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[MoTownWV]

Cops are only pricks when the people they deal with are pricks.....

I am not naive enough to say that police officers never over react. But this doesnt appear to be a Trayvon Martin case either. I know everyone is hyper sensitive right now but this doesnt seem like a case that I would hang my hat on either as an activist. As you indirectly referenced, this guy doesnt get shot if he does not resist arrest.

"A woman called police to report that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises."

"Officers tried to arrest Blake. One of the officers deployed a Taser to try to stop him, but it did not work."

"Blake walked around to the driver's side of his vehicle, opened the door, and "leaned forward."

"Blake told police he had a knife in an interview following the shooting."

 

[Eerfool]

Although the BLM movement has founders with Marxist/Socialist/Communist backgrounds and leanings, I don't think it invalidates the general message that we have problems with black men and the police. Culpability for the issues is debatable, but let's quit acting like they have no reason to protest.

Cops killing unarmed black men -9? Blacks killing blacks - 4000? Police killing Is not the problem in the black community. It is just a straw man to hide the real problem, which requires personal responsibility.

 

[TimWVU01]

My stepfather was LAPD homicide so I understand the daily toil of being a cop. Indy is right. I have seen a shift in behavior I don’t like....such as wearing fatigue pants tucked into boots and sporting other quasi-military gear just because. I encounter way more pricks than is necessary. In suburban Huntsville, we are far from having a crime wave, but I believe we are over staffed in the PD and they are deployed where not needed (Sunday morning speed traps et.al) I suspect that big city PDs have similar problems.

So I am not a huge fan of COPS going with the combat look -- (my father never even wore a ballistic vest in 35 years of Suburban DC police work - Alexandria Va PD and Prince William Co. VA PD). That said I have had conversations with various very senior PD officials and they have generally adopted the tactical vests (which to me is the most military looking part of the uniform) because the stats show they overwhelmingly SAVE THE LIVES of their officers.... They are requirement now even with officers who don't like them (My Dad would be **** out of luck if he wasn't retired). Too many officers killed in ambush style shootings that would have been saved by those military grade vests...

Sadly I suspect you will see a trend toward a more military like head gear moving forward as well....

 

[buckfly]

Peaceful protesting is fine ,but the violence of looting and destroying hard working honest citizens of their business is a CRIME ,pure and simple .They should be punished and be incarcerated . You know, the truth is ,many of these hoods could care less about the black communities , it is just an excuse to be violent and to loot for their own well being!

 

[indyrockstar]

The ratio of good cops/bad cops has probably been the same 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc... The difference today is people have iphone to record or dash camera to records. A lot of the bad cops are getting exposed vs a lot of the good cops are showing the right way to handle situations. Take a few minutes and go to Youtube and watch both sides. Ever wonder where Karen came from? Two cops in NJ handled that situation as perfect as one could ask for.

 

[Shirley Knott]

If no one is watching anyhow (NBA) how does it impact anything...even if people are watching who does it impact?

Watching on TV still brings in advertising money. Stop watching Tv games and that money disappears which leads to no money for paychecks. At that point, how many burger flipping jobs are available with million dollar paydays?????

 

[wvu_ivey]

Cops are only pricks when the people they deal with are pricks.....

Nah, cops are jerks a lot of the time. It is what it is.

I've been arrested 3 times and once had a gun pointed at me. I had called the cops for a prowler on a house across the road, and wandered over to discuss while they were looking around--ended up surprising the cops in the backyard at dusk.

In one case the cop was really cool, but in the other 3 cases they were rude and disrespectful. I suppose that's part of the job--and I understand they have to control the situation, but let's not lead people to believe interactions with cops are ever going to be pleasant and respectful. They aren't for anybody--even middle class white guys like me.

By the way, in EVERY situation I have said "yes sir", "no sir", immediately raised my hands when the gun was pulled, and in every case surrendered when they told me I was under arrest. Never fought the cops, never leaned into my car to get something.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Dude reached back into his car for a weapon -- which police have determined is a KNIFE -- but certainly could have been a gun.

You don't know that. No one knows that at this point. Let's wait until an investigation is complete. The young man is still heavily sedated and hasn't even spoke to family and legal counsel yet.

How about walk in the Police Officers shoes and tell me how you would react in a split second with someone reaching for a weapon.

Again, you are assuming he was reaching for a weapon when we don't even know that at this point. But, I'm glad you asked. That officer could have and should have, very easily, let go of the young man and backed away with his firearm still pointed at the young man to get space between himself and the young man. If the young man would have pulled a knife, the officer would have been in a position to either attempt to talk him into dropping the knife or firing his firearm. If the young man got in the car to drive away, which is what I believe he was attempting to do, but I'll wait until the investigation is complete, they could have let him drive away. They had his license plate and they knew who he was. He wasn't a threat to anyone around him at that point.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Cops are only pricks when the people they deal with are pricks.....

