have a lot of negatives in recruiting, but being able to offer minutes on Day 1 is a positive.
We must be very careful looking at raw numbers when comparing 2 players at different programs. In many cases it is apples to oranges. Sanders is a 6th man at many B1G schools, but drives the bus at RU.
We have a lot of negatives in recruiting, but being able to offer minutes on Day 1 is a positive.
I think you answered your own question....Michael Carter Williams (No. 29 recruit) was a top 10 NBA pick, Grayson Allen (No. 28 recruit), has off the charts athleticism and may be a future 1st round pick. That's talent. Maybe I am reading you wrong ( I hope I am)...but, are you comparing the development of M. Carter Williams and Grayson Allen to Mike Williams ?? What's next....compare Diallo's first year development to Kentucky's Anthony Davis a few years ago.....lol
We were discussing the development time for non-top 50 -100 recruits.....it's NOT 1 year, 2-3 full years is probably the norm.
let's discuss it.....who was abused # 5 ? You are so wrong ( clueless) , he is a very good on ball defender.
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Ive seen Earl Johnson, Rob Hodgson, Jamal Phillips, Eric Clark, Geoff Billet, Quincy Douby, Rashod Kent, Jeff Greer, JR Inman, Anthony Farmer, Bailey all come in and provide major contributions right away as frosh and sophs. Much like the current guys they were forced into those roles by poor depth....but they we were getting more out of them than we are this current crop. The fact is there has been plenty of minutes to offer for guys to step up and show something. With Freeman out the only one showing anything of note is Sanders
Bac, correct. Maybe one or two of the others will develop into a productive player. Which, of course, leaves RU where it has always been in the last 20 years.
Taking all the canned, always-ready-to-fire optimism out of this, and stepping back objectively, the offer to this new recruit seems to be fairly consistent what we've been seeing.
Taking all the canned, always-ready-to-fire optimism out of this, and stepping back objectively, the offer to this new recruit seems to be fairly consistent what we've been seeing.
I agree.You can't compare the recruiting process then vs. now. I highly doubt that any one of those three would be under the radar today with the AAU exposure, video/You Tube, social media, camps, etc. It still took skill to spot the talent back then, but I bet it was a whole lot easier to keep the talent in the fold. I look at Waters as an example. How early did he get in on Noah and Boone? They held out for better offers and look what happened.