NC State COVID timeline

[00Dawg]

Apologies if Germans

https://d1baseball.com/analysis/nc-states-cws-removal-the-timeline-of-events/

I'm still left wondering, given the tests available now:
1. Where the NCAA rule is that allowed them to remove all unvaccinated players, and then how none of them got test results back in time to get back to the game.
2. Why the NCAA was able to force the forfeit if NC State still had 10 negative, vaccinated players, and 20+ potentially healthy unvaccinated.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Sort of what EVERYBODY is wondering

this stuff still stinks.

Real Answers are in order.

 

[8dog]

I dont understand it all but your postseason roster is somewhere around 27 so you would never have 10+ healthy vaxxed and 20 potentially healthy unvaxxed.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

And the Douglas County health department said they never recommended pulling all the players.

This whole thing reeks

 

[PineGroveBully]

Perhaps some of those left off the postseason roster still travel with the team and in case of injury/Illness can be replaced? Idk, just thinking out loud/asking

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

If they were testing and removing vaccinated members of the NC State team, shouldn't they test the vaccinated Vandy players? I would demand it if I were Cohen.

 

[RocketDawg]

Are our players being tested as well? Hope nothing untoward happens before tomorrow night's game.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Perhaps some of those left off the postseason roster still travel with the team and in case of injury/Illness can be replaced? Idk, just thinking out loud/asking

Got to be on the travel roster to play.

 

[00Dawg]

Good point on the numbers.

So should have roughly 10 healthy vaccinated, 9 healthy unvaccinated, and 8 infected.

ETA:
For anyone who thinks this is likely poking another hole in the narrative that breakthrough infections are rare, you are correct.
Through April 30th, the CDC had recorded breakthrough cases at 0.01%. Between the Wolfpack and the Yankees staff, it's pretty obvious it's much, much higher, but just not being reported because the infected are asymptomatic.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

Sounds like if we have any unvaccinated players, they would get tested today.

 

[RocketDawg]

Let's hope we're all vaccinated then. Teams been using the same dressing rooms, etc. Vandy players should go through the same protocol, even moreso since they actually played a game against NC State and were up close and personal with their players.

 

[RocketDawg]

I dont understand it all but your postseason roster is somewhere around 27 so you would never have 10+ healthy vaxxed and 20 potentially healthy unvaxxed.

They should let the entire team be travel eligible. They may not have played but contributed in some way just by being in uniform at the home games.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Seems very obvious that they should have let the vaccinated negatives play on Saturday like they did on Friday.

It also seems pretty obvious that the NCAA should have allowed larger travel rosters with COVID in mind, or had some kind of reserve roster procedure that allowed for replacement of COVID positives.

I've been and remain very critical of the 2B who was unvaccinated, symptomatic, and positive, but this was extremely unfair to the players who protected themselves and got screwed on account of someone else.

 

[Ralph Cramden]

Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you can't contract Covid. Thousands of people have contracted Covid after being vaccinated. Not to mention blood clots and enlarged hearts. But thats another discussion.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

Imagine if ncstate had won that game. Anybody think NCAAW declares us champs after we beat Texas? We’d be sitting a week to get their players through protocol right now

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Imagine if ncstate had won that game. Anybody think NCAAW declares us champs after we beat Texas? We’d be sitting a week to get their players through protocol right now

It's been widely reported that the winner of our game with Texas would have been declared National Champions if Vandy had lost to NC State.

 

[msstate7]

Check out this from the comments



...
Is this true?

 

[8dog]

https://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/covid-19-medical-advisory-group

 

[PineGroveBully]

I had read the TD Ameritrade actually has 4 locker/dresser rooms so thankfully those likely weren’t shared. Still, to close for comfort with a natty on the line.

 

[SirBarksalot]

Avent should have never publicly said some players had “a bug”. Although if they were too ill to play, the gig would have been up anyway.

