NCAA releases top 16 teams

[bac2therac]

• South (Houston): (1) Baylor, (2) Louisville, (3) Seton Hall, (4) Auburn
• Midwest (Indianapolis): (1) Kansas, (2) Dayton, (3) Florida St., (4) Michigan St.
• West (Los Angeles): (1) Gonzaga, (2) West Virginia, (3) Villanova, (4) Oregon
• East (New York City): (1) San Diego St., (2) Duke, (3) Maryland, (4) Butler

 

[dconifer0]

Krzyzewski will not be happy to see Turtles in his bracket...

edit: not out of fear, but he really took it to heart when Maryland left his conference.

 

[bac2therac]

the actual order

1. Baylor

2. Kansas

3. Gonzaga

4. San Diego St.

5. Duke

6. Dayton

7. Louisville

8. West Virginia

9. Maryland

10. Florida St.

11. Seton Hall

12. Villanova

13. Auburn

14. Oregon

15. Butler

16. Michigan St

 

[BigEastPhil]

Would love to see Maryland beat rat face’s squad. Rat face will never schedule Maryland again because they left ACC however rat face didn’t care how ACC poached Big East. Hypocrite !

 

[Mikemarc]

the actual order

1. Baylor

2. Kansas

3. Gonzaga

4. San Diego St.

5. Duke

6. Dayton

7. Louisville

8. West Virginia

9. Maryland

10. Florida St.

11. Seton Hall

12. Villanova

13. Auburn

14. Oregon

15. Butler

16. Michigan St

Jeez. If I were SDSU I’d prefer to be 5th..thus being a 2 seed and placed in West bracket. If difference between being last #1 or first #2 seed is playing in LA or cross country in NY, give me the 2nd seed!

 

[BigLou]

When the hell did San Diego State get so good? I have to start staying up for those west coast games.

 

[Vegas pj]

Am I reading that correctly? The BE has 3 teams in the top 15. Not ad for such a week conference. Oh, and the BIG's Maryland did go down to a depleted SH squad. Life is just not fair.

 

[FireBugOBJC]

Long time Steve Fischer assistant running the show, hes no slouch

 

[dconifer0]

Would love to see Maryland beat rat face’s squad. Rat face will never schedule Maryland again because they left ACC however rat face didn’t care how ACC poached Big East. Hypocrite !

Yeah, we Marylanders took a lot of grief as "no-good disloyal carpetbaggers" from fans of the other ACC founders when the departure was announced. But somehow, the teams that left the Big East to join the ACC were NOT ""no-good disloyal carpetbaggers," they were "eager, ambitious programs."

 

[RUChoppin]

Am I reading that correctly? The BE has 3 teams in the top 15. Not ad for such a week conference. Oh, and the BIG's Maryland did go down to a depleted SH squad. Life is just not fair.

Given the BE's track record, most will lose in the first two rounds regardless of their seeding.

 

[Vegas pj]

Given the BE's track record, most will lose in the first two rounds regardless of their seeding.

[roll][roll]

 

[RUChoppin]

Sorry, I still think of the Round of 64 and Round of 32 as the first two rounds.... I mean that most will lose in the first weekend regardless of their seeding.

In the last 5 seasons, the Big East has sent 28 teams to the NCAA tournament (including 8 seeded 4th or better), and only 5 made it to the second weekend (including just 3 of the 8 seeded 4th or better).

