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Like I have said numerous times.
Have you watched a WV practice?
Neither have I.
Usually I can tell a lot about someone by their vehicle or house.
As much time and energy Dana Holgersen put into his house.
Makes me think he does the same for his football team.
He wanted the best of the best for everything.
Probably the reason why he didn't think WV high school players were good enough
The English language has 100x the adjectives as the Swedish language.
The English Language has 100x less adjectives than the Romantic languages.
A lot of the Nordic culture has stuck with the people who moved to places like Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin.
You look at his house.
I doubt Dana treated his college football team any different.
The guy was inventive and a risk taker.
Can be a plus as well as a minus.
But I highly doubt the guy was disorganized.
Dana is the type of person who is straight to the point.
The English Language has 100x less adjectives than the Romantic languages.
A lot of the Nordic culture has stuck with the people who moved to places like Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin.
You look at his house.
I doubt Dana treated his college football team any different.
The guy was inventive and a risk taker.
Can be a plus as well as a minus.
But I highly doubt the guy was disorganized.
Dana is the type of person who is straight to the point.
Dana doesn’t put in the time. That is evident by numerous accounts of those directly in the know. I don’t care what he did with his house. I have seen many well dressed, well put together beautiful ladies that lived like slobs. One doesn’t equate to the other. People prioritize everything and some of their priorities are way down the list. Other things are high on the list and taken at face value, can lead one to believe someone has it figured out when in actuality it just means they put effort into what they care about.
I hope he does great at Houston and I believe 10 wins a year will be the norm for him. But he is not a slave to the grind.
How do you know what Dana does?
I think Dana's problem is that he lives and dies off the big play.
At West Virginia he had to be aggressive with his play calling. No one talks about the risk that work.
Most of the time your pluses are minuses as well.
I have said numerous times I think the West Virginia fanbase would be happier to be in UCF's position.
Put Dana in the American with West Virginia and they would have won 11+ games a year and played in multiple NYD bowl games.
But their ceiling is limited.
With the Big 12 their ceiling is CFP and NC. Problem is that it takes time to reach that level.
I saw West Virginia gradually get better while in the Big 12.
They may have been 8-3 last year. But the 2018 team was their best all around team since they joined the conference.
It is peak and valleys. Thing is your peaks will be higher and your valleys higher as you go on.
That is what I saw from Dana Holgersen at West Virginia.
Nobody is saying Holgorsen is a failure. We have heard it for years here from credible sources. Dana has things he wants to do and things he doesn’t want to do. I have not referenced his play calling as far as risks or not, so why you bring that up I don’t know. You question what anyone here says about Dana as if we are incapable of looking at things and making educated observations but you are the enlightened one here to educate us, I guess. I don’t try to pass myself off as an expert and I don’t claim to be a mythical big donor/booster. However I did graduate from the school and I do have a few ties there and I have been following WVU religiously since the 80’s, so I think I am capable of deciding what is good information versus rumor and conjecture.
I don’t care if you like my posts or agree with them. You don’t owe me any approval and I don’t owe anything to you. I know from several sources over the years what has been reported about Dana. He has priorities and spending 16 hours a day at the stadium is not one of them.
Dana went to Houston because he was likely to get fired at WVU after this season and he felt the pressure to win at Houston was less. He is getting paid well and the biggest donor there is his buddy. I am happy for him. But he was not a savior to WVU football and he didn’t kill himself at work. It is what it is. Agree or disagree, we didn’t start playing football when Dana showed up.
16 hours or 8 hours...
At the end of the day what matters is your value.
Someone can spend 24 hours a day doing what I can in 15-30 minutes.
Because of my expertise in the refinery business it doesn't matter how much time someone spends they can never provide the value that I can with my time unless they have my capabilities.
Not taking anything away from Neal Brown but Brown was fired as a Big 12 Offensive Coordinator while Dana Holgersen used his time as a Big 12 OC to get a Head Coaching job.
But at the end of the day.
All WV knows in the Big 12 is Dana.
Who knows where WV would have been in the 80's and 90's in the Big 12.
At the very least Neal Brown will provide the fanbase with an idea of where they are at as a program.
Even Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas have had losing seasons in this conference.
It can happen to anyone.
At the end of the day what matters is your value.
Someone can spend 24 hours a day doing what I can in 15-30 minutes.
Because of my expertise in the refinery business it doesn't matter how much time someone spends they can never provide the value that I can with my time unless they have my capabilities.
Not taking anything away from Neal Brown but Brown was fired as a Big 12 Offensive Coordinator while Dana Holgersen used his time as a Big 12 OC to get a Head Coaching job.
But at the end of the day.
All WV knows in the Big 12 is Dana.
