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[Hoosker Du]

"It's not the X's and the O's but the Jimmys and the Joes." Yet it's quite funny that it's the sky is falling fans that are quick to pick up the pitchforks and torches and put all the blame on the D coordinator as a whipping boy. We ultimate have a young team, sure we have some seniors that are solid but then again how many 1st or even 2nd or 3rd team Big Ten players do we have on our D? Ya but lets go and fire another coordinator and have another 2 years of growing pains. It's a silly cycle. It's a team game brother and you love to compare mighty Wisconsin yet then again WI runs a pro offense and controls the ball most of the game and it's D is on the field for a lot less plays. Nebraska tries to play fast pace and outscore people putting a lot of pressure on the D to hold up. Fundamentally that's what Frosty is about, if you disagree that's entirely a different conversation.

The "sky is falling fans" as you call them, are fans that know giving up 30+ points in over 65% of the games is not a recipe for success. Especially in a league known for being pretty stingy on defense.

Watching both our LBs and DBs not playing their assignments correctly and leaving both gaping holes and wide open receivers with the level of frequency that they are is very disconcerting when we're 23 games in. Our talent level isn't so bad that we should be ranked 71st in Total Defense after 23 games.

 

[Headcard]

The "sky is falling fans" as you call them, are fans that know giving up 30+ points in over 65% of the games is not a recipe for success. Especially in a league known for being pretty stingy on defense. And watching both our LBs and DBs not playing their assignments correctly and leaving both gaping holes and wide open receivers with the level of frequency that they are is very disconcerting when we're 23 games in.

I agree with you on the LB’s, but I think our DB’s have played pretty well, especially lately. People just pick on our LB’s in the run game and the passing game so much.

 

[oldjar07]

Beating up on a bottom feeder is something we haven’t done in a long time. Maryland is awful, but we have played other awful teams and struggled in recent years. So we finally beat a bottom feeder the way a good team should beat a bottom feeder. And that came one week after playing very competitively against Wisconsin.

Yes... progress is happening and coaching has a lot to do with it. This team could have just given up like Maryland’s players have given up. Or like our players in Riley’s last year gave up. These guys this year are fighting and scrapping to the very end. The coaches are doing a good job of keeping them focused and disciplined.

Maryland could have kept the game a lot closer if they actually punted on 4th down instead of going for it. It would have been more like 34-7 instead of 55-7, which is still a good win. I wouldn't read too much into putting up 55 points on a team that was already desperate in the first half.

As for Wisconsin, we did a good job running the ball against them but Taylor was able to do the same and get what he wanted most of the game. Wisconsin had the game in hand the whole time, so it wasn't that competitive. I'll be happy if we play competitive against a team like Ohio State. Getting beat by 16 points to the #13 ranked team isn't impressive and doesn't show progress imo. If we play well and beat Iowa and play well in the bowl game, then I'll believe progress has been made.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I agree with you on the LB’s, but I think our DB’s have played pretty well, especially lately. People just pick on our LB’s in the run game and the passing game so much.

We are 48th in passing yards given up, and 40th in Pass Efficiency Defense, which is certainly moving in the right direction. Pretty surprised to see us in that good of shape to be honest. Maybe it's giving up the 3rd and long so often that has been frustrating.

I just hope that our defense can turn the corner next year and become an asset and no longer a liability. With Chinander's history though as a D1 DC, I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Josh Heupel - started 4 games. Hurt his knee months later and transferred. The rest is history.

Seneca Wallace - was going to be the starting CB but became ineligible. Moma made him go back home. The rest is history.

Corey Dillon - failed to get to Washington out of high school because of a test score. One season of 1,555 yards in one I-A season and the rest is history.

Chad Kelly - played in 5 games as a freshman. The rest is history (beat Alabama)

Cam Newton - got kicked off the team for stealing. Beat out other QB's for the second strong spot behind Heisman winner Tim Tebow. Played in games. Won the starting job the next season but got hurt and took a redshirt season. The rest is history.

So this whole talking point of Mills being the only guy to go from what is now P5 to JUCO back to P5 has happened before.

This whole obsession of trying to paint Mills into not being a JUCO is just dumb. He was in JUCo when we recruited him. Thus, he was a JUCO recruit.

the statement was Mills was a different type of JUCO

Wallace and Dillon never played a power 5 down before JUCO
Chad Kelly in his career at Clemson was 10-17 for 58 yards before going JUCO
Cam Newton had completed 6 passes for 40 yards in his career before going JUCO

Mills was a preseaon all ACC pick based on his freshman production -
you are simply listing players that had a lot of success coming out of JUCO - none had high level success before needing to go JUCO

now, kudos to our staff for landing the kid - but he was a known commodity coming out of JUCO - it didn't take much talent evaluation to know the kid could play at this level

keep reaching

 

[Headcard]

We are 48th in passing yards given up, and 40th in Pass Efficiency Defense, which is certainly moving in the right direction. Pretty surprised to see us in that good of shape to be honest. Maybe it's giving up the 3rd and long so often that has been frustrating.

I just hope that our defense can turn the corner next year and become an asset and no longer a liability. With Chinander's history though as a D1 DC, I'm not going to hold my breath.