2019:
5 seed - Marquette - Lost Round of 64
6 seed - Villanova - Lost Round of 32
10 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 64
11 seed - SJU - Lost in First 4

2018:
1 seed - Villanova - Won NC
1 seed - Xavier - Lost Round of 32
8 seed - Creighton - Lost Round of 64
8 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 32
10 seed - Butler - Lost Round of 32
10 seed - Providence - Lost Round of 64

2017:
1 seed - Villanova - Lost Round of 32
4 seed - Butler - Lost Sweet 16
6 seed - Creighton - Lost Round of 64
9 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 64
10 seed - Marquette - Lost Round of 64
11 seed - Providence - Lost in First 4
11 seed - Xavier - Lost Elite 8

2016:
2 seed - Villanova - Won NC
2 seed - Xavier - Lost Round of 32
5 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 64
9 seed - Providence - Lost Round of 32
9 seed - Butler - Lost Round of 32

2015:
1 seed - Villanova - Lost Round of 32
4 seed - Georgetown - Lost Round of 32
6 seed - Xavier - Lost Sweet 16
6 seed - Butler - Lost Round of 32
6 seed - Providence - Lost Round of 64
9 seed - SJU - Lost Round of 64

 

[Vegas pj]

Sorry, I still think of the Round of 64 and Round of 32 as the first two rounds.... I mean that most will lose in the first weekend regardless of their seeding.

In the last 5 seasons, the Big East has sent 28 teams to the NCAA tournament (including 8 seeded 4th or better), and only 5 made it to the second weekend (including just 3 of the 8 seeded 4th or better).

2019:
5 seed - Marquette - Lost Round of 64
6 seed - Villanova - Lost Round of 32
10 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 64
11 seed - SJU - Lost in First 4

2018:
1 seed - Villanova - Won NC
1 seed - Xavier - Lost Round of 32
8 seed - Creighton - Lost Round of 64
8 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 32
10 seed - Butler - Lost Round of 32
10 seed - Providence - Lost Round of 64

2017:
1 seed - Villanova - Lost Round of 32
4 seed - Butler - Lost Sweet 16
6 seed - Creighton - Lost Round of 64
9 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 64
10 seed - Marquette - Lost Round of 64
11 seed - Providence - Lost in First 4
11 seed - Xavier - Lost Elite 8

2016:
2 seed - Villanova - Won NC
2 seed - Xavier - Lost Round of 32
5 seed - Seton Hall - Lost Round of 64
9 seed - Providence - Lost Round of 32
9 seed - Butler - Lost Round of 32

2015:
1 seed - Villanova - Lost Round of 32
4 seed - Georgetown - Lost Round of 32
6 seed - Xavier - Lost Sweet 16
6 seed - Butler - Lost Round of 32
6 seed - Providence - Lost Round of 64
9 seed - SJU - Lost Round of 64

Based on this scenario BE is due for another national championship.

 

[RUChoppin]

Based on this scenario BE is due for another national championship.

Well, Villanova might be. No one else in the BE has threatened to do that so far, and I doubt they will this year.

Maybe this will be the year that Seton Hall gets to the second weekend again, though. You break your 20 year streak of bowing out early the same year we break our 29 year streak of not making the tourney? I'll take it.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

why is Duke a 5? why do they always push Duke to the East?

 

[bac2therac]

Duke is a 5 because they deserve to be a 5..do you want them as a 4

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

current seeind and their (NET ranks from Feb 7)

1. Baylor (2)

2. Kansas (4)

3. Gonzaga (3)

4. San Diego St. (1)

5. Duke (6)

6. Dayton (5)

7. Louisville (7) ** (8) Arizona is not in top 16.. sanctions?

8. West Virginia (10)

9. Maryland (9)

10. Florida St. (14)

11. Seton Hall (13)

12. Villanova (15) **(16) Ohio State did not make it

13. Auburn (17)

14. Oregon (19) **(18 Colorado did not get in over 19 Oregon?)

15. Butler (11)

16. Michigan St (12) lost today to Michigan

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Duke is a 5 because they deserve to be a 5..do you want them as a 4

Why isn't Dayton the 5? I suppose though if you are Dayton you'd prefer the Midwest and if you are Duke you'd prefer the East.

I thought NET was supposed to solve all these questions about seedings.

 

[bac2therac]

Net is a guide. Duke plays a tougher schedule than Dayton

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Net is a guide. Duke plays a tougher schedule than Dayton

I thought NET takes that into account.. objectively

Worse, I think, was giving Gonzaga the West instead of SDState

 

[tpbtpb17]

Michigan State is 16-8.