Who knows where WV would have been in the 80's and 90's in the Big 12.
At the very least Neal Brown will provide the fanbase with an idea of where they are at as a program.
Even Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas have had losing seasons in this conference.
It can happen to anyone.
"Holgorsen is back with his people—not just the H-Town Mafia but everyone else"
Holgs is getting the attention in Houston that he didn't get in Morgantown. Exposure in Houston is much different than in Morgantown.
First week in Houston and he's anointed into the H-Town Mafia....... WTF is the H-Town Mafia?
Holgs is getting the attention in Houston that he didn't get in Morgantown. Exposure in Houston is much different than in Morgantown.
First week in Houston and he's anointed into the H-Town Mafia....... WTF is the H-Town Mafia?
It started at the high school level.
With parents and boosters at different high schools started calling themselves for example Lake Travis mafia.
Guess Houston took up the name for their city including college and professional sports.
With parents and boosters at different high schools started calling themselves for example Lake Travis mafia.
Guess Houston took up the name for their city including college and professional sports.
I think the illusion of Dana might not last long.
Historically Houston has been the best at maximizing its talent.
But their first big run ended with loss of scholarships, TV ban and bowl ban in the late 1980's.
If you look at the American a lot of these schools have a lot in common in terms of local talent.
Dana thinking that he can roll pass everyone in the American is a bit premature.
Especially if Sonny Dykes ends up getting Preston Stone.
As of right now SMU is a major player in Stone's recruitment.
Preston Stone being the #1 2021 QB who is often called Johnny Manziel without the issues.
It will be interesting to see how things work out.
I still like Memphis or SMU in the West next year.
Think Tulane will be vastly improved. Willie Fritz is getting close to getting the ball rolling there.
This is not even mentioning the East with UCF.
Plus what is happening with Cincinnati.
Historically Houston has been the best at maximizing its talent.
But their first big run ended with loss of scholarships, TV ban and bowl ban in the late 1980's.
If you look at the American a lot of these schools have a lot in common in terms of local talent.
Dana thinking that he can roll pass everyone in the American is a bit premature.
Especially if Sonny Dykes ends up getting Preston Stone.
As of right now SMU is a major player in Stone's recruitment.
Preston Stone being the #1 2021 QB who is often called Johnny Manziel without the issues.
It will be interesting to see how things work out.
I still like Memphis or SMU in the West next year.
Think Tulane will be vastly improved. Willie Fritz is getting close to getting the ball rolling there.
This is not even mentioning the East with UCF.
Plus what is happening with Cincinnati.
Dana will be a Meteor in Houston.
He burn bright in the beginning and will attract a lot of attention.
And then he will have a spectacular flame out. One for the ages.
We at talkin OD’d in a hotel room with two dead strippers. John Beluci will be jealous.
He burn bright in the beginning and will attract a lot of attention.
And then he will have a spectacular flame out. One for the ages.
We at talkin OD’d in a hotel room with two dead strippers. John Beluci will be jealous.
Taking us from the Big East to the B12 is a major undertaking. The wheels could have really fallen off, considering we are on an island and our schedule was boosted.
I think most objective people would recognize that he performed well and did a fine job. Hopefully, Brown is better positioned to build on that now.
As Townes mentioned, in the B12 all we know is Dana. Its not like the Big East where we knew the program was strong enough to nearly carry itself.
I think most objective people would recognize that he performed well and did a fine job. Hopefully, Brown is better positioned to build on that now.
As Townes mentioned, in the B12 all we know is Dana. Its not like the Big East where we knew the program was strong enough to nearly carry itself.
He had nothing to do with it. Good Lord are you ever thick. Studying at the foot of that FakeTexasJackass TVZ...or NoPride304? However you are good for comic relief.
Houston AD has gone on record they want more than 8 wins a year from their head Coach. Dana has not yet averaged 8 wins a year. Will he be fired if he doesn't avg. more than 8 in the not very deep AAC?
--"winning is defined at the University of Houston as 10-2. ... We'll fire coaches at 8-4."
Big 12 isn't getting easier with Oklahoma having made three consecutive College Football Playoff appearances. (ESPN chokes again. OU has not made 3 straight playoffs. They have made 3 but not 3 consecutive.)
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ionaire-bold-move-houston-dana-holgorsen-hire
--"winning is defined at the University of Houston as 10-2. ... We'll fire coaches at 8-4."
Big 12 isn't getting easier with Oklahoma having made three consecutive College Football Playoff appearances. (ESPN chokes again. OU has not made 3 straight playoffs. They have made 3 but not 3 consecutive.)
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ionaire-bold-move-houston-dana-holgorsen-hire
He had nothing to do with it?
