New Dave Chappelle comedy special

[Mntneer]

I think if anyone pays attention to comedy, and I do, very closely, you’ve seen it becoming more and more bland and you see it across all aspects of the genre, late night, club circuit, SNL, Movies, etc. People are not taking the risks and pushing the boundaries they once did.

Comedy in its purest form should have half the audience laughing and the other cringing/pearl clutching. Comedy is about disarming extremely powerful topics like pedophilia, molestation, rape, racism, etc. through humor.

Maybe you like more of the Gaffigan and Regan stuff, which is fine. I like the edgy stuff like Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor. I like boundaries pushed and uncomfortableness. I think Chappelle accomplished that in this one and it’s the first one I’ve seen in about a decade that has.

Comedians themselves have all been saying that they are feeling more pressure to reign in with their comedy.

It's apparent from the critic reaction to Chapelle versus the fan reaction, that there is a growing divide between what the PC culture expects and what people want.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Comedians themselves have all been saying that they are feeling more pressure to reign in with their comedy.

It's apparent from the critic reaction to Chapelle versus the fan reaction, that there is a growing divide between what the PC culture expects and what people want.

He has 9 "critics" reviews right now. I don't think we need to leap to giant conclusions. Even the NRO critic gave this a negative review.

 

[smooter]

He has 9 "critics" reviews right now. I don't think we need to leap to giant conclusions. Even the NRO critic gave this a negative review.

Usually by now there are more reviews by critics on something like this...I think there are more than several that aren't touching it.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He has 9 "critics" reviews right now. I don't think we need to leap to giant conclusions. Even the NRO critic gave this a negative review.

Maybe google the reviews from traditional liberal media outlets.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Usually by now there are more reviews by critics on something like this...I think there are more than several that aren't touching it.

For comedy specials? Over Labor Day? Maybe. We'll see.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Maybe google the reviews from traditional liberal media outlets.

............no. It's clear you people think the PC wars are different this time. Best of luck to you all.

 

[smooter]

For comedy specials? Over Labor Day? Maybe. We'll see.

There will eventually be more as always, but it's definitely unusual.

 

[smooter]

Maybe google the reviews from traditional liberal media outlets.

Most will scream it's praises because they can't afford not to. It's legitimately good. It's the same as the Joker movie. People who have screened it are loving it, but Vox, etc are saying it's "problematic"

 

[WVUCOOPER]

There will eventually be more as always, but it's definitely unusual.

Legit didn't even know I was supposed to pay that much attention to critics anyway. Honestly? I still probably won't.

 

[smooter]

Legit didn't even know I was supposed to pay that much attention to critics anyway. Honestly? I still probably won't.

Totally agree with that

 

[WVUCOOPER]

People who have screened it are loving it, but Vox, etc are saying it's "problematic"

Don't listen to Vox if you don't want to. Problem solved

 

[mule_eer]

I think if anyone pays attention to comedy, and I do, very closely, you’ve seen it becoming more and more bland and you see it across all aspects of the genre, late night, club circuit, SNL, Movies, etc. People are not taking the risks and pushing the boundaries they once did.

Comedy in its purest form should have half the audience laughing and the other cringing/pearl clutching. Comedy is about disarming extremely powerful topics like pedophilia, molestation, rape, racism, etc. through humor.

Maybe you like more of the Gaffigan and Regan stuff, which is fine. I like the edgy stuff like Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor. I like boundaries pushed and uncomfortableness. I think Chappelle accomplished that in this one and it’s the first one I’ve seen in about a decade that has.

I haven't weighed in basically because I haven't seen the new Chappelle special yet. He's always pushed the envelope. That's his thing, and it was pretty clear from skit #1 of his Comedy Central show. He's good at that. And comedy that pushes the boundaries is good if the comedian knows how to pull it off. Patrice Oneal was a genius with that. Bill Burr is great at it. They have the delivery down on that.

I think it's funny that you dismiss other comedians who are less edgy. I saw an interview with Gaffigan a while ago, and he was talking about why he went the clean route. He said that he tried other stuff, and he couldn't make it work. I think he's pretty funny, and he's more about self-deprecation. He makes it work. Bill Burr couldn't do what he does, same as Gaffigan can't do what Burr does.

I've heard some stuff about comedians not doing college campuses anymore. That's where I've heard the PC police are over the top. As far as clubs and other stuff, I think the edginess is still there for the folks who walk that line. I'll agree that SNL hasn't been funny for a long time. When I've watched it, it's almost like they don't know how to finish a joke - it's enough for them to have a funny premise with no punchline. But you also have guys like Trey Parker and Matt Stone who will make a joke about anything or anyone, and they've had a ridiculous amount of success with that formula.

 

[Mntneer]

I haven't weighed in basically because I haven't seen the new Chappelle special yet. He's always pushed the envelope. That's his thing, and it was pretty clear from skit #1 of his Comedy Central show. He's good at that. And comedy that pushes the boundaries is good if the comedian knows how to pull it off. Patrice Oneal was a genius with that. Bill Burr is great at it. They have the delivery down on that.