I don’t know about our D turning the corner as is, to be honest. But I do think Fisher has done a good job with out DB’s and a lot of our struggles in the passing game fall on the LB’s.

 

[Bigredhunter]

How many of those guys were recruited by our current staff? None. Name one Juco guy who has been worth a damn recruited by Frost? Bearing in mind that I love coach Frost.

The best JUCO this staff has been able to land was Mike Hughes right before joining NU.

He started with North Carolina but ended up a Garden City Community College and then back at UCF. He was drafted in the first round.

I've been hoping we'd get a little of that magic but most of the JUCOs haven't even been able to find their way on the field.

 

[oldjar07]

Mills is a different type of JUCO. He had already had success at the P5 level while at Georgia Tech. He was not the risk Honas was. Honas looked like a stud against JUCO competition, but at Nebraska he has been average at best.

so @uberism1111, if using you stats is accurate, stats I view with a bit of skepticism, 2 of 3 HS recruits work out in some way shape or form. But only 2 of 5 JUCO players work out. In most mathematical teachings 66% > 40%. So not only are you not getting less bang for your buck annually, but there is also the accumulative those numbers over the course of multiple years.

if you recruit 3 JUCOs per year, using your numbers, over 5 years 6 will work out. But if you use those scholarship on HS players, over that same period 10 will be contributors. But you say if 2 of 5 Jucos develop into a contributor that should be viewed as a success???

I think he meant jucos working out as becoming starters which he put at 40%. I'd imagine jucos have a similar contribution rate as high school players at 66%. But way to twist the argument to fit your agenda.

 

[Dicky Broseph]

Do not understand some of you guys. Throw out random statistics of your own about success rate of jucos. Depends on who is picking the jucos right? Then we try and say mills is not a "normal juco guy."lol..we just signed two 4/to play 3 guys, if they are successful will they not count toward juco guys? Coming into this season we had williams and mills starting on off and williams and honas starting on defense. Transfers Noa and daniels start. We are manufacturing a senior class. Only woodyard is on the team and not contributing. Jahkeem Green is all but a lock to start next 2 season and was redshirted bc be gravely needed next yr. Not sure where this juco hate is coming from. We need juco players to bridge the gap until young guys are ready. We need omar manning just like we needed bland at guard. We need these lbs just like we needed williams at db. We will have some young guys playing but need some older guys too. If the older guys he has cant play he will get jucos and transfers. I am glad to see guys like Davis and Barry go. What is being missed is defense is a unit..if there is weak links all over it makes the whole def look bad. D line had no lateral agility. Lbs lacked athleticism. It takes a while to flip a weak roster guys!

 

[uberism1111]

I think he meant jucos working out as becoming starters which he put at 40%. I'd imagine jucos have a similar contribution rate as high school players at 66%. But way to twist the argument to fit your agenda.

Hit it big I am referring to good enough to make it to the NFL. Hence the "would make a big difference" or whatever word use I used.

I know the stats more on high school success rates than I do JUCO kids. I'm personally not a fan of heavy JUCO recruiting, but we need the immediacly of talent for next season and beyond so I understand the approach. With high school kids you are looking at 2 years before it makes a difference. These JUCO kids are already more physical mature than any high school kid they would bring in.

We will see what kind of impact that the JUCO D recruits make next season. We are not done taking JUCO D recruits in this class.

 

[dinglefritz]

The best JUCO this staff has been able to land was Mike Hughes right before joining NU.

He started with North Carolina but ended up a Garden City Community College and then back at UCF. He was drafted in the first round.

I've been hoping we'd get a little of that magic but most of the JUCOs haven't even been able to find their way on the field.

I expect there will be a difference in the quality of JUCO guys Frost lands when he gets on them in the summer and early fall instead of in January. His first recruiting class at NU was a hasty attempt to fill some holes. IMO, the JUCOs he gets this year will have more success like Mills.

 

[Bigredhunter]

I expect there will be a difference in the quality of JUCO guys Frost lands when he gets on them in the summer and early fall instead of in January. His first recruiting class at NU was a hasty attempt to fill some holes. IMO, the JUCOs he gets this year will have more success like Mills.

I hope so. I am so sad to see JUCOs Mike Williams and Jaron Woodyard run out of eligibility. Both are speedsters who seem ideal for what Frost likes to do (screens and other isolation plays).

 

[bshirt73]

The "sky is falling fans" as you call them, are fans that know giving up 30+ points in over 65% of the games is not a recipe for success. Especially in a league known for being pretty stingy on defense.

Watching both our LBs and DBs not playing their assignments correctly and leaving both gaping holes and wide open receivers with the level of frequency that they are is very disconcerting when we're 23 games in. Our talent level isn't so bad that we should be ranked 71st in Total Defense after 23 games.

Three things to consider sir....

1. our special teams have been a huge disaster this year......I don't need to describe how that hurts winning games "and" our defense.

2. There's been several games where our offense goes like forever going 3 & out...... and 3 & out....and 3 & out. Especially with our quick playing offense.....what could hurt the defense more than that?

3. Lots of our fumbles, penalties and interceptions don't help our defense much at all.

But anyways, if nothing else, the defense has surely looked improved the last couple of games. Hang in there awhile partner.