They must have played a lot of Quad 1 games to still be ranked #12 in NET.

Arizona at #8 also seems high.

It seems NET is more of a guideline than definitive ranking system as they didn't rank Arizona. They said the next three in consideration were Iowa, Kentucky, and LSU.

 

[bac2therac]

Arizona has a sos of 6. They played Gonzaga and Baylor and lost both by less than 5. Good wins in Illinos and Colorado but nothing spectacular. They are probably the last 5 seed borderline top 6 seed.

NET is a sorting tool. Its a guide but they arent going to just take the rankings in order.

 

[bac2therac]

I thought NET takes that into account.. objectively

Worse, I think, was giving Gonzaga the West instead of SDState

Duke has a sos of 7 while Gonzaga and SdSt are in the 100s, only reason those teams are 1s is because they arent losing and Duke lost 3....two stunning losses to SF Austin and Clemson but their wins of Louisville, Kansas and Michgan State dwarf what either Gonzaga or SDSt has done

Gonzaga has a toughie at St Marys tonight, if they lost that one, I think Duke moves to a one seed.

 

[tpbtpb17]

Arizona has a sos of 6. They played Gonzaga and Baylor and lost both by less than 5. Good wins in Illinos and Colorado but nothing spectacular. They are probably the last 5 seed borderline top 6 seed.

NET is a sorting tool. Its a guide but they arent going to just take the rankings in order.

They just lost to a 12-11 UCLA team, at home, by thirteen points. A UCLA team with a 112 NET ranking, no less. Now 16-7 overall. Only two Quad 1 wins. Most likely knocked out of the AP top 25.

We'll see if their NET takes a hit as well.

Also, don't understand how their SOS is 6. Yea, they played Baylor and Gonzaga, but they also played a lot of cupcakes early on in their schedule.

Northern Arizona 201 NET
San Jose State 263 NET
New Mexico State 113 NET
South Dakota State 127 NET
Long Beach State 306 NET
Pepperdine 133 NET
Penn 147 NET
Wake Forest 105 NET
Omaha 218 NET

Now, you take a look at all those cupcakes and explain to me how they end up with a 6 SOS. Color me unimpressed.

 

[bac2therac]

They just lost to a 12-11 UCLA team, at home, by thirteen points. A UCLA team with a 112 NET ranking, no less. Now 16-7 overall. Only two Quad 1 wins. Most likely knocked out of the AP top 25.

We'll see if their NET takes a hit as well.

Also, don't understand how their SOS is 6. Yea, they played Baylor and Gonzaga, but they also played a lot of cupcakes early on in their schedule.

Northern Arizona 201 NET
San Jose State 263 NET
New Mexico State 113 NET
South Dakota State 127 NET
Long Beach State 306 NET
Pepperdine 133 NET
Penn 147 NET
Wake Forest 105 NET
Omaha 218 NET

Now, you take a look at all those cupcakes and explain to me how they end up with a 6 SOS. Color me unimpressed.

Despite the loss tonight, Arizona is in good shape, when you play 2 and 3 your sos is going to be through the roof.

They also have wins over Colorado, Illinois, Arizona State and USC...ASU played their way close to the field if not barely in and USC while sliding still is probably in. Those 4 wins are pretty solid and the loses to Oregon, Baylor and Gonzaga are by 10 combined.

The UCLA certainly hurts them seeding wise going forward but they would have start losing games in bunches for them to worry. I have them currently as a 6 after this loss. Their NET should drop but they should still stay in the top 20

 

[BuggsyRU]

Am I reading that correctly? The BE has 3 teams in the top 15. Not ad for such a week conference. Oh, and the BIG's Maryland did go down to a depleted SH squad. Life is just not fair.

yes, and Seton Hall also got manhandled by one Big Ten team (RU) and also lost to another (Mich State.)

So they are 1-2 vs the Big Ten.