I think it's funny that you dismiss other comedians who are less edgy. I saw an interview with Gaffigan a while ago, and he was talking about why he went the clean route. He said that he tried other stuff, and he couldn't make it work. I think he's pretty funny, and he's more about self-deprecation. He makes it work. Bill Burr couldn't do what he does, same as Gaffigan can't do what Burr does.

I've heard some stuff about comedians not doing college campuses anymore. That's where I've heard the PC police are over the top. As far as clubs and other stuff, I think the edginess is still there for the folks who walk that line. I'll agree that SNL hasn't been funny for a long time. When I've watched it, it's almost like they don't know how to finish a joke - it's enough for them to have a funny premise with no punchline. But you also have guys like Trey Parker and Matt Stone who will make a joke about anything or anyone, and they've had a ridiculous amount of success with that formula.

I like Gaffigan myself. Also like Burr.

I think what we're also seeing is a set of comedians, mainly those on TV, who think that being edgy means you take a "me too" approach and just bash on Trump and call it a day. As opposed to taking a Chappelle route and really examining some of these topics, like Jessie Smoulet.

 

[mule_eer]

I like Gaffigan myself. Also like Burr.

I think what we're also seeing is a set of comedians, mainly those on TV, who think that being edgy means you take a "me too" approach and just bash on Trump and call it a day. As opposed to taking a Chappelle route and really examining some of these topics, like Jessie Smoulet.

Oh I think a lot of the comedians who are trying to be edgy miss the mark, and many do so like you describe. I think SNL tries to do some political stuff to be edgy, but I think they are missing the mark on being funny in general. They can't finish a joke, edgy or not. As far as other TV comedy, I really don't watch much. I get my kicks from stuff I look up on youtube or sometimes listen to SiriusXM comedy stations. Burr is a genius as far as I'm concerned. Patrice Oneal was a genius, and was Greg Geraldo. Those guys are edgy and know how to pull it off. Same goes for Chappelle.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

haven't weighed in basically because I haven't seen the new Chappelle special yet. He's always pushed the envelope. That's his thing, and it was pretty clear from skit #1 of his Comedy Central show. He's good at that. And comedy that pushes the boundaries is good if the comedian knows how to pull it off. Patrice Oneal was a genius with that. Bill Burr is great at it. They have the delivery down on that.

I’ve said my position on this is that it’s the most important in about a decade. Recall, Chappelle Show was over 15 years ago. We’re getting old.

Patrice was my motherfvcker. Loved that dude. He’s been dead about 7 years at this point I think. His comedy, rather, just his riffing while a guest on Opie and Anthony was some of the best stuff I’ve ever heard. Ditto with Billy Burr and Louis CK.

think it's funny that you dismiss other comedians who are less edgy. I saw an interview with Gaffigan a while ago, and he was talking about why he went the clean route. He said that he tried other stuff, and he couldn't make it work. I think he's pretty funny, and he's more about self-deprecation. He makes it work. Bill Burr couldn't do what he does, same as Gaffigan can't do what Burr does.

He’s very talented, just not my schtick. Not dismissing him at all. He’s just not pushing the boundaries of comedy. He’s a master of his craft but not a trail blazer. Make sense?

I've heard some stuff about comedians not doing college campuses anymore. That's where I've heard the PC police are over the top. As far as clubs and other stuff, I think the edginess is still there for the folks who walk that line. I'll agree that SNL hasn't been funny for a long time. When I've watched it, it's almost like they don't know how to finish a joke - it's enough for them to have a funny premise with no punchline. But you also have guys like Trey Parker and Matt Stone who will make a joke about anything or anyone, and they've had a ridiculous amount of success with that formula.

The Southpark guys are notorious for their stuff. The Book of Mormon was so good because it pushed an envelope.

I couldn’t tell if you were disagreeing with me or not, but I agree with pretty much everything you said.

 

[mule_eer]

I’ve said my position on this is that it’s the most important in about a decade. Recall, Chappelle Show was over 15 years ago. We’re getting old.

Patrice was my motherfvcker. Loved that dude. He’s been dead about 7 years at this point I think. His comedy, rather, just his riffing while a guest on Opie and Anthony was some of the best stuff I’ve ever heard. Ditto with Billy Burr and Louis CK.


He’s very talented, just not my schtick. Not dismissing him at all. He’s just not pushing the boundaries of comedy. He’s a master of his craft but not a trail blazer. Make sense?

The Southpark guys are notorious for their stuff. The Book of Mormon was so good because it pushed an envelope.

I couldn’t tell if you were disagreeing with me or not, but I agree with pretty much everything you said.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you in general. I thought you were being dismissive of Gaffigan (fine with you being dismissive of Regan). It looks like I mistook your point on that.