New NCAA transfer rules coming down the pipes...

[esplanade91]

[FONT=&quot]I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out. - Matt Schick, ESPN[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

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[mstateglfr]

Probably get hammered for this- but good to hear.

If the NCAA actually gives a 17 about empowering student athletes, they will let players move from school to school without penalty.

- Coaches can move from school to school without penalty(the buyouts arent an inhibitor) and players should have the same freedom of movement since scholarships are only for year to year.
- Schools can decide to drop a player from scholarship then make them sit out a year at the transfer school which is BS.
- Players who redshirt as a freshman and then transfer due to pressure to free up a roster spot lose 25% of their college career because of a coach's decision which is BS.
- General students who transfer from college to college arent forced to sit out a year or pay their own way or anything like that. Yes, i get that athletics and education are different...but should they be? This is COLLEGE athletics. Without the academics, there is no athletics.

 

[GloryDawg]

Probably get hammered for this- but good to hear.

If the NCAA actually gives a 17 about empowering student athletes, they will let players move from school to school without penalty.

- Coaches can move from school to school without penalty(the buyouts arent an inhibitor) and players should have the same freedom of movement since scholarships are only for year to year.
- Schools can decide to drop a player from scholarship then make them sit out a year at the transfer school which is BS.
- Players who redshirt as a freshman and then transfer due to pressure to free up a roster spot lose 25% of their college career because of a coach's decision which is BS.
- General students who transfer from college to college arent forced to sit out a year or pay their own way or anything like that. Yes, i get that athletics and education are different...but should they be? This is COLLEGE athletics. Without the academics, there is no athletics.

It will make coaches keep their words when they tell recruit what they want to hear to sign. Remember the QB who we wanted but Shula told him he would play QB at Bama but only played one play at QB? They used him as a running back.

I think they should be able to transfer. We will end eventually end up with guys who we lose in recruiting wars when they learn that they are riding the bench at Bama for three years when they could be on the field the 1st year at State.

 

[MrKotter]

The meeting for this has been pushed back to 2019.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Scholarship athletes are provided free tuition, room & board, top-notch medical, free, 1st-rate tutoring, fantastic meal plan, etc. Comparing them to general students is not apples-to-apples.

You damn sure don't want most schools becoming farm-teams for the elite blue-bloods. Those teams already have a huge advantage. Can you imagine Saban being able to cherry pick the rosters of other teams, going for the proven players...the cream-of-the-crop, with a promise of more national exposure, better shot at NC's, etc?

If they do actually allow unobstructed, free transfer, I suspect you'll end up with an even more top-heavy D1. Sure, some really good players not getting PT at elite schools could transfer and contribute immediately at non-elite programs, but I think you'd find the elite programs realizing even more talent separation, making it even less likely anyone other than a blue-blood will ever compete for NC's. I believe they would load up with proven stars from other teams.

That said, if they do allow that, I hope they will at least make a provision that allows programs to offer greater-than-1-year scholarships that bind the athlete to the school for the same number of years.

 

[patdog]

Not crazy about the rule, but do agree the transfer rules needed to be revised. One good thing this does is take away the ability of the school you're transferring from to limit where you go (and/or where you can get a scholarship the first year). I'd keep the 1-year sit out rule, but make it not count towards your 5 to play 4 (ie, you get a free redshirt). If they do away with the 1-year sit out rule, they need to make it a 1-time deal where you cant transfer from School A to School B and then to School C all without ever sitting out.

 

[Dawgzilla]

To your last point, there is a difference between academics and athletics. The NCAA doesn't prevent any student from transferring to any school they want, nor do they require anyone to sit out a year of school. They do, however, place limits on player eligibility to protect competition in their amateur sports league.

To the larger point, I don't like open transfers. No, it's not totally fair to the athletes, but it is preferable to allowing schools to retool their rosters every year. You feel bad for the player who is riding the bench at his fist school, but what about the player who rides the bench for a couple years, waiting to start, only to have a more senior player transfer in ahead of him? Or the 2 star player you coach up to be a starter, who then transfers to a conference rival?

I suppose, as long as they don't allow coaches to recruit players at other schools it could work, but I think it's dangerous.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

The recruiting guidelines would have to be tailored some way to keep the Sabans of the world from cherry picking all across the country. Imagine a state-type school comes into a rebuilding year but has a great QB.. .next thing you know they've left for Ohio State because they want to compete for a natty.

 

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Probably get hammered for this- but good to hear.

If the NCAA actually gives a 17 about empowering student athletes, they will let players move from school to school without penalty.

- Coaches can move from school to school without penalty(the buyouts arent an inhibitor) and players should have the same freedom of movement since scholarships are only for year to year.
- Schools can decide to drop a player from scholarship then make them sit out a year at the transfer school which is BS.
- Players who redshirt as a freshman and then transfer due to pressure to free up a roster spot lose 25% of their college career because of a coach's decision which is BS.
- General students who transfer from college to college arent forced to sit out a year or pay their own way or anything like that. Yes, i get that athletics and education are different...but should they be? This is COLLEGE athletics. Without the academics, there is no athletics.

