NBA ratings down.
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You might be able to fill a whole roster out of 20 something year old Shawn Kemps running around Seattle.
that's fine. Just giving you guys number on how much they are growing till COVID shutdown.
I like sports, but easily the best two post seasons are March Madness and the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Playoff hockey is amazing, but our society seems to think you have to have triple digit numbers on a scoreboard for it be fun.
You guys are missing out on some good games and some very talented players having great performances if you’re not watching because of words on the backs of jerseys.
I’m sure the west coast ratings have taken a hit with games starting at 1:30 EST. The LA teams as the nightcap each night start their games at 6 PM Pacific
I’m sure the west coast ratings have taken a hit with games starting at 1:30 EST. The LA teams as the nightcap each night start their games at 6 PM Pacific
Yep. I've stopped watching them all. The constant political banter on the NBA games, and the stupid stuff on the shirts. The Red's kneeling. And the upcoming multi-anthem NFL. My daughter is serving right now, in the middle east. I'm not even capable of sitting thru the whining of these rich men.
Hey, I can get over the no fans, and I can even ignore the constant political agenda. For me personally, (I still keep an eye on it and watch key games) but I just can't get over the quality of the product. It's just chucking 3s, not basketball. And to make it worse, the king of chucking 3s, Harden, flails around looking for a foul every time he chucks a 35 footer. Fun Fact; Davis shoots just 3% less from the 3 as Harden.
Yep. Cancel Culture means tearing down statues. Banning artwork, books, movies. Doxxing. Demanding you march in lockstep with their orthodoxy or you will be harmed...one way or another. Clicking off a game because millionaire athletes want to kneel on and disrespect the Anthem and the flag....if that is their right (it is) then by gawd its my right to express my disgust by turning my back on them. DEFUND the NBA.
"Due to Covid"... lol - nothing political - just Covid huh?
Many are learning the hard way (Goodyear Tires today) that you can NEVER appease these people. 99% agreement is 100% fail and you must be destroyed. Do you think Antifa and BLM care two turds about pro sports? They hate competition, capitalism, achievement. So in general they will never support these sports UNLESS it benefits them and their cause. One hopes the free market (what is left of it) will work this out to some degree - at least in sports. Currently the sports product is declining in quality, increasing in political activity and activism, declining in viewership, increasing in monolithic thought and has become unwatchable and un-relatable for many.
Politics is killing everything - not serving the people.
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TV ratings don’t mean what they used to. Obviously the pandemic and makeshift playoffs are hard to account for, but before the season was halted the NBA was doing great. Over the past few years attendance has been up, league pass viewership has been up, and the NBA has probably the greatest social media presence of all major sports, especially globally.
Most younger people do not view sports through traditional methods. And while the NBA still has work to do as far as monetization of these new viewing methods, the fan base and money are there.
Most younger people do not view sports through traditional methods. And while the NBA still has work to do as far as monetization of these new viewing methods, the fan base and money are there.
I think a lot of younger people, that make up a lot of the NBA “fan base” are sitting their playing video games and watching highlights on twitter.
I'm good with equality , thats a fine goal , I'm not so thrilled with support of Terrorist organizations like BLM .
I'm not trying to argue with you, just pointing out why your approach doesn't work for me. I don't watch much NBA to begin with because I don't like the game as it has evolved over the years, but by watching, you continue to enrich Lebron and others who want to force their political views upon you. The only way to stop that kind of behavior is to cause their revenue stream to dry up.
I just don't see a small chunk of boycotters making a change. Ratings dropped 39%? Ok, But they state in the article:
Last year, the playoffs began on a Saturday and included an ABC primetime slot. This year, the games took place on a weekday and did not feature a single ABC-broadcasted outing.
I mean, it was a Monday.. you had two games going on while people were at work (3 if you factor in the Westcoast).. I'm not sure we should be comparing the two.
Yeah, I'm not sure the ratings we are seeing will be indicative of what they will be when the NBA returns to normal play. My point wasn't about what will actually happen. It was about the principle of the matter. I'm not interested in enriching someone who wants to force their political viewpoint on me when I'm trying to buy a product, watch sports, etc. I think we would all be better off if everyday people stopped doing business with companies, leagues, etc., who insist on politicizing their business.
We keep saying "we dont want politics in sports" and these idiots keep doubling down anyway.
So you read those core of beliefs & truly thought that they're simply an organization about racism? The founder is a self proclaimed Marxist & the phrase is "USED" as a pundit. Anyway not getting into it. Too complex to discuss on a basketball messageboard.
