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Tatum and Brown both have the potential to be as good as Kahwi and Kawhi has the potential to drop off. Celts are laughing at that offer.

Tatum and Brown are dirt cheap for what you’re getting in return too.
 
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Tatum and Brown both have the potential to be as good as Kahwi and Kawhi has the potential to drop off. Celts are laughing at that offer.

Tatum and Brown are dirt cheap for what you’re getting in return too.
I agree with this. I'm just saying, teams know that the Celtics have the most assets in the league. So any trade discussions involving the Celtics, teams are gonna be starting the discussion with ridiculous demands.

Hence the Kyrie trade, the Celtics probably didn't NEED to throw in the Brooklyn pick for that trade to be even (at the time it seemed fair, obviously looking back the Celtics won that trade) but the Cavs threatened to back out of that deal unless the Celtics agreed to toss in that amazing asset.
 
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The Lebron haters have crawled back into the woodwork. He's carrying his team on his back right now. Amazing. Just to reach the Eastern Conference finals this year would be MVP worthy.
I don't have a "natural" fondness of LeBron, but the man has earned my respect because of the results and because he is humble in some ways. I think he takes himself too seriously, but then again, he is a special human being. The fact that he seems to be doing right by his family means a lot to me. He is a hard worker, and I like that he sets that example for young kids.
 

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I don't think Philly makes any earth shattering moves, maybe they add a Kawhi or PG, but not both. Lebron is the dark cloud hanging over everything, his decision is obviously gonna impact everything.

I know I'm gonna take some flack for this, but I'm not convinced Hayward will ultimately be a difference maker in the playoffs. I mean the guy is great, but what is he when he is healthy? The 25th best player in the league? He obviously won't hurt a team, and he also seems like someone who can blend well with another superstar. But when it comes down to the best in the playoffs, top ten guys seem to be the only ones who REALLY matter. Kyrie is a difference maker, he can win a playoff game by himself by scoring 50. But I really just see Hayward as a slight upgrade over Tatum/Brown, and will even slow down those 2 guys' development.

Now if the Celtics added a third guy, say Anthony Davis or Kawhi, watch out.
agreed IMO, both Brown and Tatum will end up being better than Hayward. There is nothing Hayward can do that Brown and Tatum can’t. Maybe send Hayward, Semi, Morris, and a draft pick for Kawhi.
 

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agreed IMO, both Brown and Tatum will end up being better than Hayward. There is nothing Hayward can do that Brown and Tatum can’t. Maybe send Hayward, Semi, Morris, and a draft pick for Kawhi.
Yeah I'd be willing to bet that in a few years Tatum is better than Hayward. And if your the Celtics: the Warriors are still gonna be unbeatable for the next few years and Lebron doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon. Hanging on to Tatum, waiting for those 2 things to die down, and then strike once Tatum/Jaylen (probably another great young guy or 2) are entering their primes, plus you still have a veteran Kyrie by then.
 
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For most of those of us who are old enough to have watched M.J.in his prime will always consider him the best of all time,the most clutch,fiercest competitor ever.Lebron,in my opinion is closing the gap,i love watching him play,his desire to win is right up there with Jordan.
 
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For most of those of us who are old enough to have watched M.J.in his prime will always consider him the best of all time,the most clutch,fiercest competitor ever.Lebron,in my opinion is closing the gap,i love watching him play,his desire to win is right up there with Jordan.
Larry Bird won't ever get in any discussions for best ever, but he was something else. A real shame his body didn't hold up. Fearless, and probably the best shooter ever, and maybe the best trash talker ever.
That was so funny the other night when Sir Charles talked about playing the Celtics when he was with Philly. They showed the video of a brawl. Bird was talking so much crap to Dr. J, and the rest of Philly's players, saying "ya'll better get that old man off me, he can't guard me." Charles said Bird had scored about 30 already, Dr J had finally had enough abuse. What makes this so funny to me is it was an exhibition.
 

