ND - SFA Game

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Walkup is a very good player....I wish Rutgers Had him, but, he laid an egg on those two possessions. Two bad shots...it looks like he was trying to be the star.
 

AreYouNUTS

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The official who made the phantom call, on a 50/50 ball for a rebound after that shot with about a minute to go, should walk directly to the Brooklyn Bridge and jump in head first. Instead of no call, and Lumberjack ball with a new shot clock, ND gets the ball, makes 2 free throws, cuts the lead to 3. They were letting these guys play at both ends and you make THAT call? F*cking disgraceful IMHO.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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SFA had shooters making shots all game. Their offense was horrible the last 1.30 of the game. They gave ND that game.
 

goru7

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The official who made the phantom call, on a 50/50 ball for a rebound after that shot with about a minute to go, should walk directly to the Brooklyn Bridge and jump in head first. Instead of no call, and Lumberjack ball with a new shot clock, ND gets the ball, makes 2 free throws, cuts the lead to 3. They were letting these guys play at both ends and you make THAT call? F*cking disgraceful IMHO.
Not only that phantom call but the following one when Jackson drove and the SfA defender goes straight up and misses the layup and then the late whistle comes. The refs gave that game to Notre Dame.
That SfA team is so well coached and with hardly ever taking bad shots, and playing so hard on the defensive end. They are also a very smart basketball team. Had won 22 in a row, at least. Just a damn shame. Feel terrible for these kids.
Wish we get one player like Walkup , boy is that kid a great basketball player. Not meant as a slight to the rest of that team who are all really good players that make up whatever deficiencies in size by playing hard and with maximum effort.
Not to derail your point, but Brad Underwood can flat out coach and although we have a coach , he would have been someone that a national search would have revealed as a great choice
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goru7

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Good coach, but, I hate how he took the air out of the ball with less than 2 minutes to go.
He put it in his best players hands and trusted him to make great decisions like he normally does. Nothing wrong with that except he missed those 2 shots. Becomes a non issue, if refs don't blow those 2 critical calls and Notre Dane is fouling Walkup at the end of the game., where he had hit 21-22 of his last free throws. Not so dumb!!!
 

goru7

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The killer was the uncontested layup off the inbounds. Gave ND 2 points while taking no time off clock.
Notre Dame got damn lucky with that tip where it also looked that Auguste walked when he got the first rebound.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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IMO, You guys are letting your anti-ND bias get in the way. ND won because of the horrible SFA offense in the last 1.30. Walkup took an ill advised 3 point shot with 10 seconds on the clock coming out of a timeout. I'm sure that's not the play the coach drew up.
 
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ACC is incredibly luck so far. Not only did they get two #1 seeds, but almost everyone else in the ACC got to play a double digit seed in the second round: Duke got a 12 seed, Notre Dame got a 14 seed Syracuse got a 15 seed Miami got an 11 seed. I bet that's never happened before. The low, double digit seeds shoot the lights out in round one, but rarely can do it two games in a row.
 

AreYouNUTS

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IMO, You guys are letting your anti-ND bias get in the way. ND won because of the horrible SFA offense in the last 1.30. Walkup took an ill advised 3 point shot with 10 seconds on the clock coming out of a timeout. I'm sure that's not the play the coach drew up.

Sorry but if the official doesn't make that lousy call they can run another 25-30 seconds off the clock and possibly take a 7-point lead and completely different final minute. Instead, he makes the "ghost" call, ND scores, 3-point game.
 
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IMO, You guys are letting your anti-ND bias get in the way. ND won because of the horrible SFA offense in the last 1.30. Walkup took an ill advised 3 point shot with 10 seconds on the clock coming out of a timeout. I'm sure that's not the play the coach drew up.

Why can't it be both? Yeah sfaustin didn't get off the best offensive plays in the last minute but you can't dismiss the call(s) at the end either.
*yes ND is my least favorite team in the tournament.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Sorry but if the official doesn't make that lousy call they can run another 25-30 seconds off the clock and possibly take a 7-point lead and completely different final minute. Instead, he makes the "ghost" call, ND scores, 3-point game.

Teams have to control what they can on the court....they can't do anything about a call, but, they can make sure they don't take horrible shots with a minute or so left in the game.

Walkup tried to be star that wins the game and he blow it with bad shots at the end instead of running the offense and try to get off another open shot....which they were making all game. Tried to be the hero and ended up the goat.
 
