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.The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel today approved allowing the transmission of live statistics to the bench area for coaching purposes in men’s basketball, beginning with the 2021-22 season.

Conferences have experimented with live stats for the past two seasons and received positive feedback.

The NCAA Men’s Basketball Rules Committee supported an experimental rule for the upcoming season to allow teams to view live video and preloaded video on their bench during conference games only should the conference submit a waiver request for the experimental rule.

If a conference chooses to use this experimental rule, it will be a conference’s decision as to the type of appropriate technology that may be used.

Teams would not be allowed to use the rule in nonconference games.


 
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Russ Wood said:
The second time is the charm as the saying goes. I never understood why the women didn't approve moving the three-point line when it came up for a vote in 2019 when the men voted to move the line back.

Now if they'd only approve widening the lane for MBB to the NBA width. I could care less if WBB approves widening the lane.
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Why?
 
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Wish they would go to 4 Quarters instead of the 2 Halves and adopt the NBA FT Policy for being in the Penalty.
 
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Russ Wood said:
A wider lane combined with moving the three-point line further back would, theoretically, open the floor and give the offense bigger passing and driving lanes.
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My thinking is wide lane means less post ups and deemphasizes getting closer shots even more.

I think a further back 3 point line leads to more clownish shots and makes the game even less than what basketball is supposed to be.

I really don’t know what the solution is to people mastering the 3 point shot and having the game morph more in to a shooting contest and away from moving without the ball, setting screens away, etc.
 
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My thinking is wide lane means less post ups and deemphasizes getting closer shots even more.

I think a further back 3 point line leads to more clownish shots and makes the game even less than what basketball is supposed to be.

I really don’t know what the solution is to people mastering the 3 point shot and having the game morph more in to a shooting contest and away from moving without the ball, setting screens away, etc.
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I think if you widen the lane more guys will be able to get paint touches to make floaters and short jumpers.

I like the three-point line where it is now. My issue with NCAA division 1 men's basketball three-point shooting is that too many guys who are not good three-point shooters are taking too many 3-point attempts.
 
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Russ Wood said:
I think if you widen the lane more guys will be able to get paint touches to make floaters and short jumpers.

I like the three-point line where it is now. My issue with NCAA division 1 men's basketball three-point shooting is that too many guys who are not good three-point shooters are taking too many 3-point attempts.
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We have a few of them that wear scarlet
 
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Russ Wood said:
I think if you widen the lane more guys will be able to get paint touches to make floaters and short jumpers.

I like the three-point line where it is now. My issue with NCAA division 1 men's basketball three-point shooting is that too many guys who are not good three-point shooters are taking too many 3-point attempts.
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while that might be true for some teams it does not really hold in aggregate. If you look at major conference teams last year and restrict to only conference play (to weed out overmatched patsies inflating stats), teams actually shot better on 3s than 2s. By that I mean the median 3 pt percentage (34%) was a more valuable shot than the median 2 pt percentage (49%).

So major conference teams are not seeing too many 3s taken by bad shooters, if anything they could stand to take a bit more (until eFG% of 3s falls to equal the 2s) or take fewer long 2s.
 
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blockm2 said:
while that might be true for some teams it does not really hold in aggregate. If you look at major conference teams last year and restrict to only conference play (to weed out overmatched patsies inflating stats), teams actually shot better on 3s than 2s. By that I mean the median 3 pt percentage (34%) was a more valuable shot than the median 2 pt percentage (49%).

So major conference teams are not seeing too many 3s taken by bad shooters, if anything they could stand to take a bit more (until eFG% of 3s falls to equal the 2s) or take fewer long 2s.
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It makes sense that would be like case for major conferences. I care about CBB as a whole not just the HM conferences
 
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Russ Wood said:
It makes sense that would be like case for major conferences. I care about CBB as a whole not just the HM conferences
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well in that case you will be happy to know it held true for all of CBB last year and not just high major teams. The 173rd ranked 2 pt shooting team was inferior to the 173rd ranked 3 pt shooting team amongst the 345 teams that had conference stats on Torvik

I just had not bothered to look the first time around because most fans of high major hoops don’t really care about trends in some of the more horrible conferences.
 
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blockm2 said:
while that might be true for some teams it does not really hold in aggregate. If you look at major conference teams last year and restrict to only conference play (to weed out overmatched patsies inflating stats), teams actually shot better on 3s than 2s. By that I mean the median 3 pt percentage (34%) was a more valuable shot than the median 2 pt percentage (49%).

So major conference teams are not seeing too many 3s taken by bad shooters, if anything they could stand to take a bit more (until eFG% of 3s falls to equal the 2s) or take fewer long 2s.
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I don't have too much of an opinion on this because I basically only watch Rutgers games but I'm not sure the stats you posted imply that there aren't a lot of bad shooters taking too many 3s. On average, sure, the 3-point shot is still probably being taken too little, but that's the average of some guys who are shooting it very well and some who are shooting it badly.

Also, 100% on the fewer long 2s.
 
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Just psychologically I think it's hard for people to accept a lot of the time that a shot that goes in 35% of the time is better than one that goes in 50%. Like I'm not saying they don't accept the math but when you're watching the game the 35% shot just feels less successful because it misses a lot.
 
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fluoxetine said:
I don't have too much of an opinion on this because I basically only watch Rutgers games but I'm not sure the stats you posted imply that there aren't a lot of bad shooters taking too many 3s. On average, sure, the 3-point shot is still probably being taken too little, but that's the average of some guys who are shooting it very well and some who are shooting it badly.

Also, 100% on the fewer long 2s.
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that is why I said individual teams can have poor shot selection but at the global level of d1 hoops the 3 point shots being taken are better than the 2 point shots being taken.

To whatever degree there are bad 3s being taken, the 2s are even a bigger problem.
 
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My thinking is wide lane means less post ups and deemphasizes getting closer shots even more.

I think a further back 3 point line leads to more clownish shots and makes the game even less than what basketball is supposed to be.

I really don’t know what the solution is to people mastering the 3 point shot and having the game morph more in to a shooting contest and away from moving without the ball, setting screens away, etc.
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You do realize your last sentence contradicts the first one.
Post-ups stop the ball are an isolation plays where 1 player has the ball and everyone else stands around.

The only isolation play that deemphasizes getting closer shots is a step-back 3 which only the elite players use often (and nobody uses as a primary offense except Harden/Rockets).
Pretty much everyone agrees it's a boring approach (except maybe Rockets fans when it was working for them the last couple of years).

So you want people setting screens and moving without the ball but then not shoot it? Catch it and drive to the hoop for a layup?
And where exactly are they doing all this moving? Within 15ft of the basket?
To me it looks like a lot of guys bumping into each other with no spacing.


PnR or Drive and Kick shots occur as a 2nd option after the defense has stopped the initial drive and collapsed.
If those shooters are all closer to the basket - the defense can recover quicker and stop the offense.
Hence offensive players will naturally move further and further out to get a clean look.

Not really sure how you envision this iso Post-Heavy, no shooting offense working with everyone all crammed into the paint.
 
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When Myles got the ball in low post he looked for cutters off the ball. He looked for guys on the perimeter.

stopping a dominant big leads to doubling which should lead to more ball movement
 
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Why do you think pike is struggling so
Much to retain talent and get players in the portal?
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Is he really struggling so much to retain talent or is Rutgers going through what just about every other program in the country is going through?

Programs all over the country are having players enter the transfer portal. Largely due to the free year all the players are being given by the NCAA.

Regarding the second portion of your question I don't have an answer for you because I'm not watching very closely who Rutgers is targeting in the portal.
 
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