NET rankings out
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Weird thing is, when Cal first got here he was gREAt at understanding and exploiting this reality. How do you unlearn that?
Our strength of schedule is in the 300s. All there is to it.
If and when when we deserve to move up, we will
it doesn't.
And yet, this is what the NCAA decides to use in the committee room when determining seeding.
When there's really a bunch of ones out there they could have used. All of which would have been better.
But it doesn't matter tho. Our NET won't be 39. We could play these next few games and drop some and our NET could still go up.
Because LSU has played a much better level of mid major competition than we have.
Some fans seem to have trouble grasping the notion that not all mid-majors are created the same. Simply playing ones from the middle of the pack, instead of the very bottom, makes a big difference when that algorithm calculates your NET score.
Yeah but I get the argument. These 300s could have been teams ranked in the 150-200s. We would have won the games anyways and it wouldn't have hit the NET as much.
It could have meaning in some years. I don't think it will this year tho. The SEC is really tough. We'll have our fair share of Quad 1 games to play.
The thing about LSU is you'd take a look at their non conference schedule and conclude "well they really didn't play anyone". They played no one at the top.
We got games against Duke, Kansas, OSU, ND and UL. 5 non conference games that's better than any team they play OOC.
So they are 2nd purely on the basis of avoiding bad teams instead of scheduling really good ones.
People talk about gaming the system and that's a good example right there.
We got games against Duke, Kansas, OSU, ND and UL. 5 non conference games that's better than any team they play OOC.
So they are 2nd purely on the basis of avoiding bad teams instead of scheduling really good ones.
People talk about gaming the system and that's a good example right there.
i’m willing to at least wait to see how it plays out. if we run through and dominate the sec and get a 1 seed it would be really hard to complain.
Well, you know, we could easily “game the system” in the same way, but Cal chooses not to.
Ohio was a good opponent for us. A middle tier program that is good enough to provide us with a legit challenge (and help our NET), but still bad enough to ensure that we’ll almost certainly win if played on our home court. We should schedule more opponents like Ohio.
But, instead, Cal usually prefers scraping from the very bottom of the barrel. Those bottom-tier opponents ranked in the 300s are just worthless toxic assets when your NET score is calculated.
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Cal is starting to schedule more like Tubby, where he invites friends and family rather than worrying about the actual schedule strength.
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I fear this is setting up a dangerous precedence tho. Yeah people will argue about us scheduling teams in the 300s but what is going to happen is teams are going to say hmm you know what it doesn't really pay to play top competition we can just be LSU and schedule a boatload of teams in the 100s-200s. It's scary because you might see less big time matchups in the non conference if everyone decides to game the system.
In other words ideally I'd like UK to remove the 300s like everyone else. But I also don't want to see games vs Duke, KU, UL etc etc go away either.
We are college basketball.
In typical fashion everyone over reacts, and acts like everyone lines up top 25 teams EVERY SINGLE night, which is not the case...here are few of their NON league schedules
UK: 5 games
Duke(N)
Kansas(A)
ND(A)
Ohio State(N)
Louisville(H)
Duke: 3 games
UK(N)
Ohio State(A)
Gonzaga(N)
UCLA: 4 games
Villanova(H)
Gonzaga(N)
UNC(N)
Marquette
Gonzaga: 6 games
UCLA(N)
Duke(N)
Texas(H)
Bama(N)
Washington(H)
Texas Tech(N)
But if your Gonzaga, why wouldnt you schedule 6 like that knowing that you will almost 100% not face a ranked team the rest of the conference season other than BYU
Gonzaga only non conference true road game is at Washington
I just dont get the over reaction, we just havent played the toughest part of our schedule, and minus a few years its very similar, give or take a couple games, to what you will see form most all power 5 schools.
And this isnt the same SEC of 10+ years ago...lots of really good, competitive teams
UK: 5 games
Duke(N)
Kansas(A)
ND(A)
Ohio State(N)
Louisville(H)
Duke: 3 games
UK(N)
Ohio State(A)
Gonzaga(N)
UCLA: 4 games
Villanova(H)
Gonzaga(N)
UNC(N)
Marquette
Gonzaga: 6 games
UCLA(N)
Duke(N)
Texas(H)
Bama(N)
Washington(H)
Texas Tech(N)
But if your Gonzaga, why wouldnt you schedule 6 like that knowing that you will almost 100% not face a ranked team the rest of the conference season other than BYU
Gonzaga only non conference true road game is at Washington
I just dont get the over reaction, we just havent played the toughest part of our schedule, and minus a few years its very similar, give or take a couple games, to what you will see form most all power 5 schools.
And this isnt the same SEC of 10+ years ago...lots of really good, competitive teams
This is a players first program. Former players under Cal too. Not at UK, just in general. The fans? They come last, it seems.
To be honest, this is largely the NCAA's fault. They really shouldn't be publishing their results until around late January to early February. In fact I don't believe anyone should try to rank teams until at least the non-conference portion of games is complete.
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Well I think this team is good so they play against each other daily which should help.
Because teams rated under 100 and 150 factor huge in these rankings. We don’t need to play a stacked schedule but we don’t need to play the 300 ranked teams either.
Tubby actually had pretty tough OOC schedules every year. Had IU and UNC to contend with, and almost always played ND, who was usually ranked.
