Need to make them rue? WWHD?

seshomoru

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1. Mistakes were made - Acknowledge that something happened that may not have been proper, but it wasn't done intentionally. And for Hugh's sake... NEVER say "I made a mistake." They were just made. If it's really bad, you may admit that "We all make mistakes." This somewhat lends culpability to your actions, but it also draws others into the mistake making process. Thus, they should feel shame and guilt, therefore losing focus on your actual mistake. Or even better, they begin attacking others who are attacking you by pointing the mistakes that were made because why do they think they are so damn perfect huh? And voila! You are now the persecuted and can move to step 2.

2. Cast the persecution net - You want these jackholes off your back but they just keep persecuting you like you are some sort of swindling preacher on the TV making millions by fooling gullible, less fortunate people looking for anyone to bring them closer to Jesus by removing them further from their money. But here is where you must bear the burden! You cannot simply say, "It's ok, I understand they are upset and I will take this criticism." NO! You must create the illusion that all those around are being brought down as well. In much the same way you managed to deflect the mistake making onto other mistake makers, you create collateral persecution. "People always try to bring down those who try to do what's best by the Lord, I just hate my family and my team, who I love dearly, are having to go through this as well." Never mind that this statement is utter ********. Your family and team had nothing to do with the mistakes, and no one cares about them, but alas... now they do! You have deftly created a persecution complex for those around you, whether they feel it or not. Now everyone is in it together thanks to you! And the best part is, everyone feels even more sorry for you because those mean people who apparently never make mistakes are persecuting your sweet beloved family and team. But what if this doesn't work? What if there are still those out there who just can't see how pious and devout you are?

3. Call Paul - Mr. Finebaum lets Phylis and Hugh knows who else to call in to that show. So get on the phone and play the God card! "Every day I just try to live the Lord's will and glorify him. He would never lead me astray." BAM! God did it, so if they're coming at you they might as well be spitting on Jesus's grave. Ok, bad example but I bet those heathens of mistake persecution don't even believe Jesus rose to forgive us our mistakes that we brought upon ourselves and spread the guilt to others while turning ourselves into the persecuted. Does that make sense? Doesn't have to. Throw on the armor of God baby! You're untouchable! Until probably later this Fall. But you got rich, *****! And isn't that what drew you to <strike>ministry</strike> coaching in the first place?
 

Hasu Dackds

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Sounds to me like another lib's criticism of Christianity.

Focus on Hugh. Your bias won't show through as much.
 

patdog

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I hate inspirational quotes, but this one applies here.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Mod starting a religious thread is a bit unique. I'd only say that what Hugh has done is inexcusable and embarrassing. He's not the first or last high profile person to claim Christ and the do a bunch of stuff that doesn't look very Christ like. That being said, I don't think it's wise to discount a philosophy based on people who abuse it. Not suggesting that you are doing that here, and I completely get the frustration with Hugh's abuse of his position as someone who created a persona of moral authority only to prove that he's not doing that great of a job in the moral and ethics department.

It would be interesting if he succumbed to the "boil a frog" deal where he slowly got sucked in to making worse decisions until he was a goner or if he planned and orchestrated all the bad behavior. My money would be on that amount of money being too enticing to walk away from and do the right thing, if that was ever even on his mind.

Whether it is money, sex, deceit, pride, whatever, I can say that the Bible predicted that focusing on those things would lead to destruction so it's at least right in that regard...
 

Chesusdog

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I took it as more of a shot at the way Hugh uses his "faith" to behave as though he is above reproach. If Hugh was an honest Christian he would not have lied, cheated, lied about cheating or continued to lie and cheat while being being investigated for lying and cheating.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is Hugh is a liar and a cheater and his martyr complex is wearing a bit thin.
 

horshack.sixpack

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And all the people said amen. I didn't disagree with the sentiment of the post so long as it isn't used a general weapon against Christianity because what Hugh is doing doesn't really line up with the instruction book, from all appearances. Therefore, the fact that it doesn't actually line up with the instruction book is a glaring indictment on him for claiming to be following something that he doesn't appear to be following.

You can't say that because this person isn't acting like a Christian, then Christianity is bad, which is a step that some take (not suggesting Sesh did). Hugh just appears to be dishonest which is not appealing to anyone, regardless of religious affiliation, or lack thereof.
 

msstatelp1

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I took it as more of a shot at the way Hugh uses his "faith" to behave as though he is above reproach. If Hugh was an honest Christian he would not have lied, cheated, lied about cheating or continued to lie and cheat while being being investigated for lying and cheating.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is Hugh is a liar and a cheater and his martyr complex is wearing a bit thin.