There was a discussion similar to this on ED. I liked someone's idea of having to have played under a mimimum amount of snaps on the season to be able to transfer without sitting out a year. That would stop starters and 2nd string guys from leaving but would let people that aren't getting the chance to play move on without punishment

 

[Go Budaw]

So recruiting would never stop. Fantastic. Recruit the hell out of a player to commit, recruit the hell out of the same player again to sign, then recruit the same player AGAIN for 4 years to keep him from leaving. All the while, other schools are recruiting him to transfer to their school the entire time, if he’s any good (legal or not, it will happen 1000x more than now when you remove the 1 year restriction, and everyone knows it).

This will literally destroy college sports as we know it. The Bama football / UK basketball type programs of the world will process twice as many players as they do already and replace with guys on existing D1 rosters like it’s an all you can eat buffet. It’s just ridiculous that this is even being considered.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

I'm Agin it!

I'll wait to see what the rules actually say, but this is going to be very bad for the game.

Crap... basketball is already in the tank...

 

[ckDOG]

Question

- General students who transfer from college to college arent forced to sit out a year or pay their own way or anything like that. Yes, i get that athletics and education are different...but should they be? This is COLLEGE athletics. Without the academics, there is no athletics.

Do general students transfer students move to other schools where they also have a full ride and plethora of benefits awaiting them? I never really thought about it. Sure it happens but must be a rare thing? Kinda thought the whole full ride academic scholarship arrangement was accept it, make the grades, keep it. Anything out of that process then you are likely out of luck when it comes to free education at a current or possible transfer schools. If you want to transfer, then you are probably going to be on the hook for tuition and board.

If that’s a fair statement, then I see these two worlds being completely different and not really fair to compare athletes (who have the luxury of easily shopping for a second date) vs general (who likely don’t have that).

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Utopian social studies. College needs to be dropped from the ever popular label.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I have no problem with a one time no penalty transfer after sophomore year....but it doesn't need to turn into transfer recruit-a-palooza either.

 

[Tall Dawg]

I'll wait to see what the rules actually say, but this is going to be very bad for the game.

Crap... basketball is already in the tank...

This is a REALLY BAD potential new rule.
Can u image teams trying to poach players from
schools every year? We just think recruiting
is dirty now, just wait for this BS to pass and see
what happens.

 

[WilCoDawg]

But aren’t there restrictions by schools on being eligible for a diploma? IE a student can’t just transfer in, take a couple of classes and then get a diploma from said school after only taking a couple hours at that school? Or am I imagining that is a thing?

 

[Shmuley]

This gives a whole new meaning to "Merry Flipmas."

 

[maroonmania]

One of the worst ideas I've ever heard of. Essentially recruiting of players will never stop because EVERY college player essentially becomes a free agent every year. The current transfer problem that's helping to kill NCAA basketball will just be the tip of the iceberg.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

So instead of recruiting a player in high school... you would now possibly have to recruit them 4-5 years after you sign them just to remain with you.

Lets take a hypothetical. Say a random school.. let’s call it crooked letter crooked letter humpback state university recruits a player no one else will give a shot at qb. Let’s call him Zac Testcott. By his jr year, he has shown huge promise as a qb. Now. Another school needs a qb in his home state.

So one school takes a chance on the player and another school secretly recruits him in the off-season after the risk pays off. The school that took the chance gets left holding the bag without a qb while another school gets a sure bet with 2 years of eligibility.

This is is definitely not a good thing for MSU or any of the schools like us or down the line. It could actually encourage cheating too. Need a player to stay when he is being recruited away from you? Well.. how much “help” does he need in deciding to stick around. Conversely, how much “help” do you need to move to this school or that school?

This is would not be a good thing for MSU or any other university like it.

and imagine if a coach does leave. He could pull your best skill players to his new school if he needs them.

 

[RocketDawg]

The recruiting guidelines would have to be tailored some way to keep the Sabans of the world from cherry picking all across the country. Imagine a state-type school comes into a rebuilding year but has a great QB.. .next thing you know they've left for Ohio State because they want to compete for a natty.

Perhaps it could only be for players who don't get a certain amount of playing time (not counting a red shirt year or injuries). The percentage could increase as school year increased. That way somebody who sits on the bench for Alabama could come to MSU and be playing, and a player at MSU who doesn't get to play much could transfer to a lesser school, like OM** and get more playing time. Just a thought.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

If passed, they should call it the Willie Taggart rule.

 

[MedDawg]

But aren’t there restrictions by schools on being eligible for a diploma? IE a student can’t just transfer in, take a couple of classes and then get a diploma from said school after only taking a couple hours at that school? Or am I imagining that is a thing?