LOL! That's funny and you are delusional.

 

[jjmart910_rivals]

NBA is down 20% during the first week of the playoffs. That still has a lot to do with COVID and the current setup. It's going to happen to all sports.

One would think that if people are spending more time at home that there would be more TV viewership, not less.

 

[TimWVU01]

Cop haters crawling out like crazy last six months (and in this thread) -- pfft....

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

My stepfather was LAPD homicide so I understand the daily toil of being a cop. Indy is right. I have seen a shift in behavior I don’t like....such as wearing fatigue pants tucked into boots and sporting other quasi-military gear just because. I encounter way more pricks than is necessary. In suburban Huntsville, we are far from having a crime wave, but I believe we are over staffed in the PD and they are deployed where not needed (Sunday morning speed traps et.al) I suspect that big city PDs have similar problems.

The change in attire is tied to function over form analysis. The police force is just mirroring society. Back in the day, men used to wear suits and ties everyday to work, nowadays, only dapper gentlemen like myself do. Further back, people were shirts and ties even in their spare time.

 

[indyrockstar]

One would think that if people are spending more time at home that there would be more TV viewership, not less.

I never thought that would be the case for any of the sports. When fans aren't present, it's just different at games. Then, the potential stoppage for COVID. Add today with with player boycott. IMO, it's an accumulation that has dropped the numbers.

 

[indyrockstar]

Cop haters crawling out like crazy last six months (and in this thread) -- pfft....

Hating cops has been around forever. Right and bad reasons. We are only talking about it today due to the NBA boycott (apparently, it worked with their message) and visualizing recorded videos.

It's time for cops and society to learn, get better, etc...

 

[eerlite]

Not sure how you think any of what i typed is considered contradicting. Tell me more how you came to that conclusion. I could use a good morning laugh.

For every situation, I would prefer to let evidence come out before making a judgment of why this or that happened. I don't need some people with agendas stating this was a bad cop or a bad person with a simple video clip and be done with it. I would like to know what happened before leading up to situation, why did the guy kept walking away to his car, etc...

There are definitely more than 5% of cops being ******. They need to be held accountable for actions. IMIO, they should always have their camera on for every recording encounter. There is too much entitlement of power with the position.

The highlighted is what is contradictory to this entire situation. People are losing their minds over a video clip that leaves out essentially the entire context of the situation. So you've moved into the category, based off those assumptions, that this is a cop problem. Again, cops need additional support to get better in these scenarios, but labeling this simply a cop problem is shortsighted with all the detail being left out. None of these videos show people getting shot that are upstanding citizens that aren't resisting arrest, and that overlooked detail is why this topic has become so divisive.

 

[indyrockstar]

The highlighted is what is contradictory to this entire situation. People are losing their minds over a video clip that leaves out essentially the entire context of the situation. So you've moved into the category, based off those assumptions, that this is a cop problem. Again, cops need additional support to get better in these scenarios, but labeling this simply a cop problem is shortsighted with all the detail being left out. None of these videos show people getting shot that are upstanding citizens that aren't resisting arrest, and that overlooked detail is why this topic has become so divisive.

Where did I say that it was a cop problem on that situation? Before you make your next post, take the effort to read every comment I made.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Where did I say that it was a cop problem? Before you make your next post, take the effort to read every comment I made.

One thing it most definitely is not, it’s not a racist cop issue as it’s being characterized in either of the cases, Blake or Floyd.

 

[indyrockstar]

One thing it most definitely is not, it’s not a racist cop issue as it’s being characterized in either of the cases, Blake or Floyd.

There was an incident in Charlotte several month ago when Black people were protesting because they thought a white cop killed a black person. When the news reporter asked if the knew it was a black cop that killed the black man, many had no idea. It was kinda comical with their expression yet sad at the same time.

 

[jjmart910_rivals]

There was an incident in Charlotte several month ago when Black people were protesting because they thought a white cop killed a black person. When the news reporter asked if the knew it was a black cop that killed the black man, many had no idea. It was kinda comical with their expression yet sad at the same time.

As a side note, Charlotte Municipal Police Dept has done a remarkable job for the last 6-7 days. There was meant to be a huge protester turnout up to and during the RNC. They made it clear that peaceful protests were fine as long as they weren't blocking traffic to certain ares of the city and used a nice combination of crowd control to ensure that was the case. Kudos to them for not letting things get out of hand.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

NBA is down 20% during the first week of the playoffs. That still has a lot to do with COVID and the current setup. It's going to happen to all sports.

it’s not affected golf, which is up in the ratings. These Covid excuses are getting old.