This. It's an obvious shot at Freeze hiding behind Christianity and those that refuse to see his hypocritical ways.
 

horshack.sixpack

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This. It's an obvious shot at Freeze hiding behind Christianity and those that refuse to see his hypocritical ways.

Modern day snake oil salesmen tend to use religion or multi-level marketing schemes. This might qualify as both, depending on how "The Network" is built.

"If you can just get 5 boosters who then get 5 boosters who then get 5 boosters. BAM! National Champeenchip, just like the Vaught days."
 

thatsbaseball

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My company sells "big ticket" items. Within the last week or two we got an inquiry via the internet about an expensive item we have advertised on-line. We're always glad to get such inquiries but in this case the company doing the inquiring had what we perceived to be a religious reference incorporated in the company name. Very sadly, due to the many many years of experience we have in the business, we all sensed we had better use a little extra "due diligence" before we got very deep into this potential transaction. We made a call to a trusted friend in the same state that the inquiry came from and immediately found out the inquirers were flat out crooks.

While it's certainly not mandated, the majority of our company are Christian guys who are active in their churches but would never ever attempt to used their faith as a sales tool. I'll go so far as to say if they did...they wouldn't be around long.

My point is that if you deal with the public long enough you'll learn to recognize when Christianity is being used/abused for all the wrong reasons. It's disgusting how much this happens but it's out there in plain sight everyday in many many places. Sad.
 

DerHntr

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Mod starting a religious thread is a bit unique. I'd only say that what Hugh has done is inexcusable and embarrassing. He's not the first or last high profile person to claim Christ and the do a bunch of stuff that doesn't look very Christ like. That being said, I don't think it's wise to discount a philosophy based on people who abuse it. Not suggesting that you are doing that here, and I completely get the frustration with Hugh's abuse of his position as someone who created a persona of moral authority only to prove that he's not doing that great of a job in the moral and ethics department.

It would be interesting if he succumbed to the "boil a frog" deal where he slowly got sucked in to making worse decisions until he was a goner or if he planned and orchestrated all the bad behavior. My money would be on that amount of money being too enticing to walk away from and do the right thing, if that was ever even on his mind.

Whether it is money, sex, deceit, pride, whatever, I can say that the Bible predicted that focusing on those things would lead to destruction so it's at least right in that regard...

His point is that Christianity is as much a security blanket for wrong doing as it is a marketing tool for Freeze.

What's funny to me is that even if Freeze wasn't a lying cheater, I would still detest him for marketing football with a religion. I have made this argument a few times on here since Freeze took over in Oxford: The primary reason so many people love that he uses religion like he does (preaching on the weekends, saving people, bringing up God at every news conference/interview, tweeting bible verses constantly) is because it is their same religion. In MS, if he was a Mormon, Jew, Muslim, Pentecostal, Jehova, SCIENTOLOGIST, and possibly even a Catholic, then the praise he receives for being so religious would be significantly less and likely seen as a major negative.
 
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horshack.sixpack

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It seems that that the most boisterous are often overcompensating for something that it actually lacking in their life in the area that they are the most boisterous about. That's kind of my litmus test for BS. You can be zealous about something, just not over-zealous about anything. And I get to define overzealous. :) For whatever reason, Hugh's shtick hasn't ever smelled right for me. I wonder what the response, if any, will be of the many churches and religious organizations that have given handed him a microphone and let him speak/preach in good faith that he was what he said he was?
 

Shmuley

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Generally, whenever I see an ichthys on an advertisement or display or banner or business card, I instinctively reach toward my wallet in a protective manner.
 

boatsandhoes

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Believe it or not, I think he thinks he is doing right. The problem is the om cult won't allow you to do right at the high levels. He's caught up in the whirlwind web of lies, and can't get out. Or maybe he knew all along, and tried to play the plausible deniability card. it's a solid question.

I think he knows/knew they were always full of recruiting shenanigans, and deceit. I have no idea how he justifies presiding over that mess.

I ask myself this, if he wasn't the coach of UM, and their shitheads didn't run him, would I still extremely dislike his tactics.

ETA: like he was the coach of some Other school, but he's not, he's in our domain.
 
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