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ssmill777

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This is why after four years, I think many on the staff will be looking for their next move. Players, Coaches, Recruits.. it all starts to fall apart if you do nothing. I don't think Trev can afford to do nothing.
This is the best post regarding our situation.
 
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This is why after four years, I think many on the staff will be looking for their next move. Players, Coaches, Recruits.. it all starts to fall apart if you do nothing. I don't think Trev can afford to do nothing.
This is why Trev needs to offer Frost a 2 year extension with a 20% raise and another $5 mill on the buyout. Today. That will convince everyone that Frost is staying and get everyone back on board.
 

pgainey

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I'm with you. Clearly Frost's performance has justified getting rid of him. If Trev wants to hold his hand, institute staff changes and try to teach him how to run a program, I will support it. But if I was Trev, I'm not sure I would.


will someone please breakdown the vast experience Trev has in running a football program. .....
 

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will someone please breakdown the vast experience Trev has in running a football program. .....

That is Trev's job, to ensure the athletic programs are running as he sees fit. I believe he knows how a successful athletic program should run and he has options as to how he chooses to get the football program there. You don't have to be a Hall of Fame football coach to work through goal setting, efficiency, evaluations of assistants, holding other accountable, etc.
 

JOHNNY N

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Nope. Personally I've seen improvement each & every year.
Not nearly enough improvement.

For the record, I don't have an opinion on firing or retaining him.

If TA pulls the plug I feel like Frost has had enough time and has come up short too often. If TA retaims him then I hope Frost 5th year is the year he puts a complete team together...coaches on down to kickers and everything in between.
 
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That is Trev's job, to ensure the athletic programs are running as he sees fit. I believe he knows how a successful athletic program should run and he has options as to how he chooses to get the football program there. You don't have to be a Hall of Fame football coach to work through goal setting, efficiency, evaluations of assistants, holding other accountable, etc.
But I think the question is where is your confidence coming from? What experience and success in this arena aside from a few years at UNO brings you to this belief?
 

pgainey

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That is Trev's job, to ensure the athletic programs are running as he sees fit. I believe he knows how a successful athletic program should run and he has options as to how he chooses to get the football program there. You don't have to be a Hall of Fame football coach to work through goal setting, efficiency, evaluations of assistants, holding other accountable, etc.

if the head coach of a power 5 school making 5 million a year needs the AD to sit him down after 4 disgraceful years and walk him through these most basic tenets of leadership then there is no way he should see year 5. ... he should go down to D2 or take a volunteer gig at another program and this time try to pay attention to what makes other coaches successful
 

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if the head coach of a power 5 school making 5 million a year needs the AD to sit him down after 4 disgraceful years and walk him through these most basic tenets of leadership then there is no way he should see year 5

Fair enough. I tend to agree.
 

chisler

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I guess I'm past all the bargaining.. if he does this, or that or the next goalpost move.

I actually think Scott would have more success at another school. He won't be haunted by his past here, and that is precisely the part that I think clouds his judgement and decision making. Getting different players, or coaches, or all the other stuff we may want to insert the blank with, still doesn't fix Scott and the screwups he continues to make.

I do believe his heart is in the right place, but he's lost the ability to be objective about things a long time ago. He's also so stubborn that even when he does try to turn the ship, it takes too long and ends up late. We shouldn't have a bunch of newbies on the offensive line in year 4. the team should mostly be juniors and seniors playing, and we see this on defense, but offense is in a constant state of rebuild due to player management issues and instead of having an OL ready, we have more running backs than we know what to do with.

So for me, the results no longer matter this season. You can't run the engine at 100% like we did and get over the hump. They sure did try, but that isn't the key to making lasting change.

Things have to change internally, inside Scott and how he does things, for that to start showing up on the field.

In order for him to be successful, he has to operate like a ceo.. delegating authority, holding coaches accountable, and making sound decisions to recruiting and player management.

He's done none of this and treats the offense like his own playground, and I believe he's been negligent at the head of it.

At what point are we going to change a 46 yo man? Sure everyone has something they have to overcome, I don't dog him for having issues to fix, but rather it's the effect on so many other people that get rekd who are along for the ride.. careers, hopes, & dreams.
5 mil. to fix problems
 

Flatout24

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It’s really a catch 22, if he is retained then there must be changes. BUT, in that case we’re trying to sell open coaching positions for a program with a lame duck coach in a sense cus he won’t make it to a 6th year if we lay another egg in season 5.
Imo we are what we’re gonna be, I don’t need to see a season 5 for any more assurance that’s it’s time for a change.
 

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But I think the question is where is your confidence coming from? What experience and success in this arena aside from a few years at UNO brings you to this belief?

He wasn’t at UNO a few years, he was there 12 years and I think he did a great job, like he has done in basically everything he’s tackled. I don’t think you need to have sat in the athletic department at Alabama to hold football coaches accountable. I feel good about Trev making this decision, apparently you don’t.
 

sparky4986

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Not nearly enough improvement.

For the record, I don't have an opinion on firing or retaining him.

If TA pulls the plug I feel like Frost has had enough time and has come up short too often. If TA retaims him then I hope Frost 5th year is the year he puts a complete team together...coaches on down to kickers and everything in between.
DB's, Lb's DL, WR, all improved.
 

pgainey

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It’s really a catch 22, if he is retained then there must be changes. BUT, in that case we’re trying to sell open coaching positions for a program with a lame duck coach in a sense cus he won’t make it to a 6th year if we lay another egg in season 5.
Imo we are what we’re gonna be, I don’t need to see a season 5 for any more assurance that’s it’s time for a change.

to me this is different from comparing the situation of Callahan needing a new def coordinator.