 

[HPeer]

Nah. but you are obviously bias given your father is a cop. It's all good. I now understand your stance on this topic.

Nah? How do you see no to that? All day long cops deal with problems and problematic people

 

[indyrockstar]

As a side note, Charlotte Municipal Police Dept has done a remarkable job for the last 6-7 days. There was meant to be a huge protester turnout up to and during the RNC. They made it clear that peaceful protests were fine as long as they weren't blocking traffic to certain ares of the city and used a nice combination of crowd control to ensure that was the case. Kudos to them for not letting things get out of hand.

I pretty much live uptown and it's intriguing to see bicycle cops. Like there would be groups of 14-20 bike cops riding around. Then i would see a group dirt bike cops riding around in about the same amount for group. I grabbed some food yesterday around 8 PM and it seemed peaceful.

 

[indyrockstar]

Nah? How do you see no to that? All day long cops deal with problems and problematic people

"Cops are only pricks when the people they deal with are pricks....."


Just to be clear, are you stating cops are NEVER pricks unless provoked?

 

[indyrockstar]

it’s not affected golf, which is up in the ratings. These Covid excuses are getting old.

I see that they are benefitting from the time slots as well. Good to see golf taking off during this time.

"ESPN, which is taking its whack at the TV golf piñata with this week’s PGA Championship, reported that ratings from the first day of the tournament were the best in five years.

According to a release from the company, Thursday’s opening round averaged 1.246 million viewers, the best since 2015 and the second-best opening round in the last 10 years. Friday’s round did even better, jumping 43 percent higher to average 1.763 million.

A number of factors are contributing. With a prime-time slot on the East coast, the telecasts were destined to be successful, but the improvement in numbers — the broadcast peaked with 2.26 million viewers from 7-7:15 p.m. ET — is reason for TV execs and Tour officials to rejoice." link

 

[bornaneer]

And not a ***** peep out of Lebron and his minions about what is going on in our cities like Chicago every day.
Instead of kneeling for photo ops with BLM shirts on.........these frauds need to get their asses onto the streets of ours cities to stop the constant taking of Black Lives....that is if they are really concerned.

Chicago August to Date
Shot & Killed: 43
Total Shot: 413

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 455
Total Shot: 2729

https://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?i...e=crop&cquality=40&location=center&format=jpg

 

[CpEenginEER]

Dude reached back into his car for a weapon -- which police have determined is a KNIFE -- but certainly could have been a gun. I am tired of people saying "walk in the black man's shoes" -- How about walk in the Police Officers shoes and tell me how you would react in a split second with someone reaching for a weapon.

They have citizens police academies in many cities -- most of them have a "use of force" and/or "target selection" scenarios that are just like the ones trained police officers go through. We had a local civil rights leader go through it here in Prince William Co Va.... -- yep he shot a good guy in a car stop scenario.....

I have gone through target selection scenarios with my own employer -- I passed every time -- by NEVER shooting anyone -- of course I was killed but I passed the Target Selection requirement (these are very difficult scenarios you go through in training).

Do we have bad cops -- of course -- but it is less than 5% of all Police. Most of these shootings that cause so much media attention are usually justified once they go through the judicial process (which causes even more outrage).

This is the social media generation we live in -- because we have one bad cop shooting all cops shooting any black man must be a bad cop shooting.... Because we have one 12 year old die of Coronavirus ALL 12 year olds are going to die of Coronavirus.... Because we have one bad Football Coach all Football Coaches are bad.......

There was once a voter that tricked the vote by mail solution so lets throw it all out. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

They wouldn’t dare walk the streets of Chicago without their armed security. Just like the politicians such as Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, they preach and then do the opposite of what they want everyone else to do.

And not a ***** peep out of Lebron and his minions about what is going on in our cities like Chicago every day.
Instead of kneeling for photo ops with BLM shirts on.........these frauds need to get their asses onto the streets of ours cities to stop the constant taking of Black Lives....that is if they are really concerned.

Chicago August to Date
Shot & Killed: 43
Total Shot: 413

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 455
Total Shot: 2729

https://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?i...e=crop&cquality=40&location=center&format=jpg

 

[michaelgpierce21]

Many people including me find it hard to take a movement seriously whose modus operandi is wanton destruction against innocents. Until those that have the sincere goal of correcting this problem divorce themselves from BLM, it will not get better.