At least a couple of the football players who transferred without restrictions out of Penn State after the 2011 scandal transferred the hours from their new schools (U of Texas and Oklahoma State) back to Penn State and graduated from Penn State. I don't know if that's an option for most schools or if it's rare.

 

[Dawgbite]

Can you imagine what this will do to Ole Missus Heppin budget?

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Can you imagine what this will do to Ole Missus Heppin budget?

Mr. Network ...What is this line item entry for "Sugar Babies"?

 

[shotgunDawg]

So instead of recruiting a player in high school... you would now possibly have to recruit them 4-5 years after you sign them just to remain with you.

Lets take a hypothetical. Say a random school.. let’s call it crooked letter crooked letter humpback state university recruits a player no one else will give a shot at qb. Let’s call him Zac Testcott. By his jr year, he has shown huge promise as a qb. Now. Another school needs a qb in his home state.

So one school takes a chance on the player and another school secretly recruits him in the off-season after the risk pays off. The school that took the chance gets left holding the bag without a qb while another school gets a sure bet with 2 years of eligibility.

This is is definitely not a good thing for MSU or any of the schools like us or down the line. It could actually encourage cheating too. Need a player to stay when he is being recruited away from you? Well.. how much “help” does he need in deciding to stick around. Conversely, how much “help” do you need to move to this school or that school?

This is would not be a good thing for MSU or any other university like it.

and imagine if a coach does leave. He could pull your best skill players to his new school if he needs them.

Agree. That's why you create the 35% snap rule.

If a player plays >35% or 20% of the snaps his 3rd year on campus (Reshirt sophomores & JRs) then he cannot transfer without sitting out a year.

If a player plays < 35% or 20% of the snaps his 3rd year on campus, then he is eligible to transfer.

Easy peasy. Players that don't play get to improve their situation without penalty, but players that do play can't just up & transfer.

 

[RocketDawg]

Yes. Maybe not those exact percentages, but the idea is OK.

 

[blacklistedbully]

This is what RocketDawg posted earlier...just with an exact % added. I think 35% is too low. If you've got a kid playing 34% of the snaps, he is a significant contributor, particularly if he is an underclassman.

And I guess we'd have to create a system for monitoring every athlete's playing time. How about special teams? You gonna make an exception for them? You could lose your entire ST this way, except for those that play enough non-ST.

Look at KT. I bet if not for Fitz getting mugged by OM, KT would have played fewer than 20% of the snaps, thus making him eligible to leave. And you can bet your *** Dastardly Dan would be all over him, not to mention Saban, Urban, Harbaugh, Malzahn, etc, etc.

 

[shotgunDawg]

This is what RocketDawg posted earlier...just with an exact % added. I think 35% is too low. If you've got a kid playing 34% of the snaps, he is a significant contributor, particularly if he is an underclassman.

And I guess we'd have to create a system for monitoring every athlete's playing time. How about special teams? You gonna make an exception for them? You could lose your entire ST this way, except for those that play enough non-ST.

Look at KT. I bet if not for Fitz getting mugged by OM, KT would have played fewer than 20% of the snaps, thus making him eligible to leave. And you can bet your *** Dastardly Dan would be all over him, not to mention Saban, Urban, Harbaugh, Malzahn, etc, etc.

You didn’t read the idea.

Nobody would be eligible to transfer without sitting out till after their 3rd year on campus thus after a JR’s year or for most guys that don’t play, after their RS Sophomore year. Thus KT would not have been eligible due to only being a true FR.

You can set the percentage at whatever. 15% of total team snaps including special teams or whatever. The percentage would be negotiable but the point would remain the same. Players that aren’t significant contributers can transfer without penalty.

Teams would be in charge and held accountable for keeping their own records on percentage of snaps played. Being found guilty of fudging the percentages would result in you not being able recieve any immediately eligible transfers for that year. Plus other schools have access to your game tape and can hold you accountable.

I amazed at how ignorant people get on this topic and their lack effort to try and figure out what clearly is an issue in college athletics.

 

[blacklistedbully]

I absolutely did read, "the idea". WalkTheDawg was responding to the OP and the initial response by mstateglfr. WTD simply used the junior as an example. mstateglfr literally talked of redshirt freshmen being allowed to transfer without sitting.

Since you were replying to that thread, it is entirely logical to presume you, too, were using the example of a junior (or 3rd year player). Nothing in your first post indicated you were advocating specifically excluding those underclassmen.

It seems to me fairly arrogant on your part to label, "ignorant" those who perhaps don't share your opinion on the subject. It also seems presumptive that you would assume their, "lack of effort". Perhaps they have put as much or more effort as have you, yet arrived at a different opinion.

 

[maroonmania]

Yes. Maybe not those exact percentages, but the idea is OK.

Agree that the only way a guy should be allowed to transfer without sitting is because he's not getting any meaningful playing time at his current school. If starters can transfer without sitting then basically every player in college is a new recruit (free agent) EVERY year. That is insane and should not be allowed.