My point was simply to say there are MANY, even African Americans, that do not support the organization. And right now the organization is using this platform to gain power for its real agenda. I'm certainly not saying everyone supporting BLM it is that way. That's the genius of it. Many have no idea of its real goals. But the founder of BLM is a self proclaimed Marxist.
Think it's a combination of things. Due to the shutdown, season was obviously altered, so you have some states which started up school again, so not going to have time to watch during day for people who normally would because they are working, kids are in school/distance learning......obviously some won't like the political discussion as they choose to watch sports as an escape from what's going on in life, and for some it's a seasonal thing--when you get to this time of year I can personally say that I'm in football mode as a sports viewer, getting excited for CFB/NFL and in my state this would've been week HS FB started up. Smell that fresh cut grass when I run at night and just think FB. I enjoy this time of year in MLB usually as well.
Now there's nothing the NBA can do about this as they are providing an outlet for those of us who do enjoy basketball. It's a 1 time (pray to God it is only this yr) thing and we're used to the NBA season being over, Draft concluded and the 2 weeks we enjoy Summer League winding down. Instead we've just NBA starting up it's postseason with additions/subtractions to rosters that have greatly influenced the outcomes to this point/will continue to do so IMO.
I ignored the regular season games more than normal, have watched postseason games at night, but flip to MLB games too, so I've not been as interested as if it was April-June. Appreciate all the people who are providing an outlet, just hard to change my sports "clock" that has been formed over the years.
Now there's nothing the NBA can do about this as they are providing an outlet for those of us who do enjoy basketball. It's a 1 time (pray to God it is only this yr) thing and we're used to the NBA season being over, Draft concluded and the 2 weeks we enjoy Summer League winding down. Instead we've just NBA starting up it's postseason with additions/subtractions to rosters that have greatly influenced the outcomes to this point/will continue to do so IMO.
I ignored the regular season games more than normal, have watched postseason games at night, but flip to MLB games too, so I've not been as interested as if it was April-June. Appreciate all the people who are providing an outlet, just hard to change my sports "clock" that has been formed over the years.
They think they are making a statement about racial equality. The players probably all are...but BLM leaders are not. Make the statement apart from the BLM organization. Instead BLM is using racism as a platform to gain power & influence for their true agenda. So, yea....it turns a lot of folks off; not because the viewers are racists but see through the sham of a corrupt organization using a real issue as a larger platform.
The NBA has some incredible players right now. It’s a shame they chose to go down this road. But many of us have been saying for years sports are in massive decline because of several factors
1. The end of “faces of the franchise”. Growing up, Ozzie Smith was STL. Griffey was Seattle. Jordan was the Bulls. The Mailman was Utah. The players were not above the organization. Now thanks to the promotion of individualism and treating players like union members ( remember when agents started telling players to get everything they can to help the next player get max?) Now super teams, no loyalty, only money matters. This sucks, and it hurts the product.
2. Politics in sports. If you don’t think this is going to have a profound effect you’re just an ideologue that enjoys their Marxist and anti-American slant. Who the F wants to watch spoiled entitled megalomaniacs cry about topics that, A - they are completely wrong about (statistical fact), and B - they aren’t informed enough to understand at all.
3. Hypocrisy. This touches on 2, but deserves its own number. Creating a fuss about a statistical rarity, making it racial when it’s not, then supporting the most egregious offenders of human rights today (China) the NBA are nothing but rich, evil (yes I said it), hypocrites of the highest order.
4. Ignoring the real threat. With all of the violence plaguing Black communities across the US, the NBA has chosen to ignore it nearly entirely to promote fake social justice causes to appease a small segment of America.
5. If you care about family, friends, or your fellow neighbor who served in the military, police force, or other person who is currently under attack by these types, you really shouldn’t watch. I will not watch sports until these rich, largely uneducated, ignorant dipshits knock it off and return to sports. If they want to protest ghost, do it after the game is played. Your opinion is not universal or stated in fact. Shut up and play, then sound like an idiot on your own time.
6. Fan treatment. This has been happening for a long time now, and it’s especially a problem for the NBA. Telling fans what they can say at games, what they should wear, how they should believe, Turning uneducated millionaire athletes into victims, the constant crying over fans in general....this was beautiful to see the players play with no fans and bad ratings. All of the people that helped them trash the fans deserve it as well. Keep watching, the players are about to be informed to clean it up in this regard. The customer is always right, regardless. I’ve never seen a business model actually attack their fans in vicious ways like NBA basketball players. Watch the NHL, it’s the exact opposite.