Best post I’ve seen on the topic anywhere and needs no further explanation.

 

[HPeer]

"Cops are only pricks when the people they deal with are pricks....."


Just to be clear, are you stating cops are NEVER pricks unless provoked?

Where did you get that from? Lol, not close to anything I stated

 

[indyrockstar]

Where did you get that from? Lol, not close to anything I stated

K, just making sure. So yes, I am right with what was stated earlier about saying "nah"...

 

[wvu_ivey]

Cops are only pricks when the people they deal with are pricks.....

That's not true. I've been arrested 3 times and once accidentally surprised some cops and got a gun pulled on me.

In one of those 4 cases the guy was pretty cool, but the other 3 were fairly unpleasant. Nothing against the cops--i'm on the cops side, but let's not lead people to believe that interacting with cops is going to be a pleasant and mutually respectful time. Often (by necessity) it is not.

For the record, I always surrendered when told I was under arrest, put my hands up immediately when dude pulled the gun on me, and never ever fought the cops or "leaned into the car" against their orders. Cops have been rude AF to me, but if you don't fight them, they don't fight you.

 

[BigLickMountee]

Yep, these players are so out of touch with reality it's mind boggling. This will have no impact on police reform, and ultimately it just means that more people who have jobs associated with the NBA will no longer have those jobs, which again, is how poor these players are in the critical thinking department.

because they have been socialized by the system. From coaches to recruiters to what they see on TV. I say let it all fall to pieces as a result of what the left wanted from COVID and force these players to work another job for a living. Down with professional sports and blame the left.

Hooah everyone working a real job for a typical wage.

 

[HPeer]

K, just making sure. So yes, I am right with what was stated earlier about saying "nah"...

Trying way too hard

 

[indyrockstar]

Trying way too hard

nah....

 

[Mean Routine]

Although the BLM movement has founders with Marxist/Socialist/Communist backgrounds and leanings, I don't think it invalidates the general message that we have problems with black men and the police. Culpability for the issues is debatable, but let's quit acting like they have no reason to protest.

Is it systemic though? I wonder if it is systemic or if it is years of high crime rates in black communities and police officers having to deal with it. Statistically, I don't think there are any more racist police officers than there are racist people. I think socioeconomic issues are more of a problem than racial. If young black men thought that there is a future through education they would pull themselves out of many of these situations. I also think the lack of a strong family unit hurts in this regard, regardless of race.

 

[Gold-n-Blue]

Is it systemic though? I wonder if it is systemic or if it is years of high crime rates in black communities and police officers having to deal with it. Statistically, I don't think there are any more racist police officers than there are racist people. I think socioeconomic issues are more of a problem than racial. If young black men thought that there is a future through education they would pull themselves out of many of these situations. I also think the lack of a strong family unit hurts in this regard, regardless of race.

The systemic portion comes with things like mary jane being classified as a Class 1 Narcotic. That was clearly classified as a much more dangerous drug because of it's prevelance in the black community. So in turn, black families were torn apart with large prison sentences for non violent crime. And the cycle of broken families starts there.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

The systemic portion comes with things like mary jane being classified as a Class 1 Narcotic. That was clearly classified as a much more dangerous drug because of it's prevelance in the black community. So in turn, black families were torn apart with large prison sentences for non violent crime. And the cycle of broken families starts there.

You think that’s why jazz cabbage was classified as a class 1? That’s some straight conspiracy **** right there.

 

[Gold-n-Blue]

You think that’s why jazz cabbage was classified as a class 1? That’s some straight conspiracy **** right there.

Not sure of it's intent, but it is a fact that Nixon intentionally classified this as Schedule I. It should be Schedule III at best. So I don't know it was intentional, but the effects are pretty clear. Why are people serving 20-30 year sentences for non violent crimes? That is now becoming legal and accepted in many states.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not sure of it's intent, but it is a fact that Nixon intentionally classified this as Schedule I. It should be Schedule III at best. So I don't know it was intentional, but the effects are pretty clear. Why are people serving 20-30 year sentences for non violent crimes? That is now becoming legal and accepted in many states.

I’m in the camp of thinking weed should be legal. I see a ton of my parent’s generation who never smoked beginning to use it for pain management in lieu of narcotics and their eyes are opening up to it.

 

[Gold-n-Blue]

I’m in the camp of thinking weed should be legal. I see a ton of my parent’s generation who never smoked beginning to use it for pain management in lieu of narcotics and their eyes are opening up to it.

Agreed.

Another interesting dynamic, I see a lot of parallels with Nixon/Trump and Black Panthers/Black Lives Matters. How will history view what is going on today?