He was the damn head coach and was responsible for the teams transition into B12 conference play.
The entire schedule, recruiting grounds, budget, ect., was changed - that is a major challenge for a head coach.
One year he was prepping for UConn and Rutgers, next year it was Texas, Oklahoma and a buzzsaw Baylor. Not to mention overhauling a roster for a drastically different style of football.
I'm not the thick one, find a mirror grandpa.
Oh darthy...oh little darthy...he inherited a change and did not create it. Basic difference..ask your other egos they'll confirm lol. And then he proceeded to stumble and fumble his way through it all while staring out his tax payer funded windows hoping to see a Texas party bus show up. You are apparently growing a brick between your ears there junior.
No one implied he created it.
To be blunt, my impression of you is that of an uneducated buffoon who has no personal talent or skill, or anything meaningful to do with his personal time but troll a message board.
If that is too complicated for you to grasp....I will dumb it down for your level - you are a loser without any accomplishments.
Not a bad article. Understandable that the bar that had been honoring Holgs with a WVU helmet (props btw) would have a UH helmet now. The only real problem I have with a piece of it is, like was pointed out by a poster, the article should have mentioned that other WVU coaches had beat OK with the players WVU attracted but Holgs couldn't, which is partially why he left. Brown will beat them
Because that is all he cares about doing. He even said as much while he was here. He doesn't want the responsibilities that come along with being a head coach. But by golly, he sure does love that head coaching salary. Houston was stupid enough to actually give it to him. No good Power 5 programs even gave him a sniff. Texas Tech didn't even want him.
Read the article brother.
Houston feels like it should be playing in a NYD bowl game every year.
Dana is the one who they believe will get them there. Dana also feels the same.
More than that UH wants to be in a P5 conference. People around Houston want Dana to be their next Bill Yeoman.
Cougar High like Texas Tech wasn't an original SWC school.
Houston's success with Bill Yeoman in football and Guy Lewis in basketball put UH in the SWC.
Houston almost became a SWC school in the 1980's but never fully became one. Always an odd fit because they are a glorified junior college.
Overall coaching from the head coach down to the grad assistants and analysts is the major difference between the Big East and Big 12.
A lot of the coaches in the 2011 Big East failed when they moved on to tougher jobs or better conferences.
Dana wasn't the only one.
But Dana's failure is still debatable.
Mike Gundy and Gary Patterson have coached in NYD bowl games but both coaches coached at their respective schools for longer than Dana Holgersen.
Who knows where WV would be on their next peak?
Who should set the peak for WV at a NYD6 bowl game?
Telling coaches that they must reach this level could ultimately keep WV from reaching this level.
A lot of the coaches in the 2011 Big East failed when they moved on to tougher jobs or better conferences.
Dana wasn't the only one.
But Dana's failure is still debatable.
Mike Gundy and Gary Patterson have coached in NYD bowl games but both coaches coached at their respective schools for longer than Dana Holgersen.
Who knows where WV would be on their next peak?
Who should set the peak for WV at a NYD6 bowl game?
Telling coaches that they must reach this level could ultimately keep WV from reaching this level.
It is because of 2016.
You can say 2011 as well but 2016 UH put the world on notice.
Rewatch the 2016 UH vs Louisville game.
This is the same Louisville team that beat Florida State 63-20 and played with the NC Clemson.
Only two defenses that year shut down Lamar Jackson. UH and LSU. A lot of the NFL has spoken with Todd Orlando and Dave Aranda about containing Lamar Jackson.
This is not even mentioning how UH absolutely destroyed Oklahoma up front.
You mean like the Maryland team that beat Texas 2 years in a row.
Louisville lost 3 straight in 2016.
Houston after that so called shocking win lost their final 2 games in embarrassing fashion.
Everyone knew all you had to do to stop Louisville was keep Lamar in the pocket. He wasn't going to light anybody up with his passing if he couldn't run the ball. His comp. % was 57.0
UH AD is silly. UH only had 4 seasons over the past 10 years over 8 wins. 2 of those season were 9 wins because they won a bowl game. UH AD is unrealistic to expect an avg over 8 wins per year.
UH only beat OU by 10 points.
UH opponents record 73-67 / they had 4 teams with winning records and were 2-2.
UH 2015 team was their best all time.
They have pretty much averaged 8 games the last ten years.
I don't know where you are getting that they cannot.
This was with two 5-7 seasons.
Football scores do not always determine superiority.
Houston beat Louisville 36-10.
But Louisville played Houston much closer than Oklahoma did who only loss by ten.
Every time Houston has gotten to that point their coach has left except with Bill Yeoman.
Houston hit the SWC running in 1976 winning the conference their first year.