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Larry Bird won't ever get in any discussions for best ever, but he was something else. A real shame his body didn't hold up. Fearless, and probably the best shooter ever, and maybe the best trash talker ever.
That was so funny the other night when Sir Charles talked about playing the Celtics when he was with Philly. They showed the video of a brawl. Bird was talking so much crap to Dr. J, and the rest of Philly's players, saying "ya'll better get that old man off me, he can't guard me." Charles said Bird had scored about 30 already, Dr J had finally had enough abuse. What makes this so funny to me is it was an exhibition.
Your right,Bird was amazing,my all time favorite...no one was more confident in his abilities.it's a real shame his back was so bad
 

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Given today's science and technology, Bird would have had a much longer career had he played today. I understand it was a different era back then, but guys now-a-days take MUCH better care of their bodies. I bet if Bird didn't drink so much beer, he could have played a little longer.
Let's say stories came out today about Lebron not taking care of his body, how hard would the media kill him?? Would he even still be alive??

A 100% healthy Bird still wouldn't be able to keep Lebron's fart in front of him though.
 
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Given today's science and technology, Bird would have had a much longer career had he played today. I understand it was a different era back then, but guys now-a-days take MUCH better care of their bodies. I bet if Bird didn't drink so much beer, he could have played a little longer.
Let's say stories came out today about Lebron not taking care of his body, how hard would the media kill him?? Would he even still be alive??

A 100% healthy Bird still wouldn't be able to keep Lebron's fart in front of him though.
Agree with your analysis, and the part about Bird not being able to keep his fart in front of him was cute.
But here's the kicker. Bird would have his way with him as well. Lebron would look at Bird and think the same thing all those past guys thought: this slow, not athletic white guy ain't got nothing for me. Ask Dominique, Clyde, Dr J, Xavier McDaniel.... how that worked out for them.
Then Lebron would really lose it once Bird started calling his shots before taking them, then talking more smack, which would probably get Lebron teed up.
Fun debate though
 

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Agree with your analysis, and the part about Bird not being able to keep his fart in front of him was cute.
But here's the kicker. Bird would have his way with him as well. Lebron would look at Bird and think the same thing all those past guys thought: this slow, not athletic white guy ain't got nothing for me. Ask Dominique, Clyde, Dr J, Xavier McDaniel.... how that worked out for them.
Then Lebron would really lose it once Bird started calling his shots before taking them, then talking more smack, which would probably get Lebron teed up.
Fun debate though
Sure. But Lebron isn't any of those guys mentioned. Lebron is Lebron lol. He has actually lost a step defensively these last few years (and somehow gotten better offensively), but peak Lebron (aged 25-30) was the best defender in the league when he needed to be. Peak Lebron would have been considered a different human-species in the 80's. Would have been fun to watch, the games I've watched and the stories I read make me believe I would have been a big Bird fan, I love trash talking and show-boating.
I do enjoy debating guys from different era's. Bill Russell won 11 titles in 13 years, he completely dominated as a center.....and he was Lebron's size. How good would Bill Russell be in 2018? Drop Kevin Durant in 1965 and does he average 80 points or 90 points?
 
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Raptors are becoming like the Braves of old..great regular seasons,choke in post season.another sweep by Cavs
90s Braves baseball would be James on the Cavs. Hence 1 single title and it was an upset

The current Toronto Raptors are the Atlanta Hawks of the mid 90s with Steve Smith, Mutombo, Blaylock etc. But where is equivalent of Zo's Heat, Reggie's Pacers or Shaq's Magic in the Eastern Conference today?
 

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90s Braves baseball would be James on the Cavs. Hence 1 single title and it was an upset

The current Toronto Raptors are the Atlanta Hawks of the mid 90s with Steve Smith, Mutombo, Blaylock etc. But where is equivalent of Zo's Heat, Reggie's Pacers or Shaq's Magic in the Eastern Conference today?
So the 90's Braves are considered the 2nd best team all-time with the possibility of becoming the best ever??
 

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Sure. But Lebron isn't any of those guys mentioned. Lebron is Lebron lol. He has actually lost a step defensively these last few years (and somehow gotten better offensively), but peak Lebron (aged 25-30) was the best defender in the league when he needed to be. Peak Lebron would have been considered a different human-species in the 80's. Would have been fun to watch, I wish I could have watched Bird in his prime.

