The team has been much more successful than our donors who place DEAD LAST in donations for P5 schools every single year.
New Bubble Next Year?
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Keep shitting on the donors. I'm guessing you are a Rutgers employee. Rutgers does a great job alienating donors. I know this well. We are close to done with RU with their debacle with us.
This is a serious question re: donations. I am not flaming or trying to make everything political, But-
I was just listening to the VT postgame podcast talking about Rutgers tailgating. They twice mentioned the large number of flagpoles they saw (over 100) and also mentioned that they were flying the American flag (RU flag, too). This does not seem, to me, to equate with the public image the RU admin, faculty and students represent. Is it possible there is a disconnect between RU alumni/football fans and the image that RU projects to the public? Is it possible this disconnect is reflected in the lack of donations to the program and the university as a whole?
I have not lived in Jersey for 30 years so I am asking about the local culture.
I was just listening to the VT postgame podcast talking about Rutgers tailgating. They twice mentioned the large number of flagpoles they saw (over 100) and also mentioned that they were flying the American flag (RU flag, too). This does not seem, to me, to equate with the public image the RU admin, faculty and students represent. Is it possible there is a disconnect between RU alumni/football fans and the image that RU projects to the public? Is it possible this disconnect is reflected in the lack of donations to the program and the university as a whole?
I have not lived in Jersey for 30 years so I am asking about the local culture.
The lack of donations to Rutgers is due to the belief that many feel they received poor service when they were students.
So many graduated from Rutgers vowing they would never donate a penny. That is I believe the biggest reason.
Could you describe the public image that RU projects as you see it from afar? My guess it that it's not universal but there could be definite validity to some aspects of it.
Nope, I am just a season ticket holder since 1991 in the Yellow Lot.
If Rutgers was smart they would try to enter into a long term agreement with the MIDDLESEX county parks commission and open the entire Johnson Park for game day parking.
Every county in NJ is scraping for money for maintaining and improving parks. MIDDLESEX county no exception. Both Rutgers and MIDDLESEX county could benefit financially doing a 50/50 split of revenue of parking in Johnson park and having shuttles right to stadium.
Yes Johnson park would be closed on the 5-6 game days per season but their revenue and all the good it could do in maintaining and improving other parks and natural habitats would be improved.
Every county in NJ is scraping for money for maintaining and improving parks. MIDDLESEX county no exception. Both Rutgers and MIDDLESEX county could benefit financially doing a 50/50 split of revenue of parking in Johnson park and having shuttles right to stadium.
Yes Johnson park would be closed on the 5-6 game days per season but their revenue and all the good it could do in maintaining and improving other parks and natural habitats would be improved.
No. We want to continue to win 3 and 4 games each season and average 2 TDs a game in B1G play so we can have ample tailgating space.
Yes someone will lose something.
Of the many things I am not, an engineer and expert of Rutgers campus are two of them.
Can a new facility be built on the Hale centers existing parking lot? Then it can be connected to the Hale center which is still good and can be updated. And Then put the new field house over one of the existing outdoor fields? We don’t need 3 outdoor fields, plus a field house, plus the bubble and stadium field. Need to get creative or Pitt can figure out how to build a 10 story athletic facility in a city we can do something at Rutgers
Ok. I won’t deny this. I will own it.I see the difference between RU fans and Bama fans in this thread.
Saban: Alabama Football is building another new facility in this parking lot. You guys gotta move your tailgate and continue to donate.
Tide Fans: Roll Tide!!!!!!!
Schiano: Rutgers Football is building our first football facility in the Yellow……..
RU Fans: Get the f*** off my lawn. We want to tailgate and enter the stadium in the second quarter!!!!
LMFAO
You know why?
Because at Rutgers we have had decades where the football team was not competitive, and all the while we have maintained what I would call an elite tailgating scene. For many years the tailgate was the only thing to look forward to.
A better analogy may be ole miss building a training facility on top of the grove. That’s how important the yellow lot tailgating scene is to many of us.
You make a good point - the 3 practice fields in the Battaglia facility would be unnecessary if there were a true indoor practice facility.
And Skinny said that his (incorrect) understanding of the plan would take only 25% of the Yellow lot. He should look at a map, because 25% of the Yellow lot is a lot less territory than the existing Brown lot / tennis courts footprint.
The first version of a fieldhouse plan that I heard about, several years ago, was exactly that - it occupied the Brown lot / tennis court footprint and was connected to the Battaglia complex.