All in all, what do you expect? With the political preferences of ESPN leading the way, and doing it from the fringe element of the political spectrum; with players constantly pounding the fans and no loyalty to a city, the league has been chaotic for along time. It’s just now being noticed for what it is.
Also, the euro league ball that’s been adopted is boring. All in all, until the owners get some balls and demand these players are held accountable to the system that’s made them who they are, it will continue to go bad. This will not end well.
1. The end of “faces of the franchise”. Growing up, Ozzie Smith was STL. Griffey was Seattle. Jordan was the Bulls. The Mailman was Utah. The players were not above the organization. Now thanks to the promotion of individualism and treating players like union members ( remember when agents started telling players to get everything they can to help the next player get max?) Now super teams, no loyalty, only money matters. This sucks, and it hurts the product.
2. Politics in sports. If you don’t think this is going to have a profound effect you’re just an ideologue that enjoys their Marxist and anti-American slant. Who the F wants to watch spoiled entitled megalomaniacs cry about topics that, A - they are completely wrong about (statistical fact), and B - they aren’t informed enough to understand at all.
3. Hypocrisy. This touches on 2, but deserves its own number. Creating a fuss about a statistical rarity, making it racial when it’s not, then supporting the most egregious offenders of human rights today (China) the NBA are nothing but rich, evil (yes I said it), hypocrites of the highest order.
4. Ignoring the real threat. With all of the violence plaguing Black communities across the US, the NBA has chosen to ignore it nearly entirely to promote fake social justice causes to appease a small segment of America.
5. If you care about family, friends, or your fellow neighbor who served in the military, police force, or other person who is currently under attack by these types, you really shouldn’t watch. I will not watch sports until these rich, largely uneducated, ignorant dipshits knock it off and return to sports. If they want to protest ghost, do it after the game is played. Your opinion is not universal or stated in fact. Shut up and play, then sound like an idiot on your own time.
6. Fan treatment. This has been happening for a long time now, and it’s especially a problem for the NBA. Telling fans what they can say at games, what they should wear, how they should believe, Turning uneducated millionaire athletes into victims, the constant crying over fans in general....this was beautiful to see the players play with no fans and bad ratings. All of the people that helped them trash the fans deserve it as well. Keep watching, the players are about to be informed to clean it up in this regard. The customer is always right, regardless. I’ve never seen a business model actually attack their fans in vicious ways like NBA basketball players. Watch the NHL, it’s the exact opposite.
All in all, what do you expect? With the political preferences of ESPN leading the way, and doing it from the fringe element of the political spectrum; with players constantly pounding the fans and no loyalty to a city, the league has been chaotic for along time. It’s just now being noticed for what it is.
Also, the euro league ball that’s been adopted is boring. All in all, until the owners get some balls and demand these players are held accountable to the system that’s made them who they are, it will continue to go bad. This will not end well.
You're not wrong.. but 2, 3, 4 and 5 are pretty much lumped into the same category: politics. And you left out the biggest issue: simply a changing of the time. More sports to watch, more shows, smaller attention spans, media overload.
6 though, lol. This seems personal. I've never heard of a fan stop watching or going because of some lack of "treatment" (victims of Jermaine O'neals fists, aside). When were fans told what to wear? And the politics, again, that's in 2, 3, 4, and 5. Telling fans what to say? Yes, you're not allowed to call the players racial slurs or throw **** at them.
No they’re really not the same. Some of those categories shouldn’t be politicized.
I hear racial slurs toward most whom are not black all the time. People ignore it. There is no epidemic of white fans throwing racial slurs at players. It’s a non issue that should be largely ignored and it goes away. But that’s not what I’m talking about anyway.
I have never seen a league trash the fans the way the NBA has. These players are trashy loud mouthed megalomaniacs. I understand you like the NBA. Honestly, I like the NBA. I always enjoyed the NBA. But what’s going on now is too much.
Just listen to the interviews from the players who constantly trash everyone from owners, cities, fans, even media who were doing their bidding and creating them to be victims. It’s insane.
And now with everything else, I’m good. That’s just one man’s opinion, but man, it’s going to get worse.
Add me to your list. Haven't watched a second of NBA and don't miss it one bit.
Blaming COVID for everything going on, is from the same playbook as blaming guns for gun violence!
Its a distraction from having to blame the individuals that made those decisions! Demand some responsibility instead of making excuses for them.
Sports are entertainment, pure and simple.We watch to be entertained. If you're not being entertained, for whatever reason, you stop watching. It seems a lot of people like me are not being entertained anymore.