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Looked to me like an SFA player got pushed in the back just before the final tip in for the win. If he wasn't pushed he might have gotten the rebound or at least made the the tip in much less likely.
 

BigEastPhil

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Piscataway Mike and myself were at the games today at Barclays and on Friday.

Overwhelming pro SFA crowd....was disappointed they lost
 

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Piscataway Mike and myself were at the games today at Barclays and on Friday.

Overwhelming pro SFA crowd....was disappointed they lost
So much for the myth of ND having all these fans in New York. Place was a partisan SFA crowd.
 

BigEastPhil

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So much for the myth of ND having all these fans in New York. Place was a partisan SFA crowd.
Notre Dame never attracted huge fan support even when playing at MSG in BET.

Friday Nights' game vs Michigan had an overwhelming Michigan alumni and fan base support as well over the Irish
 

RU_Planning

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Walkup is a very good player....I wish Rutgers Had him, but, he laid an egg on those two possessions. Two bad shots...it looks like he was trying to be the star.
Brad Underwood (SFA coach) was explicitly calling for 4 low on those possessions with Walkup doing what he did. Obviously he usually scores or gets to the free throw line in those situation, but in the case he did not. I personally don't like the whole taking the air out of the ball strategy to close games with a lead, but coaches forever use this tactic and some get away with it (Iowa vs Temple on Friday) and others don't.

The over the back call on the rebound was atrocious as the refs were not calling anything like that the entire game. It is unfortunate that the refs made calls like that at the end, because overall I thought they did an excellent job of lettings the teams play what was a very exciting and clean game. I guess Christie was throwing his weight around (he was in the ND locker room after the game).

Based on Underwood's post game comments I could see this being his last game at SFA. He is 59-1 against Southland competition, which is incredible regardless of the level of basketball. However, if they are able to keep an assistant to keep the similar style they will be in good shape. Holyfield is a sophomore and I think he has a lot of Walkup's basketball sense (game seems to really slow down for him, very under control), but with NBA-level frame and athletic ability. I think Underwood could be successful at Oklahoma State with his style of play, as I think his style won't work with the elite HS players, but he can get the guys a ring below to buy in and be a very good team. However, if he passes on OSU and sticks around, I think he is waiting for Bruce Webber to finally get the ax at Kansas State so he can coach at his alma mater.
 

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Teams have to control what they can on the court....they can't do anything about a call, but, they can make sure they don't take horrible shots with a minute or so left in the game.

Walkup tried to be star that wins the game and he blow it with bad shots at the end instead of running the offense and try to get off another open shot....which they were making all game. Tried to be the hero and ended up the goat.
See my previous post. Walkup was doing EXACTLY what his coach wanted him to do. He didn't finish or get fouled, that was the difference.
 

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ACC did get lucky, the Cuse did not get MSU and Duke probably has more problems with Baylor.
 

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We made 1 more play than they did. I've seen the replay twice and Auguste didn't walk. Hustle play by Pfleuger and we're still alive.

I thought Jackson got hit----if the defender was planted and he goes vertical it's a no call or an offensive but he came from an angle and bumped him. They're going to call that.

Getting the cheap 2 off the inbounds to me was a huge play. An easy one with no time taken off the clock is something you can't have happen in that type of game.

Crowd was pro SFA no doubt about it.
 

goru7

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We made 1 more play than they did. I've seen the replay twice and Auguste didn't walk. Hustle play by Pfleuger and we're still alive.

I thought Jackson got hit----if the defender was planted and he goes vertical it's a no call or an offensive but he came from an angle and bumped him. They're going to call that.

Getting the cheap 2 off the inbounds to me was a huge play. An easy one with no time taken off the clock is something you can't have happen in that type of game.

Crowd was pro SFA no doubt about it.
How about the foul call on the tip out that Nuts mentioned? That is another one. A series of bad calls at the end gave the Irish life. The tip in was an awesome play.
 

TDIrish27

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Oh and he's the last word ?

The refs deliberately cheated to give ND the game.

Got it .
 

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that Walkup shot at about 1:10 killed them, at worst you run clock and get a better percentage shot and if you dont score, you may wind up with a situation where ND has to foul you to get the ball back even if they score on their next possession
 

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IMO, You guys are letting your anti-ND bias get in the way. ND won because of the horrible SFA offense in the last 1.30. Walkup took an ill advised 3 point shot with 10 seconds on the clock coming out of a timeout. I'm sure that's not the play the coach drew up.

This is soo spot on, SFA sucked in the last 2 mins, ND took advantage ! You make your own luck