I do enjoy debating guys from different era's. Bill Russell won 11 titles in 13 years, he completely dominated as a center.....and he was Lebron's size. How good would Bill Russell be in 2018? Drop Kevin Durant in 1965 and does he average 80 points or 90 points?
About impossible to say who's better, or how they would do then or now.
The game in 80's and 90's was physical. These guys now are really good, but wouldn't get away with getting to the basket then like they do now. Yeah Durant is awesome, but those guys would pound him like a rented drum if he was this size in the 80's/90's.
Bottom line is you play who's in front of you, and Lebron dominates in this era, as did Bird during his era.
 

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Big news out of Toronto........city council has voted unanimously to rename the city..LeBronto
I should have screen-shot it, but during the game yesterday, there was a few minutes where Toronto's Wikipedia page read............
Toronto officially the City of Toronto, is the capital of the Canadian province of Ontario. It is located within the Golden Horseshoe in Southern Ontario on the northern shore of Lake Ontario. With 2,731,571 residents in 2016, it is the largest city in Canada and fourth-largest city in North America by population. It is currently owned by Lebron James.

Whoever took that down, I don't like you.
 

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Moses Malone had about as dominant a season as I have ever seen a big man have the year he won the championship with Philly. He was scary that season.
 
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Y’all see those quotes from Semi’s mom saying coach K yelled at her before his transfer? The timing of their comments is interesting. It seems like a playing the victim situation after they disrespected the coaching staff, but who knows... She was clearly wanting her son to be considered before the program, which isn’t the way it works. I’m happy Semi got his shot and some good breaks in the NBA. I’m curious, where were these accusations before her son made it as a pro? How much of this story was exaggerated? I bet she really pissed off K and he got really “direct.”
 
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The whole Semi discussion is probably gonna be merging with the NBA playoff discussion in the next week or so. Considering if the Celtics advance, Semi will be one of the guys assigned the impossible task of guarding the best player in the world.

If I was Semi's parent, watching my son try to guard Lebron would probably make me cry too...
 

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Yeah I'd be willing to bet that in a few years Tatum is better than Hayward. And if your the Celtics: the Warriors are still gonna be unbeatable for the next few years and Lebron doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon. Hanging on to Tatum, waiting for those 2 things to die down, and then strike once Tatum/Jaylen (probably another great young guy or 2) are entering their primes, plus you still have a veteran Kyrie by then.
My concern with this "patient" approach you are advocating is that there is the strong possibility Boston ultimately blows up the way OKC did. Westbrook, Harden, and Durant all had high usage rates, couldn't all play on the court together, and had redundant skill sets despite playing 3 different positions. Ultimately, OKC realized they couldn't get the best of all 3 at the same time. Boston looks to have an even worse dilemma in that Hayward, Tatum, and Brown all play the same position, as well as playing aside a ball dominant PG.

In retrospect, OKC had 3 future MVPs on its team which is crazy. Boston may not even have one future MVP on its team so maybe they can learn to play together. Only egos will get in the way. But Golden State seems to have the only viable roadmap to a dynasty: otherworldly shooting, a guy who doesn't realize he's a superstar, an all-star who does the dirty work, a respected veteran 6th man, and 2 MVPs who don't mind sharing the load. I think the only way you beat this is by drafting the next Lebron James or Michael Jordan, and getting lucky along the way.

Let me also say this as a Heat fan, as long as I can remember, I have hated the Boston Celtics with every fiber of my body. But man, do I love this team they currently have. And they are so much more likeable than the Sixers who have the potential to be there step for step with the Celts. I hope they figure out how to get the most out of their roster. But I am afraid guys like Tatum and Brown will never reach their ceiling the way Harden and Westbrook did until they are THE MAN.
 

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It's awesome seeing what Jayson is doing. He is just tremendous. He has done everything he can to pick up the scoring slack for his team and it's just so cool to see.
 