I know I am not in the age group the NBA covets. But in the long run people like me will be able to get along without the NBA better than they will without us.
I know I am not in the age group the NBA covets. But in the long run people like me will be able to get along without the NBA better than they will without us.
It's 100% an issue. If you can't see how fans have treated NBA players going back to the 70's, I don't know what to tell you. Christ you have racist OWNERS.. ON RECORDING!
Can we get some examples? How has the league "trashed" NBA fans? What have they done to their fans and cities that's different than an NFL player? Lebron aside, who are the loud-mouths?
It seems to me a lot of the anti-... anti-"players-taking-a-stand" crowd (?).. have sat by for years while players dealt with their own issues, some of it racial, some of it medical, etc.. and didn't give a ****. But the second these players decide to stand up.. alarms go off, and people go nutso.
I still never understand the hatred towards Artest. I'm glad he went into the stands and smoked that fan in the face. Some of these fans deserve what's coming to them in these scenarios.
Then I don't think you understand the distinction between individuals voting with their pocket books, and individuals tearing down, or demanding an authority shut something down you disagree with. One is freedom, one is forced tyranny or mob rule.
I get that, but we are talking TV ratings. With covid forcing millions more to be sitting behind tv screens, shouldn't tv ratings be up? Revenues will be a lagging indicator.
Idk what the scenario is. If you throw something at a person and instigate, you likely deserve a throat punch.
Can you cite an example of a racist owner who wasn’t on deaths door and senile? Where are all of these racist owners? Maybe I missed something.
Examples of players trashing fans? Dude, are you living in La La land. There’s been a lot of hostility toward the player / fan relationship in the NBA. I cannot even watch Many of their interviews, including Westbrook or Lebron, because of the smug put downs and victimization.
I’m not even going to waste my time with that if this is the road you’re going down. we won’t agree here at all, and it’s not my responsibility. Hell, I thought Westbrook coming down on a kid touching him was just disgusting. It’s a kid, he thinks you’re a God. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, but again NBA players are now victims of children.
Cry me a River over fans screaming at athletes playing a game for millions. I never would have though you would abandon logical reasoning to support a league just because you’re a fan.
You’ve bought into pure nonsense. I do agree with you on a lot, but I’m a but surprised at your sucking up to professional pampered athletes who wouldn’t give you the time of day to save your life.
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ARTEST WAS HIT WITH A PAPER CUP!!!!!
BRAWL!!!!! THE PLAYERS ARE VICTIMIZED YET AGAIN!!!!
They deserve another 100 million for the problems they face.
It may very well be declining, but those metrics are skewed by...
A. Im working during the earliest 2 games, so I cant watch even if I wanted to
B. I can’t watch 4 NBA games in a day, like most people. I can watch 1 or 2 every few nights as in previous years
so the viewers/game metric is a little misleading
A. Im working during the earliest 2 games, so I cant watch even if I wanted to
B. I can’t watch 4 NBA games in a day, like most people. I can watch 1 or 2 every few nights as in previous years
so the viewers/game metric is a little misleading
So it’s ok for them to send a message but not anyone that disagrees with that message. That’s just what the problem is. Can’t have it both ways!!
...and so do enough other folks so as to potentially bring the League down. Stick to the topic and quit targeting a few here on a message board.
Someone didn't like my example of a racist owner. No one who is senile just becomes a racist, man..
Someone also missed "Lebron aside", as well. I don't like what Lebrons been doing, I've said that. But who else? What has Westbrook done exactly to trash a fan that didn't deserve it? What players are hostile towards their fans?
Because what's amazing to me, is you have probably the greatest collection of "good" dudes in the NBA. How many NFL players punched their wife or kids recently? Who was it, Guice that's now brought up on rape charges?
Look at the guys now. Curry, nice guy. Lebron, outspoken, annoying at times, but a good person. Kawhi, doesn't talk. Dame? Spends all day with media. Westbrook, fierce competitor. Almost NO off the court issues. None. Almost zero drugs, crimes, nothing. The worst thing the NBA did was when the Suns got sucked off by a stripper.
I'm not sucking up to anyone, if anything, I'm telling them that I don't "see" their issues. On the other hand, having a hissy fit about it, causing a stir, getting it noticed, is EXACTLY what Lebron wants. Not to mention, the players don't care if Trump watches or anyone else who isn't at least sympathetic to the things they feel are problematic.. (remains to be seen if that's a smart move or not, we will see)