I was referring to his propensity to schedule +300 RPI teams at the time.
We're playing Southern because Sean Woods is the coach I thought?
Because, you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. People aren't complaining because we aren't playing Kansas every night.
We're complaining because we aren't playing teams that are in the Quad 2 or upper Quad 3 region instead of 6 atrocious Quad 4s. 1 sub 300 team on the schedule? OK. You can't predict the future when you book these. But 6? Frankly that's bullshyt.
No reason you can't slide 2 or 3 of those cupcakes out if there and fill them in with beatable teams that st least bring some name recognition and decent talent. Virginia Tech and Utah recently are such opponents.
Yes, I get not every P5 school is going to sign up to play a home and home with us, but I bet there are more than enough that would that we could sprinkle a couple in there.
Yes, I remember going to watch Pitino run Athletes in Action off the court by 40 pts with my dad. And that's what these games were complaining about are.
No reason we can't find a Nebraska or Texas Christian or Virginia Tech etc.
This is absolutely the truth and people wonder why Rupp has empty seats
5-0 v Quad 4!!!!!!
You won the internet today.
I went to a Creighton game last week. Arena seats 19,000 people in downtown Omaha. Creighton is in Big East. They played NDSU. Maybe 9k in attendance. Made a Kentucky Tuesday night game vs Directional State feel like Mardi Gras.
first world problem I guess
first world problem I guess
I'm not one to complain about early season cupcakes, but even I'll concede that our early season non-conf games have been dogshit.
Our NET will be increasing very very soon.
Outside of tomorrow night, the crap games are done (minus High Point. And we’re doing that for Tubby).
The only cupcake I won’t gripe about i North Florida. They called us because they have a Kentucky kid on their team and we we’re classy enough to say yes and let him come play in Rupp. That’s good sportsmanship.
We of course played RM and Cent Michigan because of Cal’s ties and Justice respectively.
But yes, three of the other games could have been subbed out for better competition. But we did what we were supposed to do in those games and drowned them.
I wouldn’t stress about our NET. We’re about to see what we’re really made of.
Outside of tomorrow night, the crap games are done (minus High Point. And we’re doing that for Tubby).
The only cupcake I won’t gripe about i North Florida. They called us because they have a Kentucky kid on their team and we we’re classy enough to say yes and let him come play in Rupp. That’s good sportsmanship.
We of course played RM and Cent Michigan because of Cal’s ties and Justice respectively.
But yes, three of the other games could have been subbed out for better competition. But we did what we were supposed to do in those games and drowned them.
I wouldn’t stress about our NET. We’re about to see what we’re really made of.
College attendance is down across the country. But I guess we’re supposed to be immune to a sports wide problem.
They don’t even need to be P5 schools, just schedule a higher level of mid-major.
I know you can’t know for sure how good a team is gonna be, but there certainly are indicators to give you a damn good idea. For example, when you schedule a MAC school (like Ohio), its an extremely good bet that team will provide a better opponent than one like UNF that’s only been in division 1 for a few years.
Far too many of our opponents in recent years have been cases where it was obvious that we were intentionally trying to scrape from the bottom of the barrel.
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You have over 17,000 post and for some reason I feel like 12,000 of them is to grip about the schedule. Maybe you should talk to Cal and see if he will put you on staff just to figure out which cupcakes to play.
Exactly. Go get UCF. We played Seton Hall recently (and lost but I digress)
I just don't get why people defend a poor schedule. The schedule is bad and it deserves to be called out.
Correct.
Worrying about the NET in December is akin to worrying about RPI in December. It will all level itself out once conference play begins. UK’s will rise after playing ND, OSU and UL later this month.
It’s not great. Three of the games are tied to Cal or a Kentucky native. So that can’t be helped. The others could definitely be swapped up a bit.
And again I think it was more of a knee jerk reaction to how tough last years was. I think next year the schedule will look a lot better. Or at least it should.
Yeah no one is complaining about hooking up Barbee or Woods, or obviously bringing Tubby back. That's why you sprinkle those games into a decent schedule not build your entire schedule around them. Albany and North Florida? Why
North Florida has a kid from Kentucky. And they called asking if they could come play a game in Rupp for his sake.
Cal of course said yes. Just good sportsmanship.
But Albany? Who knows.
The thing is.........it's not really a poor schedule. Once all of our non conference games are played, the non conference schedule is actually fairly good.
UK just plays a very what I call "top heavy" schedule. We either play top teams or bottom dwellers. There's not much in the way of teams ranked 100-200 say.
Having said this and despite LSU's NET ranking, I'd much rather ours than theirs TBH. And I think most people here would as well even the ones that gripe about ours.
UK just plays a very what I call "top heavy" schedule. We either play top teams or bottom dwellers. There's not much in the way of teams ranked 100-200 say.
Having said this and despite LSU's NET ranking, I'd much rather ours than theirs TBH. And I think most people here would as well even the ones that gripe about ours.
LOL! This can't be true can it? And for Cal to take a call from North Florida and agree to schedule them because "they have a kid from Kentucky"? LOL! No way.
We'll see what our Strength of Schedule turns out to be when it's all said and done. I think it's going to be worse than you suspect.