These are the supposed die hards who show more and more they are only hard for this board and tailgating. We are last in donations in the BIG most do not even travel to away games to see that their beloved tailgate game is BS compared to many. Fill up in the lots so I won’t have to spend a dime inside the stadium lol.
Lol, another plan you have knowledge of. Good thing you don't work Wall St, because you'd get hit with "insider trading" charges. Love those that brag or give hints of inside knowledge, too funny.
I’m going to add a little historical perspective here for those that were not here through the years:
When I was a student in the 80s the combined fields that we now call the yellow and blue lots were more than double the size they are now. They served as intramural fields as well as football parking.
Over the years they have been chipped away at with construction of Yurczak field, University Park, campus Road, and most recently the RU visitors center.
while we have been spoiled with the space we have around the stadium, that space has been looked upon as a place to build things rather than cherished for what it is.
Current plans to build the training center on yellow, and a LAX field on blue will likely leave little of that space behind.
We can better utilize Johnson Park when it’s not flooded, and we have long talked about the golf course driving range as a parking possibility. But we will never have the yellow and blue lots back once they are gone.
When I was a student in the 80s the combined fields that we now call the yellow and blue lots were more than double the size they are now. They served as intramural fields as well as football parking.
Over the years they have been chipped away at with construction of Yurczak field, University Park, campus Road, and most recently the RU visitors center.
while we have been spoiled with the space we have around the stadium, that space has been looked upon as a place to build things rather than cherished for what it is.
Current plans to build the training center on yellow, and a LAX field on blue will likely leave little of that space behind.
We can better utilize Johnson Park when it’s not flooded, and we have long talked about the golf course driving range as a parking possibility. But we will never have the yellow and blue lots back once they are gone.
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According to current drawings (supposedly). There are no shovels in the ground yet, hell designs haven't even been publicly released, so there is nothing stopping the design from being altered.
Working in the field of public infrastructure myself - a project with this impact and of this magnitude needs to be thoroughly contemplated, with the impact to all stakeholders fully considered (yes, including fans/donors).
I'm not opposed to a fieldhouse, and fully support giving the football team what it needs to compete. But we also cannot afford to continue to "throw good money after bad" (as I heard someone say) just because "I said so". This is how Rutgers continues to shoot itself in the foot.
Size of turf field and middle field of the practice fields = approx. 148,000 sf
Size of front half of Yellow lot = approx. 139,000 sf
Size of Brown lot and tennis courts = approx. 175,000 sf
I think some people on the football team need to go back to math class.
Size of front half of Yellow lot = approx. 139,000 sf
Size of Brown lot and tennis courts = approx. 175,000 sf
I think some people on the football team need to go back to math class.
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Agreed. I don't think many on this thread are against a field house. More of like I said earlier poor planning, location and more "throwing good money after bad." We supposedly have a very good urban planning school at RU. But we choose not to plan properly. This goes back many decades with placement of various infrastructure projects not just in the athletic space.
Can someone explain to me the following:
- Yurcak Field. This started the issue with land usage. Giant field and we place a structure smack dab in the middle of it. Why not shade it one direction to help with future expansion.
- Why was the RWJ Barnabas performance structure placed where it was? If it wasn't attached, either directly or via tunnel, bridge that thing could have been placed anywhere.
- Rodkin Center. Again if it wasn't attached to stadium to better utilize locker rooms, trainers facilities etc...it could have been placed anywhere. Placement seriously pigein holes where future expansion for all facilities placement going forward. Soccer Lacrosse and Football.
- Visitors Center. This is the most egregious of all. This thing was placed in the middle of nowhere. Not close to academic buildings, dorms, social gathering spaces. This thing should have either been incorporated in the honors college expansion or the "YARD".
Yeah, but some of my finest memories are from Scott Hall.
Most of them involved girls. And being pretty stoned.
Don’t get me started on that place.
Just about the dumbest name imaginable for that particular spot.
Yea arranged most of my social life in that monstrous lecture hall. Either there or the roost!
I can only comment on the visitors center, but the visitors center predates both the Honors College and the Yard by about a decade. I believe a large portion of why it is where it is is because they need parking space, and they need space where the tour busses can line up and wait without being in the way of University\city traffic. Neither of those needs would be fulfilled anywhere on college ave. The idea was also that it could be used for event space before Football games, which it has been.
This whole thread is an argument over a rumor that has not been confirmed.
Basketball season is around the corner and that's when Pat is at his most accessible.But that’s what we do, my good man.
