NBA rule change for fouls?

[blacklistedbully]

Personally, I'm not a fan of Hardin's flopping or the idea that any player can shoot, then deliberately extend their landing by kicking our their legs, thus landing several feet beyond the point of release, etc.

Is it time to amend the rules, perhaps create a "protected safe for landing zone" of a foot or two from the point where the ball leaves the hand?

Doesn't seem remotely fair that a shooter should be able to release a shot, then kick his legs forward a few feet in order to draw a foul in a technicality. In fact, I think if a defender establishes position before the shooter leaves his feet to shoot, the shooter should not be at all entitled to any, "extra room" to "complete the shot" or land beyond what would be normal. If it's a running jumper, let the official decide if there was reasonable space to land, but not allow any, "kick-out" of the legs to be a part of the equation. Kinda like the charge vs blocking foul, only extended to include all areas with the express goal of preventing, "kicking the legs out" and/ or, "excessive jumping forward" artificially beyond the shooter's natural stroke solely in an effort draw a foul when such foul obviously does not interfere with the natural shot.

What say the board?

 

[Dawgcap]

Totally agree. The game of basketball has been ruined by offensive players initiating contact while officials claiming “in the act of shooting “. The shot wasn’t affected and it’s a joke of a call. I’ve seen more of these calls in the last several years and they are ruining the games with these calls.
The sad thing is it has decided games for a guy who missed a shot.

 

[Dawgcap]

By the way college officials are the worst on these calls.

 

[PartTimeGenius]

I like old school ways. I'd be a highly disliked referee because I would not put up with all the mouthing off and arguing. Technical fouls galore until players learned to keep their mouths shut on the court. Players don't officiate the game. Officials officiate the game.

 

[mstateglfr]

Very much agree that an adjustment needs to be made.

It's simply the reality of team sports with refs- adjustments for an ever changing style of athlete and play need to be made.

The reason we are here is because the pendulum had swung too far away from scoring and the defense had too much leeway. Cha he's were made to open up the game and allow for more movement by the offense and this is now the conclusion to the current setup.
Changes will now need to be made to ensure scoring stays high(its entertainment after all) while reducing the number of controversial calls and no-calls.

The worst thing that can happen for the NBA is for players and coaches to continue to rail against refs. It makes for an ugly or situation.

The topic at hand, a shooter being able to land unimpeded by the defender, really hit home a couple years ago when that big dumbass cut under Leonard and took him out of the playoffs due to injury. Thst led to a focus on allowing players to land after shooting as it isnt just an issue of affecting the shot, it's an issue of affecting player safety.

But since the least fun player in tue NBA to watch, Harden, is a master of exploiting the rules- this focus has now become a weapon in his favor. And yes, it's a weapon for many others too. Basically all are outside shooters, if you notice.



Here is what needs to happen.
1- Silver hires me to change the rules since my ideas shouldnt be free.
2- the rule of vertically, already a focus in the NBA in recent years, needs to be applied on the perimeter too.
- if a defender goes straight up and comes straight down, then there is no foul on them, no matter what contact may occur.
3- offensive fouls need to be called more often when the shooter kicks out to draw contact. The NBA needs to show that such a move is bad for their overall product.
4- players need to realize that when they jump forward to defend a shot, they lose the rule of verticality and any contact during a natural shooting motion is their doing and thus a legitimate foul.


The offense has too much power in the NBA right now and the pendulum needs to swing back a bit. Its tough to concede power when you have it though, so there will be a lot of complaining when the offense eventually loses protections they currently have.




Oh- and 2 steps after collecting the dribble needs to be 2 feet touching in total before the shot goes up. None of this one jump back land on 2 feet then another jump sideways land on 2 feet crap. Creating space for step back 3pt shots that way is a clear violation of current rules and needs to be enforced.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

What you are describing is an offensive foul in the NBA today. The shooter is not allowed to kick his leg in an "unnatural" manner to try and make contact with the defender.

If the refs weren't calling it, they were having a bad night.

Here is the link to the rule: https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/offensive-foul-shooter-kicks-out-leg-into-legal-defender-2/

 

[mstateglfr]

What you are describing is an offensive foul in the NBA today. The shooter is not allowed to kick his leg in an "unnatural" manner to try and make contact with the defender.

If the refs weren't calling it, they were having a bad night.

Here is the link to the rule: https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/offensive-foul-shooter-kicks-out-leg-into-legal-defender-2/

The issue is that there are plenty of fouls that arent called. It isnt due to the refs having a bad night, its due in part to the fact that there are multiple fouls on both sides of the ball each time down the court that makes too many to realistically call, and due in part to being tough to accurately call in the moment so nothing is called.

Seriously-
- i would guess that 15% of screens are legal in the NBA. The rest are the screener constantly repositioning by shuffling feet and/or 2 arm grabbing the screened player and dragging them away so the switch happens and calls are rarely made. Its insane to watch.
- defenders root out post players who have established position and no call is made.
- shooters jump sideways and forward to initiate contact and no call is made. The refs may not reward the shooter for initiating contact, but they also almost never call an offensive foul, which it should be. Therefore, nobody changes behavior because at worst, they just dont get the call so its worth trying to get away with the contact.


Offensive contact is rarely called. Basically, only charges are called. All the other stuff that are fouls on the offensive end is very rarely called and instead the refs just swallow their whistles and allow play to continue. Its as if they think the bad shot or turnover from the offense is penalty enough to not try to get away with those moves again, but that isnt enough. Blow the 17ing whistle and call the foul on the offensive player- that will actually eventually change behavior.

 

[tbaydog]

I like old school ways. I'd be a highly disliked referee because I would not put up with all the mouthing off and arguing. Technical fouls galore until players learned to keep their mouths shut on the court. Players don't officiate the game. Officials officiate the game.

The old days of raising hand straight up with no flair after you were called for a foul!

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

You are correct, they never call illegal screens. They just don't for some reason. Probably because it increases offense.

If you are watching a game with Harden involved, be prepared to see zero offensive fouls called on him and basically every single time he is touched go to the free throw line. For some reason the refs just give him more leaway than any other player that I have watched.