As an aside, my daughter woke up with a fever today and some allergy symptoms. She got 2 COVID tests in 30 minutes (first came back invalid). She’s negative.

not sure how that fits, but the story is confusing.

 

[Bill Shankly]

Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you can't contract Covid. Thousands of people have contracted Covid after being vaccinated. Not to mention blood clots and enlarged hearts. But thats another discussion.

You do know that COVID causes those problems too, right? Also it's much, much more common and more severe.

 

[8dog]

I dont understand how an event this big cant get a PCR turned around quickly. But yeah this is a little bit of “no good deed goes unpunished”

 

[Crazy Cotton]

How would they know?

 

[ckDOG]

Breakthrough infection rate is probably 10% or more.

So should have roughly 10 healthy vaccinated, 9 healthy unvaccinated, and 8 infected.

ETA:
For anyone who thinks this is likely poking another hole in the narrative that breakthrough infections are rare, you are correct.
Through April 30th, the CDC had recorded breakthrough cases at 0.01%. Between the Wolfpack and the Yankees staff, it's pretty obvious it's much, much higher, but just not being reported because the infected are asymptomatic.

0.01% is low for a couple reasons:

1) it’s point in time. If you are vaccinated, you don’t check one day later and that’s it. If you ever test positive, you’ll raise that 0.01% (and April was still early in the vaccine lifespan).

2) The actual calculated will always be way lower than real world as most people with breakthrough infections will never know it and have no reason to get tests and get classified as one. You’re breakthrough population is bound to be heavily skewed to populations subject to regular testing.

I think the 90% advertised rate was probably pretty honest and damn good. Even if real world ends up well lower at 75% with low hospitalization on the 25% breakthrough population you’re left with a pretty damn good vaccine.

All that said - baseball players are subjected to dumb rules. At this point in the pandemic there’s no reason to subject the players to the same restrictions that would have made sense in the thick of pandemic. Leave it at this - if you show symptoms and you are unvaccinated you get tested. If negative, you sit out. That’s basically what the treatment for the crowd is and the NCAA has no qualms for that system and taking their money to fill the stadium.

 

[Grevlin]

You do know that COVID causes those problems too, right? Also it's much, much more common and more severe.

Infection does not cause "much more common and severe" complications for this age group. Given the very recent information regarding vaccine induced myocarditis in young men that has in no way been adequately studied, I would not want my son exposed to the risks of the vaccine.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Infection does not cause "much more common and severe" complications for this age group. Given the very recent information regarding vaccine induced myocarditis in young men that has in no way been adequately studied, I would not want my son exposed to the risks of the vaccine.

Infection causes myocarditis at a much higher rate. Remember all those reports of heart inflammation in athletes who got covid last fall?

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/...vid-19-and-heart-complications-among-athletes

 

[maroonmadman]

I dont understand it all but your postseason roster is somewhere around 27 so you would never have 10+ healthy vaxxed and 20 potentially healthy unvaxxed.

Maybe they are including Trainers, Managers and Coaches. Those who are in close contact with the team on a daily basis.

 

[Bill Shankly]

0.01% is low for a couple reasons:

1) it’s point in time. If you are vaccinated, you don’t check one day later and that’s it. If you ever test positive, you’ll raise that 0.01% (and April was still early in the vaccine lifespan).

2) The actual calculated will always be way lower than real world as most people with breakthrough infections will never know it and have no reason to get tests and get classified as one. You’re breakthrough population is bound to be heavily skewed to populations subject to regular testing.

I think the 90% advertised rate was probably pretty honest and damn good. Even if real world ends up well lower at 75% with low hospitalization on the 25% breakthrough population you’re left with a pretty damn good vaccine.

All that said - baseball players are subjected to dumb rules. At this point in the pandemic there’s no reason to subject the players to the same restrictions that would have made sense in the thick of pandemic. Leave it at this - if you show symptoms and you are unvaccinated you get tested. If negative, you sit out. That’s basically what the treatment for the crowd is and the NCAA has no qualms for that system and taking their money to fill the stadium.

