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Travis25

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Facundo was stuck behind some studs at psu but I get what youre saying. Now if were comparing natural talent levels I doubt theres anyone on this board that would disagree if I say Dee has the most talent on the team. So if one has a lot more talent then the other and their results are the same at the end of the year...?

It would be great for those two if they only had to compete against one another for a spot. However, we have several more guys than just Dee and Facundo with the potential to score 10+ points at 165. You can bet DT is running through potential lineups in his head that don't include either of them.
 

vhsalum

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It would be great for those two if they only had to compete against one another for a spot. However, we have several more guys than just Dee and Facundo with the potential to score 10+ points at 165. You can bet DT is running through potential lineups in his head that don't include either of them.
True.

Swiddy at 165 is going to be interesting
 

osufanatic4life

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True.

Swiddy at 165 is going to be interesting
I like the ski a lot, but at 149 I felt that his length as average or maybe even slightly below.
Him at 65, I see a lot of the same frustrations that both Ryder at 84 and Panda at 97 struggled with this past season with length and reach.
 

Howie_Fartz

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As far as Jax vs Dee and athleticism, personally I had Jax in that "funkytown" Ben Askren type category in my head while Dee is what is considered more of a pure athlete. To me anyway.

Guys battling for 165 is 100% what we need.
From Alex Id like to see a guy that doesnt have to give up a td to start scoring himself. A guy who finishes when he gets in more often than not.
From Dee Id like to see a guy who doesnt look like he's resting every chance he gets. No sitting on the edge and crawling back to center. A guy who doesnt sit on a lead and never backs up.
From Swi Id like to see what he can add to his arsenal if hes not battling weight but can just work on gettin better.

No clue but I bet Routledge will be up at 74 with him and Ish giving Norman breaks.
 
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Cowboy1989

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As far as Jax vs Dee and athleticism, personally I had Jax in that "funkytown" Ben Askren type category in my head while Dee is what is considered more of a pure athlete. To me anyway.

Guys battling for 165 is 100% what we need.
From Alex Id like to see a guy that doesnt have to give up a td to start scoring himself. A guy who finishes when he gets in more often than not.
From Dee Id like to see a guy who doesnt look like he's resting every chance he gets. A guy who doesnt sit on a lead and never backs up.
From Swi Id like to see what he can add to his arsenal if hes not battling weight but can just work on gettin better.

No clue but I bet Routledge will be up at 74 with him and Ish giving Norman breaks.
Askren had technique that almost nobody was using at the time and nobody knew how to counter it giving him a huge advantage, that is not the case in today's wrestling world. Askren was slow, not that strong, not very explosive at all, slow twitch. Jax is fast, very high twitch, explosive, with very good wrestling strength - grip, back, hips. They have had very good balance and body awareness, although I would argue Jax's is better.
 

Howie_Fartz

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Askren had technique that almost nobody was using at the time and nobody knew how to counter it giving him a huge advantage, that is not the case in today's wrestling world. Askren was slow, not that strong, not very explosive at all, slow twitch. Jax is fast, very high twitch, explosive, with very good wrestling strength - grip, back, hips. They have had very good balance and body awareness, although I would argue Jax's is better.
I dont disagree necessarily but Jax is so funky and tends to do things no one else seems to be doing? His scrambling is ahead of everyone else by a mile.
 
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newguy123

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meh... No need to act like a boot licker either. I don't think there was one thing said that isn't fairly well known. Some may happen to like him but it doesn't make it untrue.
Calling people on disrespect ain't licking boots. Some folks need occasional reminding that this isn't the Iowa board. I'll leave it at that.
 

newguy123

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As far as Jax vs Dee and athleticism, personally I had Jax in that "funkytown" Ben Askren type category in my head while Dee is what is considered more of a pure athlete. To me anyway.

Guys battling for 165 is 100% what we need.
From Alex Id like to see a guy that doesnt have to give up a td to start scoring himself. A guy who finishes when he gets in more often than not.
From Dee Id like to see a guy who doesnt look like he's resting every chance he gets. No sitting on the edge and crawling back to center. A guy who doesnt sit on a lead and never backs up.
From Swi Id like to see what he can add to his arsenal if hes not battling weight but can just work on gettin better.

No clue but I bet Routledge will be up at 74 with him and Ish giving Norman breaks.
Agreed... Alex not needing the comeback energy and Dee not playing head games both sounds great. Easier said than done!

Routledge is a beast. I'd love to see him jump to a high level. Can tell he works his tail off.
 

vhsalum

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Olive branch extended, lol.

Any insight on if he'll do well? Some guys do great on full feed, others struggle... not sure what the difference maker is here.
LOL!!!

but yeah... he's a 149.

So not sure it's really going to work out. Might need to hunt down Calcagno and hit an old school Cowboy Bulk Job.

His biggest problem is the room. Both Dee and Facundo are much bigger than him. So if he's not cutting as much, he'll need to exert himself a lot more and a lot more often.
 
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