Frost is in charge of the offense - he has already had 2 off coordinators in 4 years.

a bunch of new offensive assistants isn’t addressing the problem
 
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He wasn’t at UNO a few years, he was there 12 years and I think he did a great job, like he has done in basically everything he’s tackled. I don’t think you need to have sat in the athletic department at Alabama to hold football coaches accountable. I feel good about Trev making this decision, apparently you don’t.
I don't really have an opinion either way. I was just wondering where all of the optimism is coming from given the lack of a bona-fide track record of coaching or administrative success at a major program. Not saying he can't. Just saying he never has. I hope he doesn't pull a switcheroo and eliminate the football program.
 
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I don't really have an opinion either way. I was just wondering where all of the optimism is coming from given the lack of a bona-fide track record of coaching or administrative success at a major program. Not saying he can't. Just saying he never has.
you iowa fans were optimistic about actually winning something this season, even though you never have
 

King Kong

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I won't even go so far as to say SF is learning on the job. Exactly, what the hell has he been learning?

NU continues to be a cluster. NU put a solid defense on the field this year due to Covid and the Super Seniors. If 2020 was a normal year and those Supe Seniors had graduated, NU defense would have been a level or two worse than they currently are.

Had the retention of those Super Seniors not been in place this year, I believe NU would have had their *** spanked a lot more than >= to 8 point losses.

SF isn't OJT, as they call it in the military. He hasn't learned **** as a head coach. He stuck with a QB who has proven unreliable in close games. He doesn't even have a ST coach that can improve from year to year.

He never ventured into the portal to try to find someone who could come in and challenge his anointed QB, much to the detriment of the entire team.

For crying out loud, Frost played for Bill Walsh, Tom Osborne, Bill Parcells, Mike Tomlin, John Gruden, and Bill Belicheck. Exactly, how in the hell can anyone explain that the guy doesn't know how to coach winning football?

You think any of those coaches/mentors wouldn't have yanked AM's *** is a heartbeat in past years? Do any of us think Parcells or Belicheck are going to tolerate one player or one coach who continues to be the difference between a possible win or a possible loss?

On the job training? What a joke. If SF were an assistant for ANY ONE of these coaches, and his position group performed like he has allowed his assistants to perform, every single coach would have fired his *** and sent him packing. Why? Because those coaches were in the business to win, not make friends.

SF played for coaches who throw the ball a lot, coaches who run the ball a lot, coaches who are super aggressive on defense, coaches that are proven to win with different styles and talent levels.

All these damn excuses for SF and his on the job training is an insult to all those great coaches who showed him the way to succeed, and to do so using many different methodologies.

Sorry for the rant. SF is 46 years old. He's not a kid, we need to quit treating him like one.

Bring it on, (nearly) all opinions will be respected.
Amen brother!
 

zrob_rivals105618

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I’ve reached the point that I would rather lose out to force a coaching change, instead of beating Purdue and tilt the scales towards retaining Frost.

I get where you're coming from but there's NOTHING that would EVER make me want the Huskers to lose to Iowa, I respect the program to a small extent but they have the douchiest fans on Rivals by far.

TBH, I don't want to lose to and NEVER would want to lose to Wisconsin or Ohio St for ANYTHING either.

I guess I'm trying to say I understand where you are coming from but I don't agree with it one bit. And I'm good with Frost being fired, he's earned it. But I won't flip my **** if he's allowed one more year, IF he at least beats Iowa.
 

NikkiSixx_rivals269993

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I think Trev should consider Chinander or Held for an interim to permanent head coach.

I think it's better to promote from within, and it keeps disruptions to a minimum. To me, there is nothing worse than hiring a new outside head coach and all the fallout that then happens with the entire staff turnover and change.

Erik, I believe has had full autonomy of the defense, and he's done a reasonably good job of not only recruiting to it but also player management. He has the same ideas as Frost, just better execution that I can tell. This also leads to less disruption.

Ryan Held is arguably the best recruiter on the staff, and this would follow Clemson's model of how they chose Dabo Sweeney as their new head coach. He was picked first and formost because he was the best recruiter on the staff.

Just a couple of ideas here, as I am not sure we need to burn it all down to the ground again, we just need to get the offense operating and the special teams and player management issues worked out.

I could see Chins taking over and see how he does overseeing the offensive side of the ball.

Four games isn't a lot, but it might give some insights before you have to make a more permanent decision.
 

leodisflowers

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I think Trev should consider Chinander or Held for an interim to permanent head coach.

I think it's better to promote from within, and it keeps disruptions to a minimum. To me, there is nothing worse than hiring a new outside head coach and all the fallout that then happens with the entire staff turnover and change.

Erik, I believe has had full autonomy of the defense, and he's done a reasonably good job of not only recruiting to it but also player management. He has the same ideas as Frost, just better execution that I can tell. This also leads to less disruption.

Ryan Held is arguably the best recruiter on the staff, and this would follow Clemson's model of how they chose Dabo Sweeney as their new head coach. He was picked first and formost because he was the best recruiter on the staff.

Just a couple of ideas here, as I am not sure we need to burn it all down to the ground again, we just need to get the offense operating and the special teams and player management issues worked out.

I could see Chins taking over and see how he does overseeing the offensive side of the ball.

Four games isn't a lot, but it might give some insights before you have to make a more permanent decision.
I am definitely come around to something like this. I like it.