Reasonable

 

[Bill Shankly]

Infection does not cause "much more common and severe" complications for this age group. Given the very recent information regarding vaccine induced myocarditis in young men that has in no way been adequately studied, I would not want my son exposed to the risks of the vaccine.

Yes, it does. It's incredibly rare with the vaccine. My son took it, age 25.

 

[msstate7]

Yes, it does. It's incredibly rare with the vaccine. My son took it, age 25.

I have no idea either way, but don't we have much more data on infection than vaccine?

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Yes, it does. It's incredibly rare with the vaccine. My son took it, age 25.

It's a valid concern of people who don't want the vaccine and should be addressed head on.

What's causing myocarditis in people who get the vaccine? Probably the same thing causing it in people who are infected with covid: the spike protein.

The rate that myocarditis from the vaccine affects young people is much less than the rate myocarditis affects young people who contact covid. But it's easy to say myocarditis from infection isn't a big deal when you can compare it to other infected people getting strokes or dying from the disease. You should feel lucky to have gotten better with only a little chest infection treatable by antiinflammatories compared to having to go on a ventilator or dying.

On the other hand, the person who gets that little chest infection from the vaccine has rather rotten luck. Most people who get the vaccine have a sore arm and maybe feel a little run down, but that's it.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Absolutely.
I know of one woman who died from a stroke post-vaccination at the age of 42. Another had an unexplained brain hemorrhage that confounded doctors who assumed she’d had a head injury when she hadn’t. Another had a blood clot that killed her. All had recently had the vaccine.
But the vaccine is almost completely safe!

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Everyone I know who has gotten the vaccine hasn't had any problems. So yes, the vaccines are completely safe.

 

[Lpdawg]

My question is how is asking if someone has been vaccinated and holding them to answering the question not a violation of some type of HIPPA law?

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Absolutely.
I know of one woman who died from a stroke post-vaccination at the age of 42. Another had an unexplained brain hemorrhage that confounded doctors who assumed she’d had a head injury when she hadn’t. Another had a blood clot that killed her. All had recently had the vaccine.
But the vaccine is almost completely safe!

Anecdotal evidence is the least reliable type of evidence. You've provided no evidence that you're accurately relaying your stories as heard them, that the person who told them to you knew what they're talking about, or that even if all of that is correct that there was a causal link to the vaccine rather than just a coincidental one.

Over 150,000,000 Americans are fully vaccinated. Something unrelated is bound to have happened to a lot of them by chance. But one thing that almost never happens to those fully vaccinated people is dying from COVID, compared to non-vaccinated people.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Aren’t most flu vaccines only about 55%?

 

[ckDOG]

HIPAA

My question is how is asking if someone has been vaccinated and holding them to answering the question not a violation of some type of HIPPA law?

Read.

https://thedispatch.com/p/what-hipa...XiUJD4gHVyR8lHAnX79RN9eKD6twDZBluS0gZB-kiB2Lw

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

My question is how is asking if someone has been vaccinated and holding them to answering the question not a violation of some type of HIPPA law?

Because that's not how HIPAA works. (Not HIPPA)

Your employer cannot call your doctor to ask for your vaccination status, nor can your doctor provide that information to your employer (or practically anyone else).

An employer (or any organization) can require you to provide medical information prior to certain activities. Kids have to have a physical before participating in most varsity shorts. Some companies require their executive officers to undergo a physical and the officer has to provide that information to the company board. They could do a similar thing for all employees and vaccination status.

Now, companies have to protect private health information, but for them to request it from the employees directly is not a violation of any statute.

 

[Lpdawg]

Thanks! Shows you how much I know. I couldn’t even spell it correctly.

 

[Lpdawg]

Thanks, shows you how much I know! I couldn’t even spell it correctly.