Rest assured we'll have a chat about goals, objectives and priorities.
I, too, want a field house / indoor facility. But I want it right where it was originally planned to be - which is in the Brown lot / tennis court footprint.
FWIW, the Giants indoor training facility measures 420x200. It would easily fit in that space.
Don't go bringing facts, figures and math into a discussion. @RUskoolie will shout you down, others will scold you for not going with the flow and the demands of our head coach. Heck, whatever Saban says at Alabama is granted with a yes sir salute, and we should do the same because we are just like Alabama football.Size of turf field and middle field of the practice fields = approx. 148,000 sf
Size of front half of Yellow lot = approx. 139,000 sf
Size of Brown lot and tennis courts = approx. 175,000 sf
I think some people on the football team need to go back to math class.
But to your point, there is nothing wrong with involving multiple stakeholders and getting the points of view of others. You are an excellent example, with a perfect background to consider the alternatives. Here's another shot out of a cannon- why not put it where the President's House and Swimming Club are and relocate the President? The house is apparently not in great condition. Plenty of land in that area.
But back to the Brown Lot. Maryland's new facility is: "The entire new facility is 180,000 square feet, about half of which is taken up by the practice field.:
More than enough room in the Brown Lot/Former Tennis Area, and it gives direct access to the Hale Center. They could keep the parking in the Brown Lot now, and/or do a two level deck to provide more parking.
I never said I was against the field house, and just asked if they gave due consideration to the location and placement. You gave good examples of buildings placed in odd locations with seemingly no forethought. It's the Rutgers way of doing things. When we first went to the Visitors Center for our oldest kid, we were wondering why it was plopped over there. Very odd placement indeed.
Back to the Brown lot and the tennis center, someone mentioned that the field house could be elevated. Northwestern did just that. Their field house is 420,000 square feet.
I can understand your points. I have been on many college tours in much more densely populated urban locations. Parking and the need to line up buses were never an issue. The fact that the Visitors Center is on the southernmost part of Busch campus (away from academic buildings) where you are forced to bus created the excess need for additional parking and busses to other campuses. This is part of planning, seeing the next project and how it could fit in. If the visiting center was placed on College Ave prior to the Yard and honors college it would have created a much more cohesive and collegiate experience. Walking tour versus bussing tour.
I understand a location for game day usage but I would think that space would have been better utilized building out an entertainment site within the stadium.
Do we know the size of what is being proposed? The brown lot is an odd shape, not sure how you build it there, not to mention the drop off towards River Road which would likely add to the construction costs for walls and who knows what else.Size of turf field and middle field of the practice fields = approx. 148,000 sf
Size of front half of Yellow lot = approx. 139,000 sf
Size of Brown lot and tennis courts = approx. 175,000 sf
I think some people on the football team need to go back to math class.
I think they are taking part of the white lot also as an FYI.
Looking more closely at the diagram, the white lot stays as parking for the field house, which is irregular shape to conform with the line of SK Way. It's basically a trapezoid, with the field on the east side and offices, etc., on the west side, bordering the road. The white lot footprint provides parking for the field and the current top of the yellow lot, where you enter for games, becomes parking for the admin facility. Looks like ~100 car capacity for each lot.
Size of turf field and middle field of the practice fields = approx. 148,000 sf
Size of front half of Yellow lot = approx. 139,000 sf
Size of Brown lot and tennis courts = approx. 175,000 sf
I think some people on the football team need to go back to math class.
Building an indoor practice facility over/into the Yellow lot vs. figuring out a way to build one w/parking over the Brown Lot/Tennis courts would be very Rutgers.
Any intrusion into the Yellow lot would have a ripple effect into all of the other lots below it (Blue, Purple, Black).
Putting donations aside, everyone who parks on Busch is essentially a season ticket holder and our core base of fans (15-20K die hards). These are the people who stayed with the program and didn’t give up despite being one of the worst P5 programs over a few years. These are also your younger fans and future bigger donors.
If parking became so limited on Busch with all of the master plans where I got pushed to Livingston (I currently qualify for Blue but choose Black) I would drop my season tickets in a heart beat. The only reason clung onto my season tickets over the past 6-8 years was because of the ability to tailgate and connect with family/friends prior to the game.
This is correct, but IMO the numbers must ALWAYS be offered with the additional context that there are 5400 season ticket accounts. So it's not really 20,000 people we're talking about, here, in terms of purchase decisions. I think that's an important point.