If Tom Herman stayed at Houston that program would be a monster right now because he was beginning to lock down the Houston area into SW Louisiana.
Travis Etienne who is considered a Top 3 RB from Jennings, LA ended up at Clemson because Herman left UH. He was heading to Houston.
Derek Warehime who was with Herman at Houston is one of the best evaluators of talent.
Can't coach worth a lick but can evaluate talent. Has changed the game in Texas. Now even Jimbo is slow playing recruits because Texas let him take what he felt was the better recruits to only finish with a lower recruiting ranking than Texas because of evaluations.
Even with 3 star recruits Dana Holgersen could win 8+ games a year.
There is that much talent in SE Texas and SW Louisiana.
It is Rational. Try not to put emotional spin on anything. Once you do that the Devil himself can seem like a hero.
Dana wasn't fired by WV so he still could be hired by bigger name programs.
Some programs refuse to hire coaches that have been fired at the college level.
Dana goes to the American to a school that can recruit to a much higher level than their competition.
I don't like it truthfully because Dana pretty much is saying he can't win at the level that the WV fanbase wants.
I think all fanbases are ultimately self destructive. Even the bluebloods have an Achilles Heel.
I don't know if it is a bad thing that WV has expectations for their coaches.
Dana wasn't fired by WV so he still could be hired by bigger name programs.
Some programs refuse to hire coaches that have been fired at the college level.
Dana goes to the American to a school that can recruit to a much higher level than their competition.
I don't like it truthfully because Dana pretty much is saying he can't win at the level that the WV fanbase wants.
I think all fanbases are ultimately self destructive. Even the bluebloods have an Achilles Heel.
I don't know if it is a bad thing that WV has expectations for their coaches.
Keep drinking KeatonsC oh my fault you're now known as TVZ.
Who said Dana was fired? Dana was more or less divorced by WVU. His time ran out. WVU was not going to bargain to keep him.
How long before Dana gets Houston into the playoffs? Never IMO.
Who said Dana was fired? Dana was more or less divorced by WVU. His time ran out. WVU was not going to bargain to keep him.
How long before Dana gets Houston into the playoffs? Never IMO.
Poor Allen...
You try too hard to control the narrative.
You are an emotional wreck most of the time.
If Dana stayed at WV he probably would have ended up fired.
I guess behind the scenes people kept asking Dana if this was going to be the year.
Dana had to bet on the 2018 West Virginia team. Reason why he took so many risk.
Truthfully I find that team very interesting. Probably even more so than your 2012 WV team.
These expectations haven't left. Neal Brown will have to produce. Reason for his "We are not great right now and I don't know when we will be great but we will be great"
I paraphrased the comment but you understand the jist of it.
Six years from now if Neal Brown hasn't won the Big 12 he will be in the same position as Dana.
Neal Brown will have to look out for himself just like Dana did.
He wasn't fired so there is a chance he still could get a job anywhere he wants.
Good chance if the Graham Harrell experiment works at SC
Dana could be on the shortlist for the USC job if he has success at Houston.
TVZ still a dick.
Having to produce is the one thing every coach at every school has to do to keep his job. It's the reason college football has gone to hell. Paying coaches millions of dollars has become more important than the game itself.
It's obvious you're a Dana fan and a WVU supporter. You are no more a Texas fan than Pride was an expert on WV recruiting. Quit pretending you know **** and just be yourself, KC, Pride and or what other profile you choose.
Having to produce is the one thing every coach at every school has to do to keep his job. It's the reason college football has gone to hell. Paying coaches millions of dollars has become more important than the game itself.
It's obvious you're a Dana fan and a WVU supporter. You are no more a Texas fan than Pride was an expert on WV recruiting. Quit pretending you know **** and just be yourself, KC, Pride and or what other profile you choose.
Poor Allen...
Keaton and Pride went at each other's throats if you don't remember.
The entire Wesco thing was their last battle.
Didn't mind either one. But Pride is a Pitt fan. He is on the Pitt message board. Already figured out who it is. Not too difficult. Talks about a lot of the same things as he did on his wvpride304 account.
Expectations....
Bill Snyder would have been fired by K State if their expectations was to win the Big 12.
K State didn't win a conference until 2003.
Snyder had been there 12 years.
Keaton and Pride went at each other's throats if you don't remember.
The entire Wesco thing was their last battle.
Didn't mind either one. But Pride is a Pitt fan. He is on the Pitt message board. Already figured out who it is. Not too difficult. Talks about a lot of the same things as he did on his wvpride304 account.
Expectations....
Bill Snyder would have been fired by K State if their expectations was to win the Big 12.
K State didn't win a conference until 2003.
Snyder had been there 12 years.