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Sure. But if I'm the Spurs, I don't want Hayward for Kawhi. I want Tatum AND Brown, plus that Grizzlies pick the Celtics got in the Fultz/Tatum trade (will be a top 5 draft pick I believe next year? Hello RJ Barrett or Cam Reddish). They know the Celtics have a treasure chest full of wonderful assets, I want them all for Kawhi. I also don't even think I would do that trade if I'm the Celtics
Would anyone do that trade? I can’t think of any scenario any sane GM would even consider it.
 
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I wouldn’t if I’m the Celtics. That’s way too much. Especially for a guy who wants out and only has one year left on his deal. That’s why Hayward and Rozier, or Hayward Rozier and a pick might get it done.
Still wouldn’t do it.
 
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I love Jayson Tatum guys. I am so proud to wear his jersey. I need to get it signed, framed, and hang it up next to Amile Jefferson’s signed jersey (from the 2015 NCAA championship post game celebration).
 
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Raptors played their best game of the series with their best player not showing up,still looks like the brooms will be out next game...guess who hit the game winner at the buzzer??anyone??
 

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My concern with this "patient" approach you are advocating is that there is the strong possibility Boston ultimately blows up the way OKC did. Westbrook, Harden, and Durant all had high usage rates, couldn't all play on the court together, and had redundant skill sets despite playing 3 different positions. Ultimately, OKC realized they couldn't get the best of all 3 at the same time. Boston looks to have an even worse dilemma in that Hayward, Tatum, and Brown all play the same position, as well as playing aside a ball dominant PG.

In retrospect, OKC had 3 future MVPs on its team which is crazy. Boston may not even have one future MVP on its team so maybe they can learn to play together. Only egos will get in the way. But Golden State seems to have the only viable roadmap to a dynasty: otherworldly shooting, a guy who doesn't realize he's a superstar, an all-star who does the dirty work, a respected veteran 6th man, and 2 MVPs who don't mind sharing the load. I think the only way you beat this is by drafting the next Lebron James or Michael Jordan, and getting lucky along the way.

Let me also say this as a Heat fan, as long as I can remember, I have hated the Boston Celtics with every fiber of my body. But man, do I love this team they currently have. And they are so much more likeable than the Sixers who have the potential to be there step for step with the Celts. I hope they figure out how to get the most out of their roster. But I am afraid guys like Tatum and Brown will never reach their ceiling the way Harden and Westbrook did until they are THE MAN.
I still think Durant, Harden, and Westbrook would have worked out and equated to multiple titles. They traded Harden right after making the 2012 finals, all of those guys weren't even in their prime yet. Looking back at it, the Harden trade is one of the worst trades in NBA history. What is funny...at the time they made that trade, it was to avoid having to go into the luxury tax and paying an extra 5-10 million a year, without realizing the Salary Cap was about to jump...so idiotic.
 

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I've been reading this about some thoughts of Tatum being traded. Why in the world would the Celtics trade Tatum or Kyrie. With Gordon coming back and the chance of getting a top pick in the NBA sounds like Danny Ainge has it going. Oh yeah. The coach. Pretty sharp guy there. I don't think he's going anywhere. OFC
 

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I've been reading this about some thoughts of Tatum being traded. Why in the world would the Celtics trade Tatum or Kyrie. With Gordon coming back and the chance of getting a top pick in the NBA sounds like Danny Ainge has it going. Oh yeah. The coach. Pretty sharp guy there. I don't think he's going anywhere. OFC
They wouldn’t. What Tatum is doing right now is simply amazing.
 

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They wouldn’t. What Tatum is doing right now is simply amazing.
We may not like to consider it, but Kyrie might be available. Rozier looks good, they've got some draft picks coming up, and Kyrie is a huge question mark WRT availability in May or later.
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If Kyrie and Heyward could be turned into quality pieces (after NEXT year) I take the deal.
 

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We may not like to consider it, but Kyrie might be available. Rozier looks good, they've got some draft picks coming up, and Kyrie is a huge question mark WRT availability in May or later.
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If Kyrie and Heyward could be turned into quality pieces (after NEXT year) I take the deal.
I don’t like it